pilotmaverick
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Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:14 pm

Hi Guys!

I am flying home to Canada next december. As I am an ATPL Pilot in training I just wonder if it is possible to enter the cockpit (while plane is in flight) in order to have a quick conversation with the pilots. Or even Jumpseat while landing? Wohoo that would be thrilling!
I know that this is generally prohibited, especially after 911 but do you know of cases where pilots made an exception?
Flight will be from Munich to Toronto. B767. I don' t know any AirCanada staff Sad

Thank you very much for your help!


Cheers,
Maverick
 
deaphen
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:01 pm

Unlikely, but do what i do, write a note to the Captain and hand it to the F/A while boarding, explain your passion and you would like to see the flight deck.

You have about a 0.5% chance that you will be let in. Its grim, but still half a chance.

It has worked with me before in the US.

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:06 pm

Hi there,

as you already stated allowing people into the cockpit is generally prohibited nowadays. Only allowed are people who are part of the crew or positioning crewmembers/airline employees.
Very few exceptions are granted; your best bet would be to friendly ask a cabin attendant to forward your request to the commander who has the final decision.

Good luck!

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:35 pm

Do you have an ID badge? If you have an ID card from the training school you fly at you can hand that to them and see if that works.

good luck
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:48 am

I would bet not a chance. Even licensed corporate pilots for our company cannot visit the cockpit/jumpseat with their friends flying commercially in Canada, so your Air Canada chance is nil.
Not to be sterotypical, but in the hyper-security sensitive US of A I bet even asking gets you zip-tied to the seat armrests.
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:46 am

The rules in the UK at least are the flight deck is off limits to all but crew and specifically allowed people from engine start to engine shutdown.
We do allow pax up after shutdown...if they're fast. We have a home to go to....
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:15 am



Quoting Rtl (Reply 5):
We have a home to go to....

or a hotel room............

your chances are 50/50....you can get a yes or a no!

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mat1979
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:31 pm

Hi Maverick

I'd suggest you to ask the chief flight attendant upon boarding. Explain your situation (who you are, why, etc) and make sure he knows your seat. Once less busy he'll take care of you and the captain will decide.

I work in the industry and i usually get access. Quite rare to be in during landing, although it occured a few times after 911, but much more easy in cruise during quiet times (when all are asleep). This was on european carriers so it may be more difficult in north america.

Last month on my way to LAX from CDG i asked but was denied and told that some passengers had complained of passengers entering the cockpit on previous US bound flights so the policy on US bound flights was more stricly enforced.

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:33 pm

Aren't cockpit rules subject to the captains decision in Int'l airspace?
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:59 pm

No. The rules that govern this are laid down by the regulation authority. In the UK,at least at a certain major using B744 and B772 on international routes, the rules forbid entry by pax unless previously approved. For the Capt to use his discretion would be dealt with very seriously and I suspect he'd be on the lookout for a new job.
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:51 pm

A senior MyTravel A321 captain was suspended maybe one year ago because he allowed a football player (soccer for you people overseas) to jumpseat to override his fear of flying.

Where's the world come to....gaaaaah. Glad it's still possible without the bull**** in some parts of the world.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:00 pm

Hi Maverick,

as far as i know, some spotters often manage to get to the cockpit on regular flights here in Russia. Once upon a time I was also curious how to try to do it, by the way a flight with KrasAir was ahead of me. In fact I was pressed for time so I never tried that day. But still first of all I decided to ask at the largest russian aviation forum. And I got some useful advice:

1. When you ask such things - never mention the flight and the airline. And the type also, hehe. You know, it’s a small world! Someone can know about it so that you'll fail at best.
2. Come up to the F/A after the plane has reached it's place of destination and the passengers are getting out.
3. As has already been mentioned above, explain your reason correctly.

Maybe you will be understood. But remember, it generally depends on the occasion, the airline and the aircraft. Surely it's no problem if this is An2!!  Smile

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Good luck! Worth trying!

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:21 am

Up to this point, i thought that NO-One was allowed up to the flight deck. 110% NO, NO, NO!!!

It sounds like there is that slight chance... which is amazing.

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 1):
You have about a 0.5% chance that you will be let in. Its grim, but still half a chance.



Quoting ThierryD (Reply 2):
as you already stated allowing people into the cockpit is generally prohibited nowadays. Only allowed are people who are part of the crew or positioning crewmembers/airline employees.

My dad works for Air Canada. Is there Any (even 0.1%) chance that I could get lucky and get up to the flight deck while flying regionally within Canada. Say YWG to YYZ.

If yes, how on Earth would you even begin to start the idea of yourself going to the flightdeck. Any tricks or "things to say"

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:21 am



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 12):
Up to this point, i thought that NO-One was allowed up to the flight deck. 110% NO, NO, NO!!!

Quite right! To enter the cockpit during the flight (especially intl. one) is hardly possible if you have no acquaintances in the airline or at the airport who can put in a word for you so that you'll be trusted and allowed to the flight desk as a result.
My friend is a F/A in Austrian Airlines and I wondered if he could lead me to the cockpit if I flew DME-VIE while he was on duty. He couldn't answer for sure, just told me he would try to. So you see, it's a very special thing.

But to get to the cockpit on the ramp is a possible mission available for an ordinary person with no friends in big aviation and interesting too, isn't it? Besides, you will be able to have a short conversation with the pilots as well.

Regards.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:12 pm



Quoting Dimon879 (Reply 13):
But to get to the cockpit on the ramp is a possible mission available for an ordinary person with no friends in big aviation and interesting too, isn't it? Besides, you will be able to have a short conversation with the pilots as well.

Absolutely correct.  cheerful  Just appraoch the flight deck when you board the plane, and as long as you don't look like you just woke up out of the ditch, you'll be clear sailing.

Regards
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:42 pm

I ask the F/A on the way out if I can have a quick look up front and they usualy say yes.

The only time I have been to the flight deck in flight was on a sightseeing flight on a DC 3.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:44 pm

Hi,

although it is very unlikely to get on the jumpseat, it is still possible with some luck.
About two weeks ago I had the jumpseat on an A300 of a big German airline and last weekend a friend was upgraded to row 0 on a 738 domestic flight within Germany. Unfortunately the plane had only one jumpseat so that I had to take a "normal" seat.

In both cases we did not ask for the jumpseat explicitly but my friend gave his logbook to the crew.

So, in rare cases it is still possible to get on the jumpseat, depending on many factors and also on the mood of the crew.

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:06 am

Memories!

Before 911 I used to get into the jumpseat almost every time. Since then I think it might be twice, and those were pre-organised oficially through work.

What's the world come to, indeed...
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:04 am



Quoting Philthy (Reply 17):
Before 911 I used to get into the jumpseat almost every time.

If I am not mistaken some friends of yours at NJS got you a BNE return on the 727 not too long back?  Wink

That's been my only jumpseat ride to date... B727 MEL-SYD-MEL and MEL-PER-MEL and it was one of the most thrilling experiences ever. That was a freighter though. I don't think the chances are high on a commercial service.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:29 pm

I had a jumpseat landing twice with german airlines after year 2001 (approach Fuerteventura and Milano Malpensa). Asked for the reason why it´s possible after this terror shit one pilot told me: "Here in the sky we decide if anyone can come in or not anyway what the US-security wants us to do....." In 2007 I asked for a cockpit visit during the flight from Paris to Hanover: No Problem. The girl pilot on the left seat was very friendly an interested in my aviation hobby. Jumpseat would have been possible on this flight if the weather was better at destination. So I had no luck and walked back to my seat....
But I had other converstions: on a flight from Hanover to Crete and back I asked for a cockpit visit....the stewardess was nearly angry about such a silly question. No chance for a visit....not even for the childs of the pilot she told me....

Bye
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:46 pm



Quoting Ryan h (Reply 15):
I ask the F/A on the way out if I can have a quick look up front and they usualy say yes.

In fact I wait until all the PAX have gotten off the aircraft, then ask the FA or pilot standing at the door, Could I please take some pictures of the cockpit. Be quick about it, because like some one said earlier in the thread "they have homes to get to also".

I have never had any one say no to me.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:57 am

A.net,

I'm heading to: YWG - YYZ (AC) , YYZ - FRA(AC) , FRA - Rome(Luftansa) , Rome - LHR (heathrow?)(British) (leaving November 19, 08)

Is there any chance that I can get inside the flight deck while over international airspace. I know that some reply's have said that there is a slight chance.

I do have some connection w/ Air Canada (my dad works for the AC), but have absolutly no relation to BA or Luftansa.

If there is even a slight chance, how would I go about doing it??

I am guessing that the answer is going to NO, NO, NO; but you never know. A.net has people from all over..

Thanks
Regards

Luke
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:28 am



Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 21):
If there is even a slight chance, how would I go about doing it??

I am guessing that the answer is going to NO, NO, NO; but you never know. A.net has people from all over..

Forget about BA, but with the others, just ask. All they can say is no, and you're already at that point.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:26 pm



Quoting JRadier (Reply 22):
but with the others, just ask.

Thanks-
Ya, don't worry. I will ask, and Hopefully I am successful. Amazing photo opportunity!

Regards
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:47 am

Hey guys,
I'm also going on a multi-leg flight to YVR next week.
PHL - LGA (on a small turbo-prop)
then to Toronto, and then onto Vancouver. ( on Air Canada) and am very interested in getting in the flight deck to take pictures.
Is there more of a chance getting into the flight deck, since the flight isn't in America, but rather in Canada?
Also, I saw that a lot of people were saying "just ask," and just making sure, they can't do anything (arrest, etc...) to me just for asking, right??
And finally, I'm currently a student pilot; might it be helpful to bring that up when talking to the F/A??
Thanks for your help,
Luke

PS: No, regardless of the name; I'm not a 747 pilot
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:14 am

I was able to get to get into the flight deck of a Major Asian LCC just last week, as mentioned already be polite about it and wait till the majority of the other passengers have got off...

Lucky for me the air hostess did ask the captain if I could take a few photos and he agreed.

It was the last flight for the day so I made it quick in the flight deck, eitherway the bus waiting outside waited for me to get there before leaving. (a busload of narrowbody jet passengers waiting or just one person @ 10:30pm lol) I did feel a little bad but you gotta take these opportunities when you get them....

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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:09 pm

I'm a dispatcher with United, so I am in the CASS system. Here are a few of my pics I've taken through the years, probably not good enough for A.net though...

http://www.pbase.com/dux/cockpit_shots
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:59 am



Quote:
If I am not mistaken some friends of yours at NJS got you a BNE return on the 727 not too long back?



Yeah - that was once of the twice! Great trip too - the Capt was a mate of mine on his last flight.

It helps if you're in the industry, but even then we have to jump through hoops to get the jump seat. If I ever meet that #%^&@ Bin Laden on a dark night...

'Course, I get seat 0A in the Whale every time! Big grin
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:46 pm

For me it has never been a problem to get into the flight deck for a quick picture after the flight, I just wait to be last to get out so I'm not in anyone's way. As far as going to the flight deck in flight, i was traveling from Toronto - Halifax in uniform (CF) and they didn't even consider opening the door. Rules are rules though.
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mat1979
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:44 pm



Quoting Dimon879 (Reply 13):

Quoting Gliderpilot08 (Reply 12):
Up to this point, i thought that NO-One was allowed up to the flight deck. 110% NO, NO, NO!!!

Quite right! To enter the cockpit during the flight (especially intl. one) is hardly possible if you have no acquaintances in the airline or at the airport who can put in a word for you so that you'll be trusted and allowed to the flight desk as a result.

Quite wrong. Last time i did it was LAX - Tahiti last october (2 months ago). In a A340. I knew absolutely nobody on board, at LAX nor did i make any phone calls. I just explained to the pursuer after boarding who i was and my polite request and later on i was called ahead.

In Tahiti itself, on a few inter-islands flights, i was up front even during landings. Nice crews. just be polite and ask, and work in the same business definitely helps (i'm into atc).

On my return from Japan in 2006 i was allowed to seat in the captain seat while over Siberia (captain was sleeping and two first officers up front). On a return from Tunis in 2003 i was in the cockpit landing at CDG. On a CDG - Rome flight in 2006 i was up front the whole flight (gate to gate). Not to boast or anything, just shows that it is possible.

All in all, some crews will just say NO. Others will be more permissive. Be friendly, polite, back up your request, and ask. You may be in for a good surprise and an enjoyable flight  Smile
 
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:15 pm



Quoting Mat1979 (Reply 29):
All in all, some crews will just say NO. Others will be more permissive.

Most of these crews say no because they loose their job when saying YES. Pilots would quite often welcome somebody to chat up front on a long flight.

As I said, small outfits give you better chances, and certainly forget about US / UK airlines.
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:33 pm



Quoting INNflight (Reply 30):
Most of these crews say no because they loose their job when saying YES. Pilots would quite often welcome somebody to chat up front on a long flight.

Yeah, the good old times where people came to the front for a chat. Sadly I started flying after 9/11  Sad
Back when I flew passengers and charter, we usually allowed people into the cockpit during boarding and during deboarding. It was always nice, especially kids, who just looked around and were so frightened to touch anything  Wink Or some young guys, asking questions or taking pictures.
Jumpseating is very rare, but still possible. Just keep asking. But as INNflight said: US/ UK pretty low chances. But nothing is impossible.

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pilotmaverick
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RE: Jumpseat And Cockpit Photography?

Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:46 pm

Thank you very much for your numerous answers!!

I will keep your tips in mind and let' s all hope the best, perhaps they will grant me access to the cockpit in flight!

I' ll keep you updated about my plan!

Chears,
Phillip

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