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Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:26 am

I'm having a streak of bad luck with the screeners. I don't upload many shots, but I've got 47 images in the database and 50 sounds like a fantastic goal. The only problem is the last 10-15 shots I have uploaded didn't pass muster. I truly think my work has gotten better as I have progressed, but I think the quality bar of the site is rising faster than my experience. I'm glad the popularity of the site and the quality of the contributions allows this, but I'm just wondering how you guys keep your motivation when or if you hit a bad streak?
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:31 am

Was it re-uploads of the same picture or were all 15 of them different unique photos? I rarely re-upload something if it gets rejected, mainly because I'm too lazy to spend time re-editing something I already spent time editing once. I just move on to another photo. I guess that's my motivation, try another photo!

If they are all different photos, then I just read the rejection reasons and try to learn from my mistakes. Honestly though I haven't had a real bad streak, maybe 5 was the worst. For me what's MUCH more demotivating is a real long queue and low traffic/hits. Even worse when it is combined since you wait 14 days to get screened only to get lower hits than the "other site". This is why I didn't upload anything all summer. Yes some of you say hits don't matter but for me it is motivating Thankfully it is mostly fixed now and I currently have 10 in the queue  Smile
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:36 am

Take a break and grab a brunette like Kelly LeBrock and go drink some bourbon in an old bar in Chicago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KKCfkmQWUA

Seriously post a few here for some help. Plenty of people willing to help out and get you back with a few acceptances.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:27 am

Well, I think we all do, but a way to minimize it is to use the pre-screening thread where you can get a first look before uploading.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:47 am

Ha ha... I thought this thread was going to be a complaint about the queue length. Just two months ago it was down to close to 2000, and the wait time for a picture to get screened was 2-3 days max. Now, it's a week-and-a-half wait. Not that I'm whining or anything...
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:09 am



Quoting OSU_av8or (Thread starter):
I truly think my work has gotten better as I have progressed, but I think the quality bar of the site is rising faster than my experience.

I've thought that for the 8 years I've uploaded here.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Plenty of people willing to help out and get you back with a few acceptances.

I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included  Sad
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:08 am



Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included Sad

You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?
The post and pre-screening threads are as good as we make them, and if you see a possible rejection in another members image it's just a matter of saying so. Like it is now a lot of people post Q's and few reply. There are rarely screeners in there so it is a user to user feedback! I have posted few Q's but gave response on lots.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:08 am



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 6):
You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?

So you checked me out eh?

I don't reply to requests for help. I don't have a nearly high enough acceptance ratio to be able to pass judgement on others. It would be helpful if those who did pass judgment on others shared their own acceptance ratio. I could then tell whether their advice was worth listening to or not. My acceptance ratio is 20% - am I a good judge of what will be accepted or not?

I haven't used the pre-screening thread and I doubt I'll be using the post-screening thread much now either.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:50 pm



Quoting DerekF (Reply 7):
am I a good judge of what will be accepted or not?

Well, I am not saying I am an expert, far from it. And it's always easier to say what is not accepted, and by that spare someone an obvious rejection. I will never say "Sure, that's a killer shot that will be accepted" since I am not a screener,
I have had my fair share of rejections too, and I only have 7 pics in the database, but I can see jaggies, softness and many other faults nevertheless.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:51 pm



Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included

I have to admit I have particpated less in the prescreening threads here since the mods changed the policy and made it a superthread. Just too long and not as orgainzed as before but for the most part I think it is still a good way to get your stuff looked at and get some advice or use the post screening thread as well. Will save you time when you can see if something just needs some more editing or is a bad capture.

Quoting DerekF (Reply 7):
It would be helpful if those who did pass judgment on others shared their own acceptance ratio. I could then tell whether their advice was worth listening to or not

Not sure everyone would like to attach their acceptance ratio to their posts. A quick check in the photographers section will give you a persons number of photos, avg views ect. Then by looking at their work you can see if they know how to use a camera and PS.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:54 pm



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 6):
You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?
The post and pre-screening threads are as good as we make them

Never been a fan of these threads, and judging by the screener input tho those threads neither are they!

But getting back to the original point of the thread - I did have a dip in acceptance when I changed equipment a few months ago but you have to work through it. As long as you learn from your rejections and don't just complain about them then you will go in the right direction. And sure enough I am back up in the 90%'s now.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:07 pm



Quoting Jid (Reply 10):
Never been a fan of these threads, and judging by the screener input tho those threads neither are they!

Dont speak for us please.

Every request we reply to is another dozens images we cant screen. With the high queue we just prioritize.

If someone really disagree with a rejection they can use the appeal function.

The pre-screening threads and post screening threads are not just the responsibility of the screeners, quite the opposite. There always seem to be more people asking questions than answering them on there. Now I see some comments here that people feel they are not qualified enough since they are not screeners, but I think everyone who has images accepted here can make good comments about pictures.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:15 pm

If you feel screening-blue sometimes taking a break from uploading can help or you can always redo the editing.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:31 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
Dont speak for us please.

Tim I was not speaking for you, not quite sure how you derived that? It was purly an observation based on the number of replies from screeners in those two threads. Of course the screening team has priorities elsewhere, I think we all know that.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:03 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
Now I see some comments here that people feel they are not qualified enough since they are not screeners, but I think everyone who has images accepted here can make good comments about pictures.

Tim, we could make comments (by we, I speak for people with few shots in the db) but they are worth nothing regarding acceptance into a.net. I can comment a shot looks great but it can have several flaws that I won't see, because I'm not a screener. The purpose of these threads IMO should be screener input mainly, not the other way around. How can I tell someone that their shot looks jagged when I only have 25 shots in the db? I am certainly not qualified to pass judgment on technical aspect of a picture (unless it's something veeeeery obvious), and needless to say about the creative shots.
I understand screeners' have their hands full, but the mega thread doesn't help, becuase many shots get lost there and never go through a proper pre-screen.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:03 pm

I thought you meant to say we were not fans of those threads while in fact we are since when people both ask questions and answer them it can potentially save us a lot of work

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:38 pm



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 4):
Ha ha... I thought this thread was going to be a complaint about the queue length. Just two months ago it was down to close to 2000, and the wait time for a picture to get screened was 2-3 days max. Now, it's a week-and-a-half wait.

Me too. It has slipped back to that snails-pace that we saw a few months ago and it's growing...errr slowing. I assume right now, everyone is waiting for the new code rewrite before they carry on full speen with many functions of the site. At least I hope...cuz it is long...errr sloooooooow again.  Smile

Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered.

And I knew from the start that it would end up that way. I never saw much good in the idea of having those threads. I respond less to pre/post screening posts because I simply never open those threads. I have posted once or twice in them because I wanted help and since it's now bad form to start your own thread, I'm forced to. But I used to repond more to the requests when they had dedicated threads...the new mega-threads are just too long and everyrhing just gets lost in a mess of requests.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
If someone really disagree with a rejection they can use the appeal function.

I'd like to say something about this comment that we see from screeners all the time. There is a difference between seeking help on a photo and feeling it was incorrectly rejected. Screeners always respond with a similar statement like yours above and sometimes I get the feeling you don't actually read the questions being asked. It's as if, because you have priorities of screening etc, that you just hand us off to the appeal function. I have had this happen via email as well. We don't always ask for post-rejection help because we disagree with the rejection. And when we do follow that advice and it subsequently gets rejected on appeal, the answer still never gets answered.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:00 pm

My acceptance rate has dropped, mostly due to soft rejections. That conincides with my trying to use slower shutter speeds to increase propeller blur. Typically, a string of rejections causes me to recalibrate the monitor, revise my post-processing workflow, or look for some other factor controllable from my end.

Time to dust off the scanner and dig back into the wall of slide boxes.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:09 pm

I appreciate all the responses. In the interest of some feedback, I wonder if someone might have some suggestions for the following two photos (which were my latest rejections)

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/20081112_N66bg_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, level, soft.

I took this photo in a very hilly area, and the ground is not always level, including the ground the aircraft is parked on. I leveled the photo with the vertical of one of the T-hangars in the background. As for the level and soft, I sharpened as much as possible without getting the "jaggies."

Second, and I thought this one might be more of a longshot, but I wanted to get a cockpit shot on here.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ig/20081112_N66bgcpit_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, oversharpened. Any hope of cleaning this one up?

I appreciate all the help.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:40 pm

OSU_av8or - Your thread got me reading, so the least I can do is give you my thoughts:

Though I am not a screener I have participated in the site long enough to develop a decent feel for many of the issues the screeners are looking for. When I opened your first link the quality issue hits you immediately. This is a photo that isn't going to be accepted here for various reasons. The 'easy' bits are the 'level' and 'soft' - level because you immediately sense that the photo is sloping down from left to right, and so needs CCW rotation. Your reference is tricky, so in this type of situation you need to make it 'look' level. You have no verticals in the shot that are anywhere near large enough to be reliable references. I think the softness in the shot is a direct consequence of the original not having the requisite quality. It is pretty soft generally, but nowhere more so than is evident in the windows/cabin of the aircraft.

Quality is always harder to describe. In your example this looks to me to be due to the equipment used to take the photo - it just doesn't look like a DSLR image. Is that correct? That may then be all about pixel density/lens quality etc.

I feel the quality of the second link is a bit better, but still has that look of an original that was somewhat lacking in crisp detail. If there are quality/soft issues with the original, then when you sharpen the image you are in danger of easily getting things to look oversharpened. But in this case I feel the bigger problem is 'soft' once again. Had I been the screener I would have clicked on 'soft' rather than 'oversharpened'.

I hope these comments are of some help.

Paul

P.S. The discussion here about the pre- and post-screening threads has started off a separate thread - so I will not reiterate my thoughts on that here.

[Edited 2008-11-13 11:42:15]
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:06 pm

Paul,

I appreciate your thoughts. You are correct, I do not use a DSLR (one day, but I've got a bit more law school to suffer through first). My Olympus cameras have served me well until recently. I started with a C-700 and am now shooting with a C-740. I've been needing a new camera for years, but just can't justify dropping the money right now on a DSLR for only occasional shooting like I do.

Regarding the second photo. I have always had trouble with cockpit shots, but this is certainly the best I have achieved so far. I focused out the windshield to get the focus and forced the flash to get enough light inside to have a decent picture.

Thanks for your reply.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:32 pm

Looking at your first pic I have to say I would give Fergul's workflow a read you can find it here on the upload page. Firstly work with smaller sizes. 1280 is far too big for this shot. 1024 is fine and get a better ratio. 3 to 2 is much better to start from. I would also crop it a little different and include more of the wing. Second, the shot is not even close to level. As you get used to Fergul's framework in devloping a workflow leveling is very important and once you practice quite easy, but that rejection is valid. Third, the soft rejection is right on its very soft in fact the tail and nose gear look blurry or almost out of focus. I know that fuselage color is hard to get sharp but it is bad quality would have to see the raw capture but it may be fixable.

The cockpit shot does suffer from a bad crop and is leaning badly. The seats hurt it and it seems you needed to just move in a little closer to get a better motive. Not sure this can be saved either.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:53 pm



Quoting OSU_av8or (Reply 18):
I appreciate all the responses. In the interest of some feedback, I wonder if someone might have some suggestions for the following two photos (which were my latest rejections)

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/20081112_N66bg_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, level, soft.

I'd have to agree with the screeners on this one. A re-size might help, but otherwise I'd say there's not much you can do about the quality/softness/(contrast it looks like too). Sorry.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:28 am

A suggestion that is not the answer for many but may be an option for some!
Particularly if you have been uploading for a few years and perhaps even more so if you have uploaded scanned images, consider giving yourself a break from new uploads and consider re-uploads.
A few years ago the acceptance standards were decidedly lower, and I had many hundreds of acceptances which by today’s standards would not make the grade. On one memorable occasion I had 48 acceptances in a single email and no doubt someone can beat this!
I have found the process of re-scanning and careful processing very satisfying but on the other hand I have to say that it is unlikely to result in high numbers of additional views.
Some corrections would not even require a re-scan, e.g. colour cast, grain, sharpness, etc although scans at higher resolutions provide greater potential for higher quality.
Of course some digital images may also benefit from a facelift!
A short sceening time thanks to Gary and an easily achieveble 100% acceptance rate are added benefits.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:24 pm

On a slightly related note, about a month ago we saw extremely fast screening - sometimes 2-3 days. Since then, screening has again slowed. I'm not bitching, I'm just curious as to what is different between then and now?
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:04 pm



Quoting OSU_av8or (Thread starter):
I'm having a streak of bad luck with the screeners.

Happens to us all.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Take a break and grab a brunette like Kelly LeBrock and go drink some bourbon in an old bar in Chicago.

Not a bad idea. Suggestion: Go out and photograph for fun for a while. If you don't you lose the whole reason you're into photography to begin with (one of the lessons I learned since I went professional.)
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:41 pm



Quote:
Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues

I must agree; I'm pretty new to this site, but lately, after about 15 rejections, I've been REALLY discouraged, and have almost stopped shooting. The rejections always just say that the quality is too bad, which is not the case. Anyway, you're not alone with having the Screening Blues.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:25 pm



Quoting 744flyer (Reply 26):
I must agree; I'm pretty new to this site, but lately, after about 15 rejections, I've been REALLY discouraged, and have almost stopped shooting.

Luke, take this from someone with very few pics in the db and a very low acceptance ratio:
Don't let a.net spoil your fun. Rejections suck, they are discouraging and for some I really get pissed off, but I won't stop shooting because of a.net. I might stop uploading here, but I won't stop enjoying going out spotting  Smile

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:29 pm

I think we all have that blues from time to time. My acceptance ratio was down to 10% once. That was a really frustrating time. Now I am at 38% (pretty much the highest I've ever been). But I still get many many many rejections as I am not trying to upload the standard sunny side on shot  Wink
We just need to keep trying, even if it gets frustrating from time to time. Use the Pre- screening thread and ask for advice on the edit. Use the Post- screening thread to get more information or help what can be improved.
The standards here are very high and there are rules we might not understand, but these are the rules and the screener of course follow these rules.
The new (well not too new anymore) creative rule gave us all the opportunity to upload different views of airplanes or different angles, just different pictures. There has been quite some great shots being upload with this rule.

I just hope you keep trying to upload, get help from some pros here on the site, I am sure most of them are willing to help you getting a edit pattern or just some tips and tricks.

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:58 pm

Look at it as a challenge... thats all... whatever everyone says or does, A.net is the best, nothing in aviation competes with it.

Look at the state of the "other" site, they have pictures which are FAR below any good quality on there.

I would never upload there because its fun uploading here! My acceptance ratio is about 34% down from about 80% a year ago.

A.net has taught me to perfect my photography, thats all i can say. The screeners are also brilliant guys who just shy away from the public because the public rarely has good things to say to them, i dont blame them.

Ofcourse, it is frustrating when you wait 10 days for a reject, but hey, thats how it works!!

The thing about a.net it, most of you will not agree with me, but when you go spotting, there are lots of people taking pictures, but you can be assured that only the best will be here. I have great respect for a.net, you may call me an a.net cheerleader, but hey, its taught me so much, why shouldnt i be one?

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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:28 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 24):
On a slightly related note, about a month ago we saw extremely fast screening - sometimes 2-3 days. Since then, screening has again slowed. I'm not bitching, I'm just curious as to what is different between then and now?

This has been discussed before. Some screeners go away on Holiday, some on biz such as Andy is doing now. The screeners are photogs like us and have lives too Chris and can't always sustain the same screening number. I think we have seen here that we can't expect to have our pics screened in two days all the time. It is also a volunteer basis. What does it matter?

Quoting 744flyer (Reply 26):
I must agree; I'm pretty new to this site, but lately, after about 15 rejections, I've been REALLY discouraged, and have almost stopped shooting. The rejections always just say that the quality is too bad, which is not the case. Anyway, you're not alone with having the Screening Blues

Happens to all of us. Hang in there and post some shots for us to see and helo you.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 27):
Don't let a.net spoil your fun. Rejections suck, they are discouraging and for some I really get pissed off, but I won't stop shooting because of a.net. I might stop uploading here, but I won't stop enjoying going out spotting

Why not both? We all take shots we love that we know won't make the grade here. Doesn't mean to stop uploading. I edited a shot I took in LAS that I love but know it prob won't make it here. I put it on my desktop and enjoy it that way. (It also reminds me how soon I will be out there with Dave soon!)  biggrin 

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 29):
Look at it as a challenge... thats all... whatever everyone says or does, A.net is the best, nothing in aviation competes with it.

Look at the state of the "other" site, they have pictures which are FAR below any good quality on there.

I would never upload there because its fun uploading here! My acceptance ratio is about 34% down from about 80% a year ago.

A.net has taught me to perfect my photography, thats all i can say. The screeners are also brilliant guys who just shy away from the public because the public rarely has good things to say to them, i dont blame them.

Ofcourse, it is frustrating when you wait 10 days for a reject, but hey, thats how it works!!

The thing about a.net it, most of you will not agree with me, but when you go spotting, there are lots of people taking pictures, but you can be assured that only the best will be here. I have great respect for a.net, you may call me an a.net cheerleader, but hey, its taught me so much, why shouldnt i be one?

NIcely said but you may have just opened a can of worms.  crazy 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting OSU_av8or (Thread starter):
The only problem is the last 10-15 shots I have uploaded didn't pass muster.

Don't take it too hard... I've had all 14 of my submissions rejected.
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
Why not both? We all take shots we love that we know won't make the grade here. Doesn't mean to stop uploading

No, but I was replying to 744flyer who was saying that he felt so discouraged by rejection that he was barely shooting alltogether. And if that's what a rejection is going to cause, then stop uploading, at least until you get the fun back at simply taking pictures. Many times the best shots of a session come out when you're not looking for the anet shot, and yet somehow you get it. Shoot first for yourself, then see if and where to upload  Smile

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 29):
Look at the state of the "other" site, they have pictures which are FAR below any good quality on there.

Believe me I can prove the contrary with some shots shown here. It's many times a matter of taste, and although both sites have their twist, they are both great places to look for great shots. That doesn't mean all shots in them are great. And bte even I've had shots rejected there and accepted here  Wink
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dlowwa
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:34 pm



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 29):
A.net has taught me to perfect my photography, thats all i can say. The screeners are also brilliant guys who just shy away from the public because the public rarely has good things to say to them, i dont blame them.

Coming from a photography background with a mild interest in aviation, and having begun to focus on aviation photography in just the past year, I'd agree that the rejections, while angering me sometimes, have definitely made me perfect the technical aspects of my photography. Never before have I been as conscious of color casts, contrast levels, leveling, and so on. So for each rejection that annoyed me at the time, I'm grateful that they have forced me to hone my technical skills.

I say technical, because photography is not just about sharpness, levels, etc..., but also about personal preferences, tastes, and impressions- things that no screener would ever be able to judge other than to their own taste. That's the great (or worst for some) thing about submitting photos here, the screeners are judging purely your technical abilities ('creative' shots notwithstanding), and that's because it's almost impossible to judge other aspects of a photo beyond one's own personal taste. I've taken what I've learned here (from rejections), and applied it to other areas of my photography as well, and am much better off for it. That's what I suggest to anyone who's getting frustrated over too many rejections: learn from them, improve, and then the rejections will have to some extent become a positive.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 30):
This has been discussed before. Some screeners go away on Holiday, some on biz such as Andy is doing now. The screeners are photogs like us and have lives too Chris and can't always sustain the same screening number. I think we have seen here that we can't expect to have our pics screened in two days all the time. It is also a volunteer basis. What does it matter?

Given how much free time I spend (read: waste  Wink ) perusing the database/forums here, I wish there was some way I could put that time to better use to help the screeners when they get behind (other than by making sure I only submit technically sound shots...)
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:04 pm

I am not good in explaining my thoughts and giving my opinion. But this time I give it a try.

About 3 years ago i bought myself a DSLR because of the birth of my daughter. When started making pictures I was disappointed about the softness of the pictures, even if taken with L-lenses.
In that period I started visiting anet more often. How did the photographers get such quality pictures ? Then I found out how important the processing of the pictures was. An anet photographer was so kind to pre-screen my pictures. By uploading some new general-aviation registrations I started to understand the “secrets” of getting pictures accepted.

From anet I learnt how to get good quality. Quality is important ! A picture must feel good to look at.

Now I only upload pictures to anet which I really like. I want anet to have a collection of my best. The rest (3rd best) goes to flickr.

Recently, and in the past, I had a couple of rejections with respect to double/motive/center. The screeners helped me explaining them in relation to the anet rules. Basically I understand it. But in the present commercial environment, with a lot of boring side-on’s being accepted, I don’t understand the rigidity of the screening process; this is still a secret to me. Is the controllability of the screening process the main goal of screening team ?

Now I have a couple of pictures which I consider to be of my best, which anet rejects. I call them 2nd best and I am looking for a place to put them. Any tips ?

I have a picture on flickr which had hundreds of viewers in minutes-time. I wasn’t too excited when I took it. But obviously the viewers liked it. I just don’t take the time to optimize it for anet , because I am afraid for screening result. Which is ridiculous in this commercial environment.

Last Friday a picture of mine, called “Choo choo !”, was accepted. Guess what happened: anet shows somebody elses boring side-on in small and medium format.

My last remark. The quality of our pictures are judged with “microscopes”. But the quality of the site is still not good, and the time-aspect of the screening process not either (status last Friday).

Visualizing the screening process:

 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:05 am

I had an unbelievable number of rejections (mainly because I wasn't well versed with the screening process at that time) before a fellow spotter friend suggested that I invest in a DSLR. Invest I did, but it took me another 6 months after that to get my first acceptance here on A.net. This was a year-and-a-half ago. Over this time, I learnt the intricacies of the screening process, and worked on my rejections to improve my photography and Photoshop skills.

Interacting with fellow spotters has also helped me tremendously, most notably, Paul Markman, who has been so kind as to share his incredible wealth of knowledge on photography and Photoshop with me and guide me to work on improving my flaws. There are people here who will be happy to help you out, you just need to ask them!

Rejections and acceptances will come and go, but if you are really passionate about spotting, motivation should never be a problem, case in point being me. As someone has already stated here, spot for the fun of it, because you enjoy it...and not just because you want your shots to get accepted here.

Cheers!

Sunandan
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:40 am

Yeah it gets frustrating, I have much better luck at the other sites that I upload to, sometimes I think a.net has lost it's way. This site started out as a hobbyist/enthusiast site, now they seem to screen the photos as if most of us are paid professionals shooting with 1D series cameras and L glass! Here are two of my latest rejections for being soft, I'll see if i can't improve them some more.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20081115_CRW_0078.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20081115_CRW_0069.JPG
 
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:14 am



Quoting RomeoKC10FE (Reply 36):
I think a.net has lost it's way

Why because they have high standards?

Your shots are soft. Why are you uploading at 1600? Get that down to 1024 and you will have much better luck. Second shot the nose looks a little blurry as well. At 1600 you have to be dead on or each flaw is magnified.
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ruudb
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:17 am

I agree with you, the shots are soft and why change the standards of the site, if you want to have your pictures on the web, upload to MyAviation or to sites with no standards. Or take a deep breath and continue to learn, after a while you will see your level is changing and your pictures will be accepted. I think the last option is the best, because you will learn a lot about photography and editing. And if you did, you will see the quality of your pictures you upload now just don't match with the ones in the database. So stop complaining, just try to find out where and how you can improve.
 
romeokc10fe
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RE: Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting Ruudb (Reply 38):
So stop complaining, just try to find out where and how you can improve.

Oh, so because I have an opinion I'm complaining, man I'm glad I live in the good ole' USA where we have freedom of speech. I believe I ended my post by saying I would try to improve the shots, so what's your point, I guess you're one those folks that think because everyone doesn't agree with a.net they are are complainers. Everyone has an opinion whether you agree or not, that's what makes us individuals and that's what makes the world such a great place.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):
Your shots are soft. Why are you uploading at 1600? Get that down to 1024 and you will have much better luck. Second shot the nose looks a little blurry as well. At 1600 you have to be dead on or each flaw is magnified.

Thanks NIKV69, I'll try that.

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