Lexy
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Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:29 am

http://www.flickr.com/photos/flynonstop/

Mostly all Air France stuff, but there is some other shots on there that are clearly not taken by this person. They have also gone to the trouble of removing the copyright bar. This just baffles me why the watermark disappears for those that are members. That watermark should stay on the picture regardless of your member or financial status on this site. This is further proof of it!

Either way, you can contact Flickr control and advise them of Copyright infringements, or contact this person directly via their profile page. As we know, ANet holds no responsibility to contact anyone on your behalf.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:42 am

I agree with you that this website is holding pics that their photographers or themselves didn't take. However, I don't know whether they are from A.net or not. If you are satisfied that they are, you can send an email to Airliners.net's manager, and they will take care of it.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:20 am

their account needs to be delated and the photos returned to their rightfull owner. on serveral you can see the a.net watermark like the one of the 777 at IAH at night. will be informing the people at flickr and the administrors of a.net about the incident
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:33 am

Hi community,

Quoting 76794p (Reply 2):
their account needs to be delated and the photos returned to their rightfull owner.

Absolutly correct!
Keep in mind though that it's most likely that this person has created a Fake Profile because if anyone has the nurve to steel pictures off a World-Wide aviation site, a.net, then their going to make sure they themselves are not known to the public; and if they wish to be known, it will be done under a fake identification.
The part that really gets me is that they don't care.  cry  They don't care to respect the photographers effort that was put into the picture and that is really disapointing...!!!
and if that's not enough, this surly isn't the first time that something like this has happened.

Quoting Lexy (Thread starter):
They have also gone to the trouble of removing the copyright bar. This just baffles me why the watermark disappears for those that are members. That watermark should stay on the picture regardless of your member or financial status on this site.

????????????

How in the world could they remove a water mark from a picture if the watermark is part of the picture. I am assuming they did alot of editing to remove that watermark which tells you that they have this whole deal planned out and in conclusion; would have probably made themselves a fake profile.
Keep in mind, they know what they are doing is wrong (otherwise why remove the watermark) so they have probably covered their tracks.  down  not likely to catch them; and that initself, is the real problem here!!!!!!!!!!

Really deleting the account won't really change anything because this person will just keep on what they are doing;

HOWEVER, is there maybe a way to track this guy if he has a fake profile. maybe his IP address???

Anyway,
Steeling photo's is just shamefull. All the work the photographer put in to making the picture presentable for a.net is all for nothing and all a waste of the effort.

You would think that a cpoyright watermark attached to a picture will stop that kind of theif BUT i guess not...  Angry

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:38 am



Quoting 76794p (Reply 2):
and the photos returned to their rightfull owner

Errrr.... it's not like a stolen car, is it?  Wink

Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 3):
ow in the world could they remove a water mark from a picture if the watermark is part of the picture. I am assuming they did alot of editing to remove that watermar

Guess you're quite new to A.net, so if you browse through the database and look at watermarked shots you will notice that 80 percent of the watermarks can be removed in Photoshop within two minutes.

Most photographers even CHOOSE to have the watermarks on the photos without positioning it across the aircraft  banghead 
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:55 am



Quoting INNflight (Reply 4):
Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 3):
ow in the world could they remove a water mark from a picture if the watermark is part of the picture. I am assuming they did alot of editing to remove that watermar

Guess you're quite new to A.net, so if you browse through the database and look at watermarked shots you will notice that 80 percent of the watermarks can be removed in Photoshop within two minutes.

Most photographers even CHOOSE to have the watermarks on the photos without positioning it across the aircraft

The bigger problem is that for only $5, anyone can browse the database and take all the photos they want, watermark-free regardless of whether or not the photographers chose to watermark their photos.  banghead   banghead 
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:16 am



Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
The bigger problem is that for only $5, anyone can browse the database and take all the photos they want, watermark-free regardless of whether or not the photographers chose to watermark their photos.

Many of us have been complaining about that for several years now (as you know) and we've never been given an answer (that I've seen) that makes any sense to us as photographers. How our work is still protected after someone spends a minimum of $5 I'll never understand! It is not rocket science to figure out how to chop a measly little copyright bar off of the bottom of a photo.

I'm also still wondering why I can't go back and add watermarks to my old photos that have been in the database since the pre-watermark days without needing to go through the hassle of re-uploading the photos?!?

This option has been available on "other" sites for several years now and I would expect the DM coding team to be able to figure this out without issue...but...years later...here we are.


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Lexy
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:14 pm



Quoting Mattbna (Reply 6):
Many of us have been complaining about that for several years now (as you know) and we've never been given an answer (that I've seen) that makes any sense to us as photographers. How our work is still protected after someone spends a minimum of $5 I'll never understand! It is not rocket science to figure out how to chop a measly little copyright bar off of the bottom of a photo.

Matt has been a proponent of this for some time now and I agree with him, there really has been increadible silence from the DM crew about the issue. And it is an issue for the record.

Quoting Mattbna (Reply 6):
I'm also still wondering why I can't go back and add watermarks to my old photos that have been in the database since the pre-watermark days without needing to go through the hassle of re-uploading the photos?!?

Again, another thing that baffles me completely here as well. All of my photos on here are "recent", but I would love to have that option available to me just in case.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
The bigger problem is that for only $5, anyone can browse the database and take all the photos they want, watermark-free regardless of whether or not the photographers chose to watermark their photos.

Precisely! That's my original point right there.
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:30 pm



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 3):
if they wish to be known, it will be done under a fake identification

Say what? Shades of the Third Policeman ...
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:04 pm

HI,  wave 

Quoting Viv (Reply 8):
Say what? Shades of the Third Policeman ...

What I mean is that they probably have a Flickr account with fake information so no-one really can know who this guy is! Steeling the effort and quality and claiming it as his own and gettting the credit.  Angry

Quoting INNflight (Reply 4):
Guess you're quite new to A.net,

Ya, I am!  cheerful 

Quoting INNflight (Reply 4):
o if you browse through the database and look at watermarked shots you will notice that 80 percent of the watermarks can be removed in Photoshop within two minutes.

I did not know that. I guess that really isn't a great tip for improving your photos but certainly explains my uncertainties as  cry  to how a person could remove a watermark from pictures and outright steel pictures and claim them as their own.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:22 pm



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 9):
remove a watermark from pictures and outright steel pictures

It is VERY difficult to remove a watermark from steel pictures ...
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 pm



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 9):
I did not know that. I guess that really isn't a great tip for improving your photos but certainly explains my uncertainties as to how a person could remove a watermark from pictures and outright steel pictures and claim them as their own.

If you read what some of us have posted above, there is no need to remove watermarks from any photos! It just takes a $5 First Class subscription, and the watermarks are nonexistent!
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:34 pm

The only real "problem" I see here in your example Lexy is that the flickr user did not attribute the photo - took off the copyright bar. Under the creative commons license you CAN re-distribute photos but you have to attribute them, in other words, acknowledge the original photographer. He could keep them there, as long as he puts the Photographers name and what would be even better is a link to the a.net photo. I looked all over the place and cannot find the name of the photographer on his pics.

the a.net watermark would not be sufficient. It does not attribute to any specific photographer, just airliners.net. that is why the watermark is useless.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:00 pm



Quoting Bruce (Reply 12):
The only real "problem" I see here in your example Lexy is that the flickr user did not attribute the photo - took off the copyright bar. Under the creative commons license you CAN re-distribute photos but you have to attribute them, in other words, acknowledge the original photographer. He could keep them there, as long as he puts the Photographers name and what would be even better is a link to the a.net photo. I looked all over the place and cannot find the name of the photographer on his pics.

True. Had they given credit to the original photographer, then this wouldn't be an issue of course. Good point!
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:27 pm



Quoting Bruce (Reply 12):
the a.net watermark would not be sufficient. It does not attribute to any specific photographer, just airliners.net. that is why the watermark is useless.

A better Idea would be to have a watermark with the photographers name instead of just A.net. And of course, remove that function of the first class membership in that:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):
It just takes a $5 First Class subscription, and the watermarks are nonexistent!

this type of feature should NOT exist. But i guess it does.  Confused

I guess this is just that type of problem that really has no solution.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:49 pm



Quoting Bruce (Reply 12):
Under the creative commons license you CAN re-distribute photos but you have to attribute them, in other words, acknowledge the original photographer. He could keep them there, as long as he puts the Photographers name and what would be even better is a link to the a.net photo.

Hey hang on. You can only redistribute photos if the COPYRIGHT HOLDER has made them available under a Creative Commons licence. You cannot make other people's photos available without their permission if they are under a normal copyright, like all photos are on a.net.
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:03 pm



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 15):
You can only redistribute photos if the COPYRIGHT HOLDER has made them available under a Creative Commons licence.



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 15):
Creative Commons licence.

 Confused
Can you elaborate on this license...?
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:46 pm

Hi all, this guy is just randomly downloading images from the web, 99% of the photos are not his or hers. This has to stop. I really started to wonder if is worth it nowadays to upload shots to the web, I think not with this kind of people, I think now is better to just print your shots and hang them in your room that is it. This is really a shame.

Good thread Gliderpilot thanks for warning these.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:50 pm



Quoting Bruce (Reply 12):
Under the creative commons license you CAN re-distribute photos but you have to attribute them, in other words, acknowledge the original photographer.

VERY VERY important to point out that he only can redistribute the photos IF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO DO SO.

Creative Commons usually only apply if the copyright holder wants that. If not, the photographer can just stick to "all rights reserved" and even creative commons distribution (which only grew big thanks to imageshack and flickr etc anyways...) is not allowed then.
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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:49 pm



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 16):
Can you elaborate on this license...?

Creative commons is an option used by websites such as Flickr whereby photographers can allow their photos to be freely distributed if they so prefer. Wikipedia has something similar called Wikimedia Commons. Personally speaking I wouldn't touch either one with a bargepole.

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RE: Stolen ANet Photos Found On Flickr Again!

Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:45 am



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 19):
Creative commons is an option used by websites such as Flickr whereby photographers can allow their photos to be freely distributed if they so prefer.

Good to know, thanks for the information

Regards

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