calfo
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Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:39 pm

So. I'm looking at the Canon 70-200mm lens.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM - $1849
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM - $1319
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM - $1199

Which one is the best for the money?

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:08 pm

Depends, what do you want to shoot with it?

Besides, don't forget the f/4 non IS
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
Besides, don't forget the f/4 non IS

http://www.vistek.ca/store/CameraLen...m-f4l-usm-telephoto-zoom-lens.aspx

Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
Depends, what do you want to shoot with it?

Does that really matter?
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:20 pm



Quoting Calfo (Reply 2):
Does that really matter?

Yes it really does.

If you're going to be shooting aviation on bright sunny days with short shutter speeds, then all you need is the F4 USM.

If you're going to do panning shots on bright sunny days, you only need the F4 IS USM.

And, lastly, if you want to shoot in darker conditions or rainy weather, than the F2.8 IS USM will be the one to buy for the larger aperture in lower light.

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:27 pm

Well, it would be to shoot everything basically. Bright sunny weather, rainy, dark, night, and everything else you can think of.

I currently have the 70-300mm F4-5.6 USM. I'm looking for something high quality.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:37 pm



Quoting Calfo (Reply 2):
http://www.vistek.ca/store/CameraLen...m-f4l-usm-telephoto-zoom-lens.aspx

That's the IS lens, I'm talking about this one

http://www.vistek.ca/store/CameraLen...-f40l-usm-telephoto-zoom-lens.aspx

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):

And, lastly, if you want to shoot in darker conditions or rainy weather, than the F2.8 IS USM will be the one to buy for the larger aperture in lower light.

Or if you use it for other things where you would like a small DOF.....
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Another question.

The difference between IS and non IS?
Shooting at
1/1000
1/500
1/20
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting Calfo (Reply 6):
The difference between IS and non IS?
Shooting at
1/1000
1/500
1/20

Depends on a TON of factors, including hand steadyness.

For some people 1/20 shots panning can be done hand-held, but that number is very few.

1/1000, bright enough obviously to not need IS
1/500 bright enough to not even need IS

For 1/200ish and below there are WAAAY to many factors to determine how IS would help.
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:07 pm

Calfo,

I do not want to sound condescending, but perhaps you should investigate more before you do such a purchase. Read about what IS does and when it is helpful, and when it isn't. Read about aperture, the differences between a f/4 and f/2.8 lens and most important of all, think what you really want and see how the choices above fit that. If you have us pick a lens for the 'best value' you are bound to be disappointed, and that with a very expensive piece of glass.

just my 2 cents
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:15 am

I have the 2.8 IS and its amazing, works great on the 5D. I can shoot in any light at ISO 400 with no grain.... I have done a few weddings and about 95+ pics are amazing. If you have the cash, get the best... you will not regret.... I use my camera about 25% aviation and 75% other... so go with what you do best...

Might I add, the 100-400 is the best aviation lens.... so choose the L glass for your needs not your wants,

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:40 pm

Today I ordered a 70-200 F4 L and can't wait for it to arrive Big grin Will report back once I've tried it out! Big grin
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 10):
Today I ordered a 70-200 F4 L

Well, I just ordered my 70-200mm F4L IS yesterday!!
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:26 pm



Quoting Calfo (Reply 11):
Well, I just ordered my 70-200mm F4L IS yesterday!!

Brilliant, you'll have to let us know how you get on with yours  Smile
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:20 am



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 12):
Brilliant, you'll have to let us know how you get on with yours Smile

I sure will!
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:32 am

I'd say the Sigma 70-200 f2.8.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:13 am

I never understood how anetters used F2.8 and to take a/c pics and get the whole a/c in focus.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:05 am



Quoting JeffM (Reply 14):

I was going to buy that for my Minolta, but changed my mind after reading several reviews, particularly dpreviews that said this about the Canon one "We can't recommend this lens to anyone".
So I was going to buy a Sony SAL70200G, and that lens was $400 more expensive than the Canon 70-200L 2.8 IS, so I decided to change system and got a 50D as well.

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 15):

It's not so hard as the blurring is not that apparent on a longer distance. I have shot aircraft with my 50mm 1.4 that have the entire aircraft in focus.
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:55 am



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 15):
I never understood how anetters used F2.8 and to take a/c pics and get the whole a/c in focus.

You need to learn about depth of field and the things that effect it.

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 16):
I was going to buy that for my Minolta, but changed my mind after reading several reviews, particularly dpreviews that said this about the Canon one "We can't recommend this lens to anyone".

Too bad, I've owned one for Nikon and one for Canon and both have been absolutely fantastic lenses. Guess that goes to show you dprieview isn't always right or accurate.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:49 pm



Quoting JeffM (Reply 17):
Guess that goes to show you dprieview isn't always right or accurate.

Or maybe Sigma's infamous quality assurance (i.e. lack of) hit again and the dpreview guys got a really bad copy...

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:07 pm



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 15):

Good point. I remember shooting f4.5 at CDG one time and the pics all came out a bit out of focus in one part or another. Does it depend what angel you are shooting the plane at? If it's a 90 degrees to the plane
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shot I guess it's a lot easier to get it all in focus at f2.8. For a shot like this
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where there is a bigger depth of field I guess it's much harder (maybe impossible?) to get it all in focus at f2.8.

Anyone have any examples shot at f2.8 on here?

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:39 pm



Quoting JeffM (Reply 17):
You need to learn about depth of field and the things that effect it.

Well, I was precisely talking about it. Have you taken any full shots of a/c's at F2.8 and if so can you post an example of it?
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:37 pm

I have a couple I have shot at 1.4 "on the other side", early morning at MMX

One example: photo ID 5971697 at "dark side"

[Edited 2008-10-28 12:42:48]
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 20):
Well, I was precisely talking about it. Have you taken any full shots of a/c's at F2.8 and if so can you post an example of it?

Hundreds....but I'm not about to dig through them all for this....

Try punching in some info here on your camera/lens/distance...you'll be surprised.

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

a 200mm lens at f2.8 at even 500 feet will produce a zone of focus of 213.4 feet. 84.9 infront of the plane of focus and 128.5 behind. Plenty of room, and it increases with distance. A 50mm at 1.8 at 100 feet produces almost that.....99.3 feet.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:19 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 22):
a 200mm lens at f2.8 at even 500 feet will produce a zone of focus of 213.4 feet. 84.9 infront of the plane of focus and 128.5 behind. Plenty of room, and it increases with distance. A 50mm at 1.8 at 100 feet produces almost that.....99.3 feet.
Haven't you still given up hope they will ever understand Jeff ?  
I did, long time ago...........

BTW there is a DOF indicator on top of your lens which will pretty much match the calculations, if you know how to use it that is.

Sigma 70-200 with 2x TC at max focal distance, max zoom and max aperture.

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I know the pixel peepers will tell it's soft wide open, soft at the long end and unworkable soft with TC........ I've heard it all for years, well if my Canon 24-105/4L had half the optical qualities of the Sigma it would be somewhat worth it's price tag.
Although I have to admit that the latest version with macro added is one step to far.

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:42 am

Quote: JeffM

That's a cool link. Thanks. We all know we could always learn something from you   Wink

[Edited 2008-10-28 18:04:42]
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:10 am

70-200 2.8 IS...
you wont need to upgrade =]
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:00 am



Quoting JeffM (Reply 22):

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

Interesting site, thanks for sharing!
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:02 pm

Calfo:

I suggest you spend some time with your 70-300 set at 200mm shooting with the IS on and off. Look at the results and decide if for your shooting the IS would be worth the extra $500+.

Then try some careful test shots at 200mm with max aperture (wide open) using a tripod and decide if you can live with the shallow depth of field. I think you'll find that only one portion of the airplane you're shooting will be in focus. If you will only be shooting big airplanes and you don't have any interest in using selective focus to isolate portions of them then paying an extra $650 for the faster lens would be a waste.

But for shooting people or making dramatic, interesting and creative pictures there is no question that the f2.8 IS is the best tool on your list.
 
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:11 am

All this talk about the 70-200 f/2.8 inspired me to rent a copy. Looking forward to giving it a workout this weekend.
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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:52 am



Quoting Michlis (Reply 28):
All this talk about the 70-200 f/2.8 inspired me to rent a copy. Looking forward to giving it a workout this weekend.

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RE: Canon 70-200mm

Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:10 pm



Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 29):
You won't look back, attached to my 1Dn all the time, one of the best lenses I've ever bought, enjoy, you won't want to hand it back!

I know what I want Santa to put in my Christmas stocking this year...actually it would probably be safer under the tree. Awesome lense.  bigthumbsup 
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