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Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:57 pm

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Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:07 pm

5d is a smart camera, will be interesting to see what Canon rolls out.

Kevin Scott has gotten some cracking shots with his.


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RE: 5D II

Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:14 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Kevin Scott has gotten some cracking shots with his.

He sure has
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RE: 5D II

Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:36 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
5d is a smart camera

Of all the people, i never thought i'd ever see you saying anything positive about Canon  bigthumbsup 
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:30 pm

And here is the complete silhouette (level adjustment by a DPR member):

 
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:48 pm

 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:54 pm

interesting, I figured they would have based it on the 50d's sensor.
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:10 pm

Well, if it lives up to the specification (it probably will) the competition are going to have to work hard to match it.
But as sure as night follows day, they will, until the next model !
Let's face it, it is thanks to Canon and Nikon and their intense competition that digital photography has moved so far so quickly.
For internet use, these top of the range cameras are now, IMHO, way beyond the quality we need,. But will that stop them ?
I doubt it
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:20 pm



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 7):
For internet use, these top of the range cameras are now, IMHO, way beyond the quality we need,

For most other uses as well actually. I still remember the days (because they were not so long ago) that 6mp was the ultimate camera. And really when you dont blow your prints up to extremes it does just fine.

That doesnt mean 15 or 20mp opens up some new extreme possibilities Smile
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:22 pm

Exactly the same price as the Nikon D700.

Interesting ...
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:23 pm

it has a video option too I see
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:36 pm

I think the video option is pretty lame. I am sure some fanboys will chime in, but you are either serious about still or video, not both at the same time.

You need the right tool for the job, not a compromise.
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:39 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 9):
Exactly the same price as the Nikon D700.

Interesting ...

+ 9 megapixels
+ video mode
- 42 AF points

 Silly
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:47 pm



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 12):
+ 9 megapixels
+ video mode
- 42 AF points

Vidoe mode does not interest me at all.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
you are either serious about still or video, not both at the same time.

You need the right tool for the job, not a compromise.

I agree.

The D700 has 51 AF points.
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:52 pm

Viv! You and I agreed on something Big grin

I am off to buy lottery tickets!

It seems many of the threads I am reading about the 5DII is that the auto focus system hasn't been upgraded?
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:00 pm

Who needs 51 or 42 focus points, just the one has always served me well. AF speed is a different matter

Video doesnt interest me either, they should have spent that R&D money on something else

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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:16 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 15):
Who needs 51 or 42 focus points, just the one has always served me well. AF speed is a different matter

Awesome! Same as me, Center AF point, F/8, and be there.
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:23 pm

They also released the G10 today which looks like a great compact
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:40 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 13):
The D700 has 51 AF points.

That's because Nikon shooters are usually shaky people  Big grin
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:45 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 17):
They also released the G10 today which looks like a great compact

Tim, if it's anything like the G9 then it's gonna be a killer!! Saw it has the DIGIC 4, IS, RAW and 14.7 bad boy mega pixels!! Madness!!  Smile
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Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:04 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
That's because Nikon shooters are usually shaky people

Hell yeah we are!!!

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
1 is more then enough for me

I have found moving around the auto focus point to be very usefull when shooting in a studio with a shallow depth of field. It allows me to focus on closer objects not in the center of the frame. It depends on where I want the focus of the shot to be.

For aviation? 1 is plenty, but why limit myself to strictly airplane shots? Big grin
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:05 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
That's because Nikon shooters are usually shaky people  

Maybe if I laid off the beer, I might be steadier ...

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
iv! You and I agreed on something 

I am off to buy lottery tickets!

As long as I get my cut of your winnings lol.

Seriously, we don't always agree, but you know how to take a photo ...
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:15 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 21):
It allows me to focus on closer objects not in the center of the frame. It depends on where I want the focus of the shot to be.

Or you could just focus on the object, recompose, and then take the shot.
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 22):
Or you could just focus on the object, recompose, and then take the shot.

Yes, if I were an amatuer and wanted to waste my time and the model's too.  Wink
 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 22):
Or you could just focus on the object, recompose, and then take the shot.

That's what I do, find it much easier than switching between af points

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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:26 pm

Sure thing. When you are jacking around with menu settings and AF points I am taking pictures.

Go to www.archive.org and enter in http://www.royalkingent.net in the Way Back Machine.

Of course I had to give it all up to shoot airliners, but whatever.

Oh, you didn't know?

 
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:18 pm

I don't suppose anyone saw this yet:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/control...86&productID=249&articleTypeID=225

This, for me, is like watching porn. I wasnt too enthousiastic about the video either, but this is just amazing. Mine is on pre-order.

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Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:41 pm

I am not into video and HD is a bit out dated already, cheaper photo camera's are able to do full HD as we speak.
Expect my new 50D tomorrow Big grin
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RE: 5D II

Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:46 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 28):
cheaper photo camera's are able to do full HD as we speak.

True, but I suggest you take a look at the video. That is UNEDITED material there. An Emmy award nominated editor has judged its lowlight capabilities above certain $100K HD camera's. ISO 3200 is cleaner than ISO400 on a 1D2.

If its not your cup of tea, fair game, but this is opening up a whole new industry. More like Destined Revolution instead of Evolution.
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:20 pm



Quoting Wietse (Reply 29):
True, but I suggest you take a look at the video

I am trying to Wietse but the thingy takes a lot of time to load haha

Quoting Wietse (Reply 29):
More like Destined Revolution instead of Evolution.

Yes we are in a exciting episode.
I've seen material from a Casio(i think) which not only does Full HD but also super slomo at 1200 frames a second, amazing.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:19 am

Mmmm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
I think the video option is pretty lame. I am sure some fanboys will chime in, but you are either serious about still or video, not both at the same time.

After looking at Vincent LaForets Video(Mmm he is not a fanboy but a National Geographic photog) im thinking some peole will be eating there words about HD video in a DSLR.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:15 am



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 15):
Video doesnt interest me either, they should have spent that R&D money on something else

I'm sure few 5D users are very interested in it (so it surprised me to see it show up first on the 5D instead of the 50D), but really, once you have a camera that can do LiveView, saving the video image to the memory card is basically free. I predicted this about a year ago, not because there was any need for it, but because it was another feature to market.

I've also heard some scuttlebutt that amateur filmmakers are excited about it because the low light performance, and the low cost for a big video sensor that enables creative DOF control. It will do things even professional camcorders won't, even if it is harder to use for the purpose.

Quoting Wietse (Reply 27):
This, for me, is like watching porn. I wasnt too enthousiastic about the video either, but this is just amazing. Mine is on pre-order.

Keep in mind, they may not have done any editing, but they definitely set up professional lighting, and I'd almost wager money they had two guys operating the camera. I also wouldn't be surprised if Canon runs noise reduction and saturation in the video processing.
 
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:17 am

The video looks sleak but it was produced by someone who is clearly very gifted. Put a cheapcamcorder in the hands of someone like dante spinotti (a famous director of photography) and he'll produce something amazing.

For those who are into video and photography this is a good thing. Personally I wouldnt use it.

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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:16 am

this is in dutch but someone has managed to record video from a 40D

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/55847/twe...jkheid-canon-eos-40d-ontsluit.html
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:51 am

The video was shot by someone with no experience in videography. Only light he used was a modelling light, not even high powered.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:44 pm



Quoting Dehowie (Reply 31):
After looking at Vincent LaForets Video(Mmm he is not a fanboy but a National Geographic photog) im thinking some peole will be eating there words about HD video in a DSLR.

Vince LaForet is a great photographer but let's make no bones that he is 100% in the tank for Canon.

There was also not a lot of fast panning in that vid; let's see some quick movements and see if jellycam is really a problem.

IMO a SLR is terrible for handling as a video camera, the center of balance is off completely and SLR lenses lack the kind of precise focus/zoom controls that videographers demand. But for people who want to catch a quickie when no other option available it will get the job done.

If I was Canon, I would have put the R&D into something like the camera's viewfinder or the shutter lag/blackout times which are the worst of all of the affordable full frame cameras.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:32 pm

As Wietse said Vincent is a still photographer and if you read the blog borrowed the camera for a weekend to see what someone with very little experience could produce.
It seems lots of videographers are pretty pumped by its low light performance matching and exceeding the RED camera which is $25000USD.
Im thinking now what i could get with a 600 slung on the front of one.Never interested me in the past but now...
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:27 pm



Quoting Dehowie (Reply 37):
Im thinking now what i could get with a 600 slung on the front of one.Never interested me in the past but now...

..Which is what is so exciting about how the technology pushes the hobby. Who would have even considered this prior to seeing the demo? It is a shift; I was always against 'toasterphone' technology (thinking that you should do one thing well) but it is increasingly clear that the tech advances can really shift how we do things in several different areas...look at mobile for an example. Something like this may not be used by Michael Mann on his next shoot, but what about a photojournalist or war correspondant that gets some footage to complement the stills? Lots of potential.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:41 pm



Quoting Sulman (Reply 38):
Lots of potential.

potential but also some possible negative effects. professional photogs are already being replaced by "hybrid" journalist who write and do the photography. It's not necessarily a bad development but I can see some knowledge being lost as well in the process. It's a popular issue of debate in the intellectual community, the future of journalism. What's certain is that it's very different than it was 10-15 years ago.

Guess that for us amateurs it all comes down to personal preference. have to say I would like to try coupling my 300 2.8 to a 5d II to see what the results are but dont think I'll see myself using it anytime soon. Although I said that once too about the Iphone and I just got one Wink so who knows

If anything it will improve on the crappy videos we now see on the web although hosting HD material will be problematic.


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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:50 pm

Agreed. My old man was a Fleet street veteran whose discipline ranged from reporting (early days) to editing; and the era of the 'production editor' is now fully entrenched. It is all change, for good and for bad.
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RE: 5D II

Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:39 pm



Quoting Dehowie (Reply 37):
As Wietse said Vincent is a still photographer and if you read the blog borrowed the camera for a weekend to see what someone with very little experience could produce.

But watch the credits...lighting contractors, multiple camera crew, etc. I'm pretty sure there was one guy running the camera and one guy running the lens a lot of the time (focus puller). He may not be a film maker, but he knows exposure. There was clearly time and thought put into the filming.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 33):
The video looks sleak but it was produced by someone who is clearly very gifted. Put a cheapcamcorder in the hands of someone like dante spinotti (a famous director of photography) and he'll produce something amazing.

Now it's going to sound like I'm flip-flopping because while in general I very much agree, any videographer works within the limitations of their gear. I won't fall down praising the video capability based solely on this video, but the balance of ambient and foreground light in some of those shots was probably unachievable without high ISO, the color tones were remarkably smooth, and how many camcorders have you seen with good bokeh or fisheye lenses?

Of course, anybody who makes films for a living will invest in a real camera, but that's a tiny fraction of the number of people who want better video.

Not to mention, I bet users who hang out both here and at flightlevel350 will be doubly intrigued by the 5d II and the D90.
 
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RE: 5D II

Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:57 am

Lots of people up in arms already over the fact that it carries the same AF as the original 5D, which from what I have heard was decent. I dont think that Canon really had a better option however since the 1DIII has a seriously flawed AF system, maybe they havent figured it out yet. I just hope the 5D II has the cross-type AF system (which there have been discrepancies from preview site to preview site on this aspect as well). Time will tell I guess. I wouldnt be surprised to see a FF, 15mp, 5-7fps 3D or 7D announced as well as a new 1D mk IV with a vastly improved AF system during the first half of '09.

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RE: 5D II

Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:13 am



Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 42):
Canon really had a better option however since the 1DIII has a seriously flawed AF

That's what I keep hearing, but I haven't had one single problem with the auto focus on mine after 15,000 shots. I believe the problems were sorted out and now proves to be a top notch AF system. My 1D III was a blue dot, and I believe the problem were only with the early batches.

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