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Doubts About Lenses With Canon 50D. Tips Please

Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:38 am

Hey Fellas,

How are you. Well, I always recur to you guys as you seem to know a little bit more about some subjects. I have some doubts about new camera gear, and I thought you might be able to help. I currently have these

Canon 400D with 18-55 Normal lense (Selling cam with 18-55 lens)
Canon L Serie 100-400 IS USM EF

Now, Its about time to change this and I was looking at the 50D as I find it a perfect step up to change from the 400D as the 30-40-50D series are nice and from what Ive read, great cams. Now, here is the deal. I see there is a pack for the 50D with Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Standard Zoom Lens. I am interested in this pack specifically.

The 18-55 in my current cam SUCKS..... bad, and beside i have a gap between 55-100mm. This one seems better, as it is a good range from 18-55. I do a lot of cockpit shots on the jumpseat flights so I would need a 18MM at least as I have now, and also, some good range to cover, 200MM. So, I like this one. I always had the idea to buy a fisheye or the 10-22, but they are way to expensive right now, and still, I would need something to cover that from 55 or 22-100mm!

So, my question is, on the canon side, what lenses can you recommend.... I really want something similar to this, with a good wide angle range covering at least 18mm, on forward. As I said, I do a lot of jumpseating and I need a wider angle lens and enough to cover at least up to 100MM. Please, can any one recomend some canon lenses, Image stabilized preferred as well please. Thanks!

Stefano

•I will be doing an air to air photoshoot from a C130 to a 727 from the back door. With the 100-400 itts too much to start with, but 18-55 is too little!
• I need a lens that has some good range
• I consider the 18mm because I use it in cockpits a lot and I cant necesarilty afford a separtae lense for cockptis only Example, 10-22, 15mm fisheye etc
 
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RE: Doubts About Lenses With Canon 50D. Tips Please

Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:49 am

1) 50D+18-200 = $1850

2) 40D+10-20+18-200 = $2028

Difference = $178

Why buy a 50D? The difference in price is only $178 and you would have all your focal ranges covered. Just a thought.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:35 am

Interesting thought Matt. Hmm, well what i thought is this. The 40D is 10MP as well as the 400D...... what are the real advantages? Now, the 40D is dropping prices, here in my country cameras loose value a lot as well, so If i could buy the 40D which already has some time, I would sell it say in two years for a VERY VERY low price which is unfortunate. Therefore i thought of buying the 50D which can have a higher resale value in the future and use it more time, thats the only thought.

Then again, you have a good point.....
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:51 am

DPReview ripped the 50D. I'd go with a 40D and spend they money on some better glass.
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:29 am

Hmmm, Dpreview... let me read more about it. Its an interesting option what your saying abut the 40D. But still, how great is the improvement from the 400D to the 40D. I did read some of the 50D's have some ERRO 99 problem
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:57 am



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
DPReview ripped the 50D. I'd go with a 40D and spend they money on some better glass

They didn't really rip it, it got Highly Recommended(Just) which is mainly because it's too expensive. Image quality was on par with 40D after they had used the proper conversion program version. Problem with the comparing images on DPR is that they are differently focused so it's not that easy to compare them with 40D.
What is true is that 40D is super value at the moment, and even if you look at a lower resell value in some years there is a $500 difference to start with.

What I have found from the 18-200 is that it has some serious vignetting at 18mm. Other than that is a nice light weight lens to travel with, but I am not sure of it's capabilities when it comes to spotting. Also a tad noisy, but that is not something we generally care about when those P&W come roaring at us  Wink
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:57 am



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 4):
I did read some of the 50D's have some ERRO 99 problem

Only with Canon glass.
There is a firmware update available to correct the problem.

The 50D needs top notch glass, don't spend money on the 18-200.
Like most Canon consumer lenses it sucks.
Take a look at this comparison between 40, 50D and Nikon D90.
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_50D/outdoor_results.shtml
You really don't want that thingy on top of your 50D.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:32 am



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
DPReview ripped the 50D. I'd go with a 40D and spend they money on some better glass.

So you are admitting you would buy a canon product, interesting.  Smile

Seriously though the fact the 50D has a 920,000 pixel LCD screen on the back and 5 more mega-pixels would be worth the extra $178 to me.
Canon 50D user; 100-400 MM L IS 10-22 MM, 60MM Macro
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:09 am



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 5):
serious vignetting at 18mm

Sorry, that should be 200mm, tired today...
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:44 pm

Here are some quotes.

in terms of per-pixel sharpness the 50D cannot quite keep up with the better 10 or 12 megapixel APS-C DSLRs in the market.

the smaller photosites are clearly producing more noise (as shown from our RAW comparisons) and so Canon is having to apply more noise reduction to keep to acceptable noise levels, this of course means a loss of detail from ISO 1600 upwards.

Considering the disadvantages that come with higher pixel densities such as diffraction issues, increased sensitivity towards camera shake, reduced dynamic range, reduced high ISO performance and the need to store, move and process larger amounts of data, one could be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that at this point the megapixel race should probably stop. One consequence of this is that the 50% increase in pixel count over the 40D results in only a marginal amount of extra detail.

We're by no means saying the 50Ds image quality is bad but it's simply not significantly better than the ten megapixel 40D. In some areas such as dynamic range and high ISO performance it's actually worse and that simply makes you wonder if the EOS 50D could have been an (even) better camera if its sensor had a slightly more moderate resolution.

Read between the lines. Amazon doesn't want to upset Canon. The 50d is a dud. Buy a 40d, it is cheaper and easier to use.
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:07 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 2):
Hmm, well what i thought is this. The 40D is 10MP as well as the 400D...... what are the real advantages?

I started with a 400D and moved to a 40D. The difference is night and day. Despite having the same megapixel count, the 40D image quality is way better, especially in high ISO situations. The 40D feels much better (at least in my hand), I can shoot faster with it, the screen is nicer, and the viewfinder is bigger and clearer. It also has many other extra features that have come in handy (live view, highlight tone priority). I can go on and on... In summary: the 40D is a very nice upgrade from the 400D. Just looking at the megapixel count doesn't tell you much about how good a camera is.

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 5):
Image quality was on par with 40D

They actually claimed that the 40D has better high ISO performance.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
I'd go with a 40D and spend they money on some better glass.

Amazing! I actually agree with Royal on this one!

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 7):
Seriously though the fact the 50D has a 920,000 pixel LCD screen on the back and 5 more mega-pixels would be worth the extra $178 to me.

If you read Reply #1 more carefully, which I assume you are referring to, it claims that for an extra $178 you can get the 40D and the 10-22.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
Like most Canon consumer lenses it sucks.

The digital picture gave it a decent review; you can find it here:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/ (scroll down towards the EF-S lenses)

photozone did rip it apart:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/400-canon_18200_3556is

Quoting Airportmanager (Thread starter):
I consider the 18mm because I use it in cockpits a lot and I cant necesarilty afford a separtae lense for cockptis only

There are not many lenses that start from 18mm and have good range. My personal recommendation, if money is not an issue, would be to use the 17-40 L or the 10-22 for the wider stuff (depending on what you want; the 10-22 is ultrawide-only, the 17-40 is a very nice IMHO general purpose lens on the 1.6x sensors) and either the 24-105 L or one of the 70-200 L (there are four to choose from! see the separate thread on them; my personal preference would be the f4 IS) for the longer stuff, depending on what focal lengths you want to reach. Also note the the 24-105 L compliments the 10-22 nicely, and the 70-200 compliments the 17-40 nicely.

If money is an issue, consider getting the latest 18-55 IS kit lens (which might not be great, but apparently it has decent sharpness and is cheap) for the wider stuff and one of the 70-200 L for the longer stuff.

The only lens that's reasonably wide and has some range that I can think of is the 17-85:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/17...m-f4-56-usm-is-test-report--review

But, again, it's a compromise.

Anyway, good luck and happy shooting.

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Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:34 pm

FWIW, here's another review:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E50D/E50DA.HTM

which claims that the 50D is better than the 40D in image quality.

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Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:34 pm

Wow guys, interesting comments and thatnks to all for your help. Replying specifically to some of your comments...

I was going through the net and I took some time to investigate these lenses as well, regardless if its the 40 or the 50D

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 5):
What is true is that 40D is super value at the moment, and even if you look at a lower resell value in some years there is a $500 difference to start with.

Yeah, value with the 40D is noticeable! And from what I hear and read from the 40D its really good in spite of the improvements made if you can call them such with the 50D

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 7):
Seriously though the fact the 50D has a 920,000 pixel LCD screen on the back and 5 more mega-pixels would be worth the extra $178 to me.

Yeah, the screen is a little PLUS but from the comments doesn't quite cut it 100%  Smile

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
We're by no means saying the 50Ds image quality is bad but it's simply not significantly better than the ten megapixel 40D.

Thanks for being objective  Wink Good to hear. Its a smart thing to notice when the prices are so distant. Were basically saying it snot a bad camera its just not a camera justified by its price compared to the 40 D

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
Just looking at the megapixel count doesn't tell you much about how good a camera is.

Course not, just a side note

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):

Amazing! I actually agree with Royal on this one!

About going for the glass instead, seems reasonable....... ive done some researching about possible lenses with my current budget

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
if money is not an issue

D'oh! It is for me now! hahahahaha

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
The digital picture gave it a decent review; you can find it here:

Ive read some rather good reviews on it, but then again, its an all purpose lens, good for family, etc, but maybe not the best for me. First, I have already 100-400. so why cover 200 again, (Regardless of the air to air shooting) and this lense could be replaced by a Ultra wide angle and a mid range instead?


I have done the following investigations and here are some interesting lenses I have considered so far.

Mid Range:
Canon 17-85 IS
Canon 28-105mm

Ultra Wide Angle:
Sigma 10-20mm
Canon 10-22mm

Fish Eye:
Sigma 8mm
Tokina 10-17mm (Great pics and reviews!)

Supposing I would buy the body of the 50D, I have considered the 28-105 and the 10-17mm Fisheye..... Thats one possible combination? I would have to see some more lenses like the ones SNATH recommended.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
There is a firmware update available to correct the problem.

Good to hear, that sounded annoying

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
You really don't want that thingy on top of your 50D.

In any case the 18-200 is the last resort... for now any of the other options, and im keeping my 100-400 of course!

Any way, thats all for now, let me know more about your thoughts thanks!


PS:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
and either the 24-105 L

Look real good, but price does too, many numbers! hahaha
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 12):
Canon 17-85 IS
Canon 28-105mm

Ultra Wide Angle:
Sigma 10-20mm
Canon 10-22mm

Fish Eye:
Sigma 8mm
Tokina 10-17mm (Great pics and reviews!)

Trust me and don't put an Canon consumer lens in front of the 50D with the 10-22 as an exeption.
The Sigma 10-20 works very well as does the Tokina 10-17 though I would sell them both in favor for the Tokina 11-16 which is setting new standards.

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 12):
Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
and either the 24-105 L
Look real good, but price does too, many numbers! hahaha

Not worth the money, it wasn't a stunner on my 20D and now on the 50D the flaws are magnified by 2.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:59 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 13):
Trust me and don't put an Canon consumer lens in front of the 50D with the 10-22 as an exeption.

Agreed, the only really good EF-S lenses are the 10-22 and 17-55 f/2.8 IS.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:20 pm

Aviopic, you got the 50D, did you upgrade from the 40D? Your thoughts?

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 13):
Not worth the money, it wasn't a stunner on my 20D and now on the 50D the flaws are magnified by 2.

Yeah, the simple 28-105 seems really good. Ive heard it might not be worth the money. Even more if you mention this about the 50D...... Comments?

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 13):
in favor for the Tokina 11-16 which is setting new standards.

Interesting, any one on the net used it I mean for Aviation photography? Now, this review shows it compares its self more with a UWA other than a Fisheye right?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tokina/11-16mm.htm

It compares with the 10-22.... So this is just an other option for wide angle but nor for fisheye right?

Any other suggestions?
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:29 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):
Interesting, any one on the net used it I mean for Aviation photography?

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...%20Photography&distinct_entry=true

might want to contact him (IIRC, he's around on the forums as well)
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:30 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):
Ive heard it might not be worth the money.

If you get it as the 50D kit, you essentially get it for half the price, or maybe a bit over (at least here in the US).

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Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:34 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):
Aviopic, you got the 50D, did you upgrade from the 40D? Your thoughts?

No but from D30 to 10D to 20D to 50D  Smile
The question you have to answer is whether or not you need big prints on a regular basis.
If the answer is yes go for the 50, if the answer is no the 40 will be more then capable for anything else.
Both are terrific camera's but each with their own purpose.

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):
Yeah, the simple 28-105 seems really good. Ive heard it might not be worth the money. Even more if you mention this about the 50D...... Comments?

Don't know the 28-105 but the 24-105/4L suffers from several flaws but if you keep it between F7.1 and F9(and the IS off if the camera is not level) it is workable....... well more or less that is. All together this is why I don't think it is worth the money.

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):
Interesting, any one on the net used it I mean for Aviation photography? Now, this review shows it compares its self more with a UWA other than a Fisheye right?

The Tokina 11-16/2.8 is indeed not a fisheye but an UWA and therefore more usable if you ask me.
It is pretty new so I don't think there are many photos to be found in the database.

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 15):

It compares with the 10-22.... So this is just an other option for wide angle but nor for fisheye right?

The Canon 10-22/3.5-4.5 optics might be comparable with the Tokina 11-16/2.8 but the build quality and speed are not, on top of that the Canon is over 100,- EU more expensive....... over here anyway.
So that should be no brainer.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 17):
If you get it as the 50D kit, you essentially get it for half the price, or maybe a bit over (at least here in the US).

The 50D price goes down rapidly in the Netherlands.
Initial list price was about 1600 EU, in the first week(when I got it) it was already down to 1150 and now one month later it's 1049.
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
The question you have to answer is whether or not you need big prints on a regular basis.

I see the term "big prints" thrown around a lot. Just how big are you talking? A 40D will go 14 x 20 at 180ppi. I have seen prints from a D100 ("only" 6mp) @ 12 x 18 that are as good as anything you will ever find.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
The Tokina 11-16/2.8 is indeed not a fisheye but an UWA and therefore more usable if you ask me.

Still only 18mm with your 1.6x crop factor.

Personally I am addicted to wiiiiiide angle. Full frame at 15mm is so much fun that I am saving to get the 14-24 f/2.8. You just can't go wide enough!
 
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
Don't know the 28-105 but the 24-105/4L suffers from several flaws but if you keep it between F7.1 and F9(and the IS off if the camera is not level) it is workable....... well more or less that is. All together this is why I don't think it is worth the money.

Mind going into greater detail about these so called flaws? I own the 24-105 f4L. I have owned it for almost a year and have shot almost exclusively with it since I bought it. I love it, and I have yet to find anything wrong with it. When I researched before buying, I did see a lot of mention of bad copies early on but that Canon had addressed the issue.
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:00 am



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
whether or not you need big prints on a regular basis.

Hmm, not really a person who prints BIG print usually. Who knows in the future, depends the kind of jobs or photo opportunities.....

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
14-24 f/2.8.

Which one is this? Didnt find it when I looked for it in B&H for Canon....


Hmmm, any way, not it rounds up to be a difficult choice regarding the lenses. In the end the 40 or 50D is easier to decide in the end, but the lenses..... damn...... Ill be glad to keep on hearing what you guys have to say and If I think of any other choices Ill mention them  Smile Thanks again!
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:29 am

What's wrong with the 28-135 that comes with the 40D? I mean, compared to my 100-400L there is a pretty big difference but I've seen plenty of photos on here with that kit lens. And it covers a good range except the wide angle stuff of course.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:55 am

Sorry, I shoot Nikon, who makes the 14-24 I was referring to.

I would go with the 10-22 if I was shooting a Canon APS-sized body.
 
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:44 pm



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 12):
Sigma 10-20mm

So, I bought that one and tried it. It was OK, but I got a horrible copy whose left side was horrific. So, I promptly returned it and got the Canon 10-22. Quality is better, but at a higher price. And I felt that the build quality was a bit better on the Sigma. And the zoom / focus rings felt much tighter (and they feel really cheap on the Canon).

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 13):
Trust me and don't put an Canon consumer lens in front of the 50D with the 10-22 as an exeption.

Yep, the 10-22 is my only non-L lens, given that there's no way I can get that wide with an L lens.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
Mind going into greater detail about these so called flaws? I own the 24-105 f4L. I have owned it for almost a year and have shot almost exclusively with it since I bought it. I love it, and I have yet to find anything wrong with it.

My 24-105 tends to be a little soft, especially on the long end. And I haven't used it that much, since I got my 70-200. But, I still use it when its focal length is right for the occasion and I've had good shots with it. Also note that the 24-105 focal length is an awesome focal length on a FF (I tried it on a film body). So, if I ever end up with a FF digital (we can always dream, right?), the 24-105 will probably be my all-purpose lens on it.

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 22):
What's wrong with the 28-135 that comes with the 40D?

Depends what you shoot, by 28mm is just too long on a 1.6 body. Hell, 24mm is too long on a 1.6 body, IMHO.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 18):
The Canon 10-22/3.5-4.5 optics might be comparable with the Tokina 11-16/2.8 but the build quality and speed are not, on top of that the Canon is over 100,- EU more expensive....... over here anyway.
So that should be no brainer.

The 16mm to 22mm difference would alone justify the extra money. Of course, you have to compliment an UWA lens with a longer one, but the fact that the Canon can reach 22mm saved me from having to change lenses on the field on many occasions...

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Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:35 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):

The 50D needs top notch glass, don't spend money on the 18-200.

I just bought that lens together with the 50D body. While the quality is not excellent, it looks good enough. Hopefully here will be less missed shots compared to my previous combination of 20D and 24-105 as the lens carried during my flights.

Hoping to add some picture into the database soon using the combination. A few pictures are already in the queue.
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:58 pm



Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 26):
Hoping to add some picture into the database soon using the combination. A few pictures are already in the queue.

Good always nice to see

Anyway, I still think the Canon will be better as I have heard great comments and good reviews, this I mean for the 10-22. Now, If I had all the cash I wated, damn, id go for the 10-22, the fisheyes everything, but now it a matter of deciding which one is really worth it, etc. I feel somewhat tempted for the 400-50D upgrade, but the price calls my attention on the 40D..
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:19 pm

I actually have the 18-55mm IS, and it's good. Not terrible, and not 17-40L, but good. I don't have any pics on here with it, but on the 'other site' I do.

Crazy thing is I've started to look at Nikon again. The D90 is one sweet piece of @ss! 16-85, and 80-400 is all I'd need.....but am I stupid enough to do it...  scratchchin 
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:39 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
I see the term "big prints" thrown around a lot. Just how big are you talking? A 40D will go 14 x 20 at 180ppi. I have seen prints from a D100 ("only" 6mp) @ 12 x 18 that are as good as anything you will ever find.

Fully agree with you but explain that to magazine editors.
For personal use I never go beyond 180 ppi simply because the human eye can't see the dots from 100 to 125(varies per person) onwards.
So 180 ppi is far enough on the safe side to be considered as photo quality.
Not according the editors these days though, anything less then 300 ppi is not accepted and some even request for 600 ppi.
I am tired of explaining the bs and defending myself so I give them what they want and wish them good luck with it.

From the technical side.
The 8 mp 20D image gives me at 300 ppi a 29.67(11.68) x 19.78(7.79) cm(inch) image or just good enough for a magazine but rejected(as in a.net) for anything bigger like calenders, posters etc.
The 15 mp 50D gives me at 300 ppi a 40.23(15.84) x 26.82(10.56) cm(inch) image good enough for a magazine inside poster, untill they request for 600 ppi of course.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
Still only 18mm with your 1.6x crop factor.

True but that's good enough for things like flightdecks.

Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 26):
I just bought that lens together with the 50D body. While the quality is not excellent, it looks good enough. Hopefully here will be less missed shots compared to my previous combination of 20D and 24-105 as the lens carried during my flights.

I would have said the same if it was a 100 buck Cosina.
This is really the part that I don't understand, you just paid something like 1000 EU for a Canon L that says 1000 eu thank you very much the quality might be a bit disappointing but it is good enough just because it says Canon L on the label.

Anyway keep it level or switch the "is" off while flying, keep it between F7.1 - F9 and between 40 - 70 mm and you will be fine, after some CA corrections that is.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
Mind going into greater detail about these so called flaws? I own the 24-105 f4L.

See above.
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RE: Doubts About Lenses With Canon 50D. Tips Please

Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:14 am



Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 28):
Crazy thing is I've started to look at Nikon again.



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 29):

Anyway keep it level or switch the "is" off while flying, keep it between F7.1 - F9 and between 40 - 70 mm and you will be fine, after some CA corrections that is.

Willem,

At least in terms of resolution, the figures on photozone do not really reflect your claims:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/18...4-usm-l-is-lab-test-report--review

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Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:28 am



Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 28):

Crazy thing is I've started to look at Nikon again. The D90 is one sweet piece of @ss! 16-85, and 80-400 is all I'd need.....but am I stupid enough to do it... scratchchin

The D90 is quite a great bit of gear - but, the D700, if you can afford it, or even save up like mad for it is almost god status!

That's what will replace my D80. The performance of that D700 is stellar - really, really good. I also know the 5D Mk.II is superb, but I could never switch and junk a heap of Nikkor lenses. 12 point something mega-pixels is enough for me.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:00 pm



Quoting SNATH (Reply 30):
At least in terms of resolution, the figures on photozone do not really reflect your claims:

Nothing wrong with the resolution Tony, everything else is wrong  Big grin
I am not a pixel peeper but believe in what I see, and what I've seen from the 24-105/4L over the 2 years that I own one is disappointing despite the charts.
I am around to long to have any faith in the charts anyway.

Resolution.
Just compare 24-105/4, 24-70/2.8, 17-40/4 and 85/1.8
24-105/4 resolution is less best although not bad at all but the quality(sharpness) could have been from the Hubble before it was corrected and this is at 70mm F8.0 ! probably the best possible situation.
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon24105mmL/page4b.shtml
If the other photos were not there one might start looking for a pair of glasses.

Corner sharpness.
At 24mm pretty good, at 105mm..... HELP, where are my glasses.
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon24105mmL/page4c.shtml

Chromatic aberrations.
A problem with all Canon short to medium range glass I've worked with including L.
Unbelievable if you know that about any third party lens has found a way to correct the problem with special coatings etc. but not Canon(look at the 18-200).
Nikon corrects CA inside their new bodies(applause) but Canon does not even though my brand new 50D has build in lens profiles to correct..... well ehh something(what remains unclear to me, it detects lenses I don't even have anyway) but CA is not included.
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon24105mmL/page4d.shtml
Normally one way CA(lateral) is not so much of a problem as it is easy to correct but CA in 2 directions doesn't make life easy and leaves a compromise at best.

Outdoor result.
Sharpness and CA not very good compared to the 24-70/2.8, good corner sharpness on the 5D though.
But I don't have a 5D, I want it sharp in the middle and without the CA  Smile

Those are my problems with the 24-105 in a nutshell, problems that have become a lot bigger now I have the 50D...... twice as big to be precise(compared to the 20D).

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RE: Doubts About Lenses With Canon 50D. Tips Please

Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:33 am

Hey guys,

Now, thanks for all you guys help! I am considering buying either 40D or 50D..... with 28-135 IS which looks real good, and either 10-22 or sigma 10-20, those are the finalists. Last comments or suggestions,  Smile!

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Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:31 am

Ahh right, i forgot to ask! Does the RC1 Canon Remote control work for the 50D/40D? I have it for my 400D and works perfect, but, what about for the 50D and 40D? If not which one, and if not REMOTE, a cabled one?

[Edited 2008-11-10 23:39:16]
 
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:24 am



Quoting SNATH (Reply 25):
So, if I ever end up with a FF digital (we can always dream, right?), the 24-105 will probably be my all-purpose lens on it.

Bingo! I have the 5D and got the 24-105 L in the kit... simply amazing... I must have a good copy of this lens and I have no problems... sure at 105mm its a little soft, but nothing PS can't fix. I have not used my 17-40 which i bought for my 10D a loooooong time ago.

Also, the 70-200L is a must have lens, if you can afford it, go with the 2.8 IS if not the f4 is still a very good cost effective version

Make sure you cover your needs and you have good range, and stick with L glass,

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Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:27 am



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 34):
Does the RC1 Canon Remote control work for the 50D/40D?

I don't think so. This is one of the disdvantages of the 40D / 50D. The remotes are much more expensive. I have the RC1 for my XTi but I ended up getting the TC-80N3 which is very expensive, but awesome. The RS-80N3 is cheaper but grossly expensive for what it is (essentially, a plastic button).

Quoting Gmonney (Reply 35):
I have the 5D and got the 24-105 L in the kit... simply amazing...

5DmkII plus 24-105 L.  drool   drool   drool  Hey, I can always dream, right? BUT, the 24-105 kit for the 5D looked like a great deal (at least here in the US, you save several $100s by getting the 24-105 as the kit).

Quoting Gmonney (Reply 35):
I have not used my 17-40 which i bought for my 10D a loooooong time ago.

The 17-40 was great on the film body I tried it; I've been getting addicted to ultra-wide angles from the 10-22 and it was great to see the 17-40's "native" focal length... that'd be another great lens for the 5DmkII.  Wink

Happy shooting everyone!

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RE: Doubts About Lenses With Canon 50D. Tips Please

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:34 pm

I would upgrade to the 5DmkII but I want don't want another ff camera.... so by the sounds of things the 40D is the best choice out there... I agree with the rest of the responses, invest money in glass, and 30 or 40D should be perfect for anyone upgrading from a Rebel

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Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:11 pm



Quoting Gmonney (Reply 37):
and 30 or 40D should be perfect for anyone upgrading from a Rebel

There's a lot going for the 40D in favor of the 30D. The 40D price is an amazing ~$850 right now. Apart from the (not-so-important) 2 megapixel difference, the 40D has live view, sensor cleaning features, larger screen, etc. At that price, it's a no-brainer IMHO. But, of course, I'm biased as I have one.  Smile

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