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Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:07 am

Following on from Post- Screening Thread #1 (help after rejection) we would appreciate that the topic continue in this thread.

Should you seek another opinion or advice in relation to a rejection we ask that you use this thread, after a full review of notification from the screening team. Other photographers and members are encouraged to assist those who post and are new to the site.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:34 pm

Posted on the other topic, but never got a reply. So here goes again!

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081022_Maintenance.jpg
Reject reason: category oversharpened

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081022_172SPFinals.jpg
Reject reason: quality centered category dark

I understand everything on both of these, except category. What would be the owner/operator for these two photos? Also, since the Maintenance plane isn't actually legal to fly anymore, does it require anything special? Thanks for the help guys!
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:16 pm

Category: did you tick PROP?
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:33 pm

Hi again:
I got this shot rejected by dark. Someone really thinks that this picture is dark and does not meet the standards.


Big version: Width: 1486 Height: 1003 File size: 567kb





On this occasion I think the screener has sought a very poor reason to reject this picture.

I'd like the opinion of other Screeners and also help to improve the picture..

Regards
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:10 pm



Quoting Bustin (Reply 3):
I got this shot rejected by dark. Someone really thinks that this picture is dark and does not meet the standards.

I would have to agree with the Screeners on this one, the plane does seem a bit dark to me. I think it might be because the shadow that is on the near side of the aircraft.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:37 pm

Yes dark and backlit...correctly rejected. I'd give it up since the light is just not nice no matter what you do with it
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:00 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 5):
backlit...

. What is for you backlit?.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 5):
the light is just not nice

. This is a new acceptation rules?

I can make sure that only the photos uploaded today you can find photos accepted more dark.

Is possible improved the picture or you no accept pictures with the shadow on next side of the aircraft.

Of course, thanks for you reply.

Regards

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:34 pm

Hello.
This was rejected for level.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...081023_5B-DBV_738_ECA_101008_8.jpg
The red-white poles in the background seem to be not strait but alle the buildings appear level to me. What are your views?

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:19 pm

Georg,

Looks like it needs CCW rotation. The overall image has an unlevel feel to it. The buildings are short making it a bit more dificult to use are a refrence.

Cheers,

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:52 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 2):
Category: did you tick PROP?

I thought i picked Prop. It should still be categorized as private right?
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:33 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 8):

Thanks! Probably will try to fix it.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:45 pm



Quoting Bustin (Reply 3):

Agree, i think the screeners did get it wrong, the light seems perfect to me, id appeal it,steve
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:00 am

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081023_JetBlueFinal.jpg
Just got that one rejected also.. Reject reason: colour personal soft. Color im not sure on, any suggestions. Personal/Soft were related.. "needs selective sharpening". Any suggestions on where those spots would be?
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:50 am

I had this one rejected for "centered":

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._20081015_IMG_11820_WVB_1200px.jpg

I had centered it with the center of the afterburner section in the middle of the picture, which gives indeed an assymetric feeling, looking at the speed brakes...

Should I center it (i.e. horizontally) such that the speed brakes show a more symmetric view (but then having the afterburner center "out-of-center")?

What do you think?

Thanks and regards,

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:38 pm

I think so yes. What's more it looks like you didn't take the phto directly in the center of the engine but a little bit to the left.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:59 pm

Coxmaster, I would sharpen the plane, excluding thin parts like horizontal stabilizer, cockpit window, door edges and small text/numbers.
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:16 pm

Unforunately looks to me like it was soft from the start and looks level also. And there appers to be heat-haze.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:16 pm

Hi everyone,
I knew when uploading that this was risky, but I went on with it because of the two special liveries in the same frame, as well as the first of this a/c in this location (probably one of the very few of AC from here too).
Is there any way this could be saved?? Rejected for quality and distance (I think it cropping it dowb nore

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ions/big/20081020_CFCAE_5edit2.jpg

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:36 pm

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081024_EI_DEK_MAN_19_10_2008.jpg
Dark and oversharpened...  mad 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:57 pm



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 18):
Dark and oversharpened...

tad dark but oversharpening ver apparent on the small titles
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting Coxmaster (Reply 12):
Just got that one rejected also.. Reject reason: colour personal soft. Color im not sure on, any suggestions. Personal/Soft were related.. "needs selective sharpening". Any suggestions on where those spots would be?

Josh,

Looks like you could use a kick of sharpening. I think parts (engine cowling, nose, wingtip) are on the edge of being oversharp. Don't go crazy with the sharpening but just hit the fuselage and tail.

Color? See below.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 743 File size: 342kb


If you get that yellowish tint out of there the white will really pop out.

Looks like some minor issues that you can easily fix and have a great shot in the db.

Cheers,

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:22 am



I think i got the color fixed, and i sharpened everything that looked like it needed it. Thoughts?
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:38 pm



Quoting Coxmaster (Reply 21):
think i got the color fixed, and i sharpened everything that looked like it needed it. Thoughts?

I can totally see the difference. great job.

One Issue to bring to your attention though (you may already realize it)
the background is unbalanced. There is too much tarmac and not enough sky. The aircraft is the seperation point between the tarmac and the blue sky. There is way too much grey tarmac and very little blue sky; bad unbalance. Try a crop to balance out the amount of tarmac to the amount of sky so everything looks balanced.

Other than that, great picture. Really think it's going to be a part of this web-site soon hopefully.
So all i can see is the balancing problem (that can be fixed by croping), so ther than that, lets get that picture on a.net.

Regards

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:44 am

Thanks for the tip. I changed it a bit and uploaded this morning. Hopefully it'll make it. Still waiting on some feedback from my first two pics in the thread though lol.

Quoting Coxmaster (Reply 1):

All the way up in reply 1!
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:09 am



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 14):
I think so yes. What's more it looks like you didn't take the phto directly in the center of the engine but a little bit to the left.

Thanks for the feedback!

I had another rejection yesterday:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...81015_IMG_11813_WVB_1200px_vs2.jpg

rejected for quality, motiv, contrast and personal. I did not get the rejection e-mail, which I regret, since I am always interested to read what the screeners think and the advice they give!

I know it is not the best quality (the shot was taken in the rather dark maintenance hangar and time was limited...).

Thanks for any feedback!

Best regards,

Walter
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:01 pm

This photo was rejected for motiv and level.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...tions/big/20081026_IMG_6161_1b.jpg

What is wrong and how i can correct this?

Thanks
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:37 pm



Quoting Bustin (Reply 3):
I got this shot rejected by dark.

It is dark, as in backlit.
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:38 pm



Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
What are your views?

Needs CCW rotation.
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:41 pm



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 18):
Dark and oversharpened...

Certainly oversharpened - just look at the registration.
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:41 pm



This one (taken oct. 10th) is rejected twice for "motiv" and "double". First time more than a week ago. Second time today, after an appeal. I have to accept the "motive" reason. But "double" i don't understand.

There are 6 photo's of the plane available in the database:PH-BXZ. One is mine (nightshot, ID: 1402584), taken in another month, entire plane.

Can somebody help me to understand the "double" rejection ?

[Edited 2008-10-26 15:43:10]
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:34 pm



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 24):
I did not get the rejection e-mail, which I regret, since I am always interested to read what the screeners think and the advice they give!

I have now received the rejection e-mail, with the personal note from the screener. I am glad that I finally got the mail so that I could read the reasoning of the screener(s) for the rejection. It was the big black hose above the aircraft that was too distracting... so, that's the reason for the motiv rejection. According to me, it was not distracting at all, knowing that we were in the maintenance area (while I was looking for a shot from an angle with a minimum of civilians recognisable on the picture (to avoid a motiv rejection  Smile), otherwise I would not have uploaded the shot, but I accept the rejection.

I also want to repeat here that I appreciate the effort of the screener for explaning the rejection with a personal note!! Much appreciated, even if it a rejection!

Best regards,

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:48 pm

Hey all...Just had this one rejected for bad double

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...1028_DC3_AA_Parked_LGA_MS_0160.jpg

and the reason was that I have this one in the queue....

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../DC3_AA_Rear_Tower_LGA_MS_0078.jpg

I realize they were on the same day, but they arent really anything alike. The one rejected is the more "artsy" one, but we wont even go there.....

Opinions? Thanks in advance!
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:12 pm

Rejected for motive and grain...

Motive- eh, maybe, but I've seen similar shots on the site.

Grain- can this be fixed if I simply reduce the image size?

I though maybe the fact I gained somewhat restricted access to get this shot might have given me some benefit, but I guess not....

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../big/20081028_DSC_7188_tbirdx1.jpg

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:00 pm



Quoting AA 777 (Reply 31):
Opinions? Thanks in advance!

Two great shots, although I prefer the one with the tower in it.
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:02 pm

The crop is awkward - a wider lens would have done the job nicely.
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:14 pm



Quoting Nikog (Reply 25):
What is wrong and how i can correct this?

The band containing the airport is too narrow, relative to the foreground. The big lamp poles are distracting, and you'd better include the whole terminal building instead of all the aircraft.

Get up higher...

Quoting AA 777 (Reply 31):
I realize they were on the same day, but they arent really anything alike. The one rejected is the more "artsy" one, but we wont even go there.....

Opinions? Thanks in advance!

Those are the rules... they're alike in a.net terms.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:23 pm



Quoting CaptainStefan (Reply 32):
Motive- eh, maybe, but I've seen similar shots on the site.

Grain- can this be fixed if I simply reduce the image size?

Reducing the size will improve the quality and grain.

The group of people half way down the line really kills the motive. They really detract form the shot and draw your attention away from the line-up.

Hope this helps clarify everything.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:28 pm



Quoting AA 777 (Reply 31):
realize they were on the same day, but they arent really anything alike. The one rejected is the more "artsy" one, but we wont even go there.....

Motive wise they are very similar. Both shots feature the control tower. Both shots feature the same side of the aircraft. Both shots are at an angle from the rear of the aircraft.

Typically the first shot uploaded is kept and subsequent shots are rejected. (Bad) Luck of the draw.

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:25 pm

Hi All,

I need help with a rejection that I definately can't understand. Maybe a screener
can help in this thread.

This one has been rejected with the reason "centered":

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536908993&filename=phpzvvSEO.jpg

All my other pictures which were centered in the same way have been accepted:
For example:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-B...C_&prev_id=1282015&next_id=1230034

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-B...C_&prev_id=1400593&next_id=1336999


I appeald without succes... What is the problem?

Thanks!

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:53 pm

Hi all:
I have this picture rejected with colour reason.
I want improve and re-upload but I would like some help to improved the colour.

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 865 File size: 354kb


Regards

Bustin
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:17 pm

It was stupid to open another thread just for this, so I'll ask here: how long does it normally take for an appeal to be screened? I have used it once or twice in the past and it took a few hour, but I have a shot appealed for nearly three days now and it's still there. Is this normal or is there maybe a problem and I should resubmit the appeal?
thanks and sorry to bump into the thread like this  Smile
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:41 pm

My appeal (reply 29) took +/- one day.

Today I received a rejection with a note from the screener. This note made it so much easier for me to accept and to change the picture accordingly.
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:48 am



Quoting Points (Reply 41):
My appeal (reply 29) took +/- one day.

Today I received a rejection with a note from the screener. This note made it so much easier for me to accept and to change the picture accordingly.

Finally it got screened  Smile but rejected and with no personal note  Sad

So, what can I do to correct this? The rejection reason is colour, but those were the colours that day due to a mix of fog and sunset. I guess through editing some other tone could be given, but that would not be reality ...
I guess it's a keeper for my personal collection (and other sites maybe)?

(due to the bug, I can't post the picture full size since I am not on my home computer now. I needed I can post it later, but this small version shows more or less the colours ... )



all opinions are welcome  Smile
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:46 am

Hi all,

This post is not in anger, just would like to share a little of my disappointment to have this photo rejected:


The screener was so kind to apply a personal message, helping me understand and accept the rejection [poor contrast, soft]. The screener encouraged me to improve the post processing and re-upload. So I did.

Now it was rejected by the headscreener for baddouble . . . probably because I already have this photo in the database:

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Photo © Harm Rutten



These photo's were taken within seconds of each other. I do understand that usually this qualifies as baddouble, but I felt that in this case it should not have been a problem since this particular airplane had not been flying for five years, and the the lighting and atmosphere in the photo's is completely different, not to mention the different angles.

I was really looking forward to share this photo with my fellow aviation enthousiasts. Five years after Concorde's last flight seemed to be a nice opportunity to upload, I guess I'll have to wait another five years now . . .

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:37 am

Hy everyone

I need some help with these pictures:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081030_XV101.jpg

Reason: colour personal ?????? It's the second time I upload thisone, and at the first time, the ONLY problem what the framing..!!!! Whats wrong ??

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20081030_PH-HZN.jpg

Reason: overexposed contrast

NOTE: Please, click on the pictures, because they where shrinked to fit the forum

Thanks for looking
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:23 am



Quoting PW100 (Reply 43):
Hi all,

for what its worth, my unexperienced opinion is that the rejection for double is wrong. Although they were both taken within seconds from eachother, they show different angles as well as different colours and effects. It's a shame it was not accepted.  Smile



Anyone care to reply to my shot in reply 42? thanks

ps: not intending to create controversy. but If all rejection questions should be posted into this thread alone, why does it take so long to see replies? again, no fight search here, just an honest question. Maybe the policy of only showing rejections here could be changed?

rgds  Smile
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:43 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):
for what its worth, my unexperienced opinion is that the rejection for double is wrong.

This type of situation is clearly layed out int he rules. "Please do not upload multiple sequential shots of an aircraft during landing, taxiing or take-off, taken only a few seconds apart. Even though these photos may appear to be from different angles, we consider them similar. Please select the best shot from the sequence and upload only that one"

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):
Anyone care to reply to my shot in reply 42? thanks

It makes it hard to form a reply when all we have to look at is a thumbnail. Post a larger version and advice / help would be easier to come by.

Cheers,

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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:40 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 46):
This type of situation is clearly layed out int he rules. "Please do not upload multiple sequential shots of an aircraft during landing, taxiing or take-off, taken only a few seconds apart. Even though these photos may appear to be from different angles, we consider them similar. Please select the best shot from the sequence and upload only that one"

I understand, but in a case like that IMO (and it's just an opinion, no intent to change rules or pick up fights .. I had the creative thread for that  Wink ), given that the aircraft doesn't fly any more and that even the colours changed completely, i would, as a viewer, loved to see both shots in the db. it's kind of like bending the rules for shots taken at unusual places, but applied to this sequential shot. But as I mentioned, it's just a persoal opinion  Smile

Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 46):
It makes it hard to form a reply when all we have to look at is a thumbnail. Post a larger version and advice / help would be easier to come by.

Thanks Erick, unfortunately I had a problem with my home pc and I am using the one at work, and appealed pictures don't show up in the photographers' corner so I can't post the original. Would it be ok if if I post a link to a Spanish website where the picture is on their db?

thanks and rgds
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:36 pm

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ections/big/20081031_T6_5989_1.jpg

Reject reason: quality, info, contrast, personal, category, oversharpened

I know what was wrong with the info, I forgot 2 numbers from the tail number. The part that confuses me is that the photo made it past the first screening, and on the second screening it had 6 rejection reasons. Any tips to fix these, other then the right tail number...
 
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RE: Post - Screening Thread Part 2

Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:07 pm



Quoting Cptkilroy (Reply 48):
Any tips to fix these, other then the right tail number...

I'll start off with the good news. The white balance looks great. Airport lights can be crappy at best.

Oversharpening: There are some trouble spots. 1) look at the leading edge of the wing on first 2 airplanes. 2) Look at the tansition from white to black on the upper front of the fuselage. 3) Look at the red cheat lines. 4) Look at the rudder and top of verticle stab. 5) (I'm hesitant on this point because it's probably the first place jaggies appear) The canopy.

I'm not going to give false advice on contrast. I'm on a crappy monitor at work. I would only be taking a wild guess at the contrast or quality.

Quoting Cptkilroy (Reply 48):
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I only see 5.  Wink Number 6 is a personal message and not really a "reason".

Cheers,

Erick

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