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Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:39 pm

Are Screener comments on rejected photo,s a thing of the past
 
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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:06 pm

Didn't get any personals recently. But I got a few occasionally.

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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:11 pm

I get some from time to time. Not too often though. But usually it is clear what's wrong with the picture as stated in the rejection reason. Only if some special comment is required it will be added.

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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:22 pm

I got one 4 days ago (explaining that the re-edited shot was still soft in some areas).

Always nice to get a personal note with the rejection, and much appreciated!

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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:35 pm

Usually all my 'level' and 'dirty' rejections are accompanied by a screener's comment.

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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:18 pm

Comments are helpful for contrast rejections, ie, too little or too much.
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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:53 pm

I still get them when warranted.
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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:59 pm

Hardly any comments .. once or twice in the last few months. Not even after appealing. I think a few words in rejections would help a lot to know what the screener is seeing, but oh well ...
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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:40 pm

I get one every once in a while. Had one 2 days ago for a shot that was rejected for level, saying that it needs CW rotation. No matter how short the message is, it's always helpful.
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RE: Screener Comments

Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:53 pm

Quoting Harley (Thread starter):
Are Screener comments on rejected photo ... a thing of the past

Same here. Very few recently; none when IMHO they are most needed - 'motive' rejections, for example.

No wonder when the screeners have to do the "firefighting" trying to reduce the queue that has been getting out of hand again. Apparently, no time for comments.

[Edited 2008-11-25 16:01:51]
 
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RE: Screener Comments

Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:58 am

Have had quite a few rejections in the last couple of weeks, also several screener comments which have tended to be for the 'borderline' rejections which have encouraged me to make changes which should result in the photos then being accepted. Always appreciated  Smile

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RE: Screener Comments

Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:27 am

My last batch of rejections had no comments at all - shame really as they are generally useful.

Quoting Chukcha (Reply 9):
Same here. Very few recently; none when IMHO they are most needed - 'motive' rejections, for example.

I had a motive rejection that was rejected on appeal without comment so I have no idea what is wrong. The post-screening thread was no use either.
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RE: Screener Comments

Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:02 pm



Quoting DerekF (Reply 11):
I had a motive rejection that was rejected on appeal without comment

Join the club  Sad ... I received three rejections for 'motive' with no comments within a couple of weeks. I appealed one of them, and it was rejected again (needless to say - no comment), and another one is still in the appeal queue. Most likely, will be rejected in the same fashion.

The problem is that most of the time I do understand why my pictures are rejected. With these three I don't, so the silence on the screener's end doesn't help.

When they do write something, even rejected, you feel like you are being treated like a person. When they don't, especially when the rejection reason is not exactly clear-cut, you feel just like a discarded number in the queue. Like, "Why rejected?? Are you dumb or what? Can't you see it for yourself? It is bloody obvious!!!"

Then again, maybe it is just me.
 
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RE: Screener Comments

Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:04 pm

I will get them from time to time mostly when there is a quick-fix and a suggestion to re-upload afterwards.
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RE: Screener Comments

Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:28 pm

I appreciate comments in rejects always but specially in :

- Dust spots : location (upper righ corner)

- Level : only CW or CCW is vvery useful

- Contrast : too high, too low

- Soft : if picture is sharp except a little portion as tail, nose, etc.

Normally I have 1 or 2 comments by 10 rejects, I'll be happy if more comments but I understand screeners and the extra work for this.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:21 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
I still get them when warranted

Always try to add a comment when the shot warrants it. It tends to be shots that are rare/new or something interesting that is worth saving.

Quoting Michlis (Reply 13):
It is bloody obvious!!!"

And then as Michlis said we have the obvious rejections!

I would love to add a comment to all my rejections but no need on 90% as the rejection reasons say it all.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:39 am

I get quite a few screener comments with my rejections. No complaints there. thumbsup 

When I appeal a rejection, however (I rarely do, so this is not based on a lot of evidence) and the photo is rejected again for the same reason, I rarely seem to get a word of explanation and I think that's a pity. Obviously, I'm at a loss with the rejection or I wouldn't have appealed.

Peter Smile

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RE: Screener Comments

Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:50 am

I had two photos rejected for "level" in the last 24 hours.

In both cases, I re-checked my editting work, found the lamp posts perfectly vertical. So... I appealed. Lost again, and in both cases with no additional guidance from our esteemed "screeners".

However, moderators have been very quick and efficient at deleting my posts on the subject as having been posted in the "wrong place" or "off topic". Let's see how long this one lasts!

And as said, and perfectly ON TOPIC, neither the original screener nore the 'head screener' on appeal left ANY extra info as to what they looked at to make their judgements.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:00 am

Getting a level rejection without a comment is probably one of the worst.With no indication of what the screener is leveling to (obviously not what you choose) you're in a sorta of no win situation.I wonder how many great shots never resurface for fear of another rejection.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:29 pm

Just a few days ago I got a motiv rejection with a direct pin-point personal explanation. Thank you very much for that. More please  Smile but not rejections Big grin

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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:32 am

Just had 13 rejections out of 20 uploaded - (7 still in screening which I expect to get rejected anyway) and no comments at all - it really isn't very helpful. Many were rejected previously due to a database cock-up the other week and reuploaded as instructed - what a waste of time  Angry
Comments would be a great help as I don't understand many of the rejections and without an explanation there is no point in reuploading.

I think a comment should be compulsory on things like level, motive and contrast.
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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:11 am



Quoting DerekF (Reply 20):
I think a comment should be compulsory on things like level, motive and contrast.

Erm, WHY?

Put yourself in the shoes of a screener. You have a minimum amount of photos to screen each day to balance with the pressures of family and normal day-to-day issues. Do you think you would provide an exact comment for every rejection when the automated script conveys the message.

I'll help...

Level = Level (not so straight, needs levelling)
Motive = Great picture not for this site (nothing can be done)
Contrast = Contrast (look at the histogram)

On a positive note I have recently received a screener comment that was helpful in addition to the automated script. I appreciate the time and effort spend by our volunteer screeners.

If you are getting 13/20 rejected I would look at improving your photography or camera processing technique rather than bashing the site.
 
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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:09 pm



Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
I'll help...

Level = Level (not so straight, needs levelling)
Motive = Great picture not for this site (nothing can be done)
Contrast = Contrast (look at the histogram)

Sarcasm never looks great in print.
Instead of a level tick box why not level CW or ACW, instead of contrast have a too much or too little contrast rejection. Those are the sort of things that are asked frequently in rejection threads.

Motive should have an explanation - when you get identical motives accepted and rejected I can only assume it is down the screener's personal taste and that isn't helpful at all.

Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
On a positive note I have recently received a screener comment that was helpful in addition to the automated script. I appreciate the time and effort spend by our volunteer screeners.

Lucky you - I have had no screener comments in 16 rejections out of 20.
I will edit the pictures accordingly and have another go at getting them rejected for something else.

Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
If you are getting 13/20 rejected I would look at improving your photography or camera processing technique rather than bashing the site.

You saved the best til last. I can only assume you have seen my rejected photos to make a remark like that.
I have an idea - if I got some comments then that might help " improving your photography or camera processing technique"

Bashing the site? What crap - if you can't say anything constructive - say nothing at all.
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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:30 pm

Hello

Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
will edit the pictures accordingly and have another go at getting them rejected for something else.



Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
Sarcasm never looks great in print.

Yes, I agree!

Regards

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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:12 pm

Derek

Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
Lucky you - I have had no screener comments in 16 rejections out of 20.

Maybe if you start treating the screeners with respect they will help you out by adding comments. Everything you say on the forum is always negative. I would probably have to search back some months or even years for anything positive. Screeners are encouraged to add personal comments whenever they can but they are not 'contracted' to do so on all image rejections.

I have lost count the numbers of personal comments I have added with rejections today and even had some feedback as to how much they are appreciated. Yes, I do add my name and mail address to some comments if they want additional help.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:12 pm



Quoting Granite (Reply 24):
I have lost count the numbers of personal comments I have added with rejections today and even had some feedback as to how much they are appreciated.

And my point is out of 16 rejections - no comments at all - no clues - some of the rejections are marginal at best and if I got any comments I'm sure I would be appreciative and in fact said so in reply 11 here.

Quoting Granite (Reply 24):
Everything you say on the forum is always negative. I would probably have to search back some months or even years for anything positive

I could go to some of posts when the site was in trouble a few months ago when many were threatening to leave and when I offered support but I guess you choose to ignore that.

The suggestions I've made in Site-related - ignored as usual

I could point you to reply 22 in this very thread where I offered suggestions as to how rejections could be made more informative -you've chosen to ignore that too.

Reply 11 in this thread where I say that comments are useful

I could go on..........

Your reply is disappointing coming from a head screener as I have uploaded and supported this site for over 8 years. I guess over 1400 photos and 3 million views count for nothing in terms of respect either.

What a shame.  Sad
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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:18 pm

Hi all,
seems to be an interesting discussion going on, let me join the party.
With an acceptance rate of about 50% to 60% (mainly 'boosted' by my older stuff) I'm getting a fair amount of rejections. I also receive a fair amount of personal notes by the screeners, which I very much appreciate, because the workload is quite high on the other end and the comments usually really help to work on the issues (location of border or dust spots).
Maybe Demand Media should help the screeners here and add some more info to the reject buttons, so they don't have to write the comments by themselves.

For example I've got this rejected for contrast and dark and the screener included: 'Shot is hard to read.'

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...2_N7715C_F22_LSV_20080811_3803.jpg

I'm accepting his statement, although I have a different opinion, how often do you see a P-51 Mustang in front of a F-22 Raptor. But sometimes we tend to view our own pics through some pink glass.

But sometimes I am a bit lost, too.
As I'm a big fan of the oversharpened rejections (maybe I need new glasses Wink), I've got this one rejected for 'soft' with no comment.
I posted it in the past screening thread as I didn't know which area to sharpen, because in my opinion the shot is close before oversharpening and got confirmation there.
I appealed and stated the reason I'm appealing only to get it rejected 'soft' again within minutes with no personal note. Sad at least it was quickly handled....

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...eady/N925AU_SBD_20062710_2354c.jpg

Furthermore I'd like to say, I very much appreciate the screening process concerning the older stuff I'm trying to add to the database, many are accepted within a rather short time and it looks like often as a direct add.  Smile

I guess, as long as the screeners do not get some help from the web-site (DM) concerning the comments, we all have to live with rejections with no comments added and from own experience I admit, sometimes there is really no comment needed.
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RE: Screener Comments

Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:31 pm

This is the reason why I gave up uploading for a while now.
I had a picture a couple of weeks ago and added in the comments block that this picture is probably the only time a Tornado IDS of FBW 32 can be seen with a live firing Kormoran 2 missile.
The picture was rejected for level - no comment. And I spent quite a good amount of time levelling the shot.
I put it in the post screening thread and only two users and no screeners answered.
I very thouroughly looked into it again and came up with 0.02 degree counterclockwise rotation, but with no feedback before on a one time opportunity I kind of feel repelled.

Just my 2ct.

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RE: Screener Comments

Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:33 am

Quoting Granite (Reply 24):

Maybe if you start treating the screeners with respect they will help you out by adding comments.

Gary, can you honestly say the same about me - that I don't treat screeners with enough respect? Or that my posts are always negative, for that matter?

I consider myself a fairly experienced uploader, but some of rejections really do make me scratch my head, like some 'level' rejections on difficult to level shots or some 'contrast' ones, when the deficiency of the shot that 'tipped' screener's 'scale', is so slight that it takes a long while to figure out - too much contrast or too little? CW or CCW?

But especially irritating are the 'motive' rejections, when very similar shots get accepted, and you have no idea what you did wrong and whether the shot is salvageable at all. You appeal, and your appeal is rejected, again with no comment.

It seems to me that with the introduction of the new "creative" rule, it has become actually harder to get any unusual shot accepted. It looks like every tight crop, any close-up, any unusual angle get scrutinised in terms of 'creativity', and if in the eyes of just one screener it doesn't qualify for a 'masterpiece', it gets axed. It appears to me that the pictures that would have been accepted before, under the new rule aren't. In one of the threads here I argued with some people on the forum on the subject of screeners favouritism. Their point was that when 'creative shots get accepted or otherwise, it depends on who uploaded the photo. I actually defended the screeners' side. I'm really starting having my second thoughts now - and I usually don't jump to conclusions in a hurry.

Anyway, back on the subject - if a shot gets rejected for 'motive - it would be very, very helpful of you guys to drop a hint why.

Regards,
Andrei

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