varig767
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When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:36 pm

Hi to everyone!

I 've had a picture of PH-BXR @ AMS rejected for 'common' and 'colour'. There are 80 photo's of this plane in the database and 33 of them are made @ AMS. Without judging the screener's decision (therefore, I didn't include the rejected photo), is there some (unwritten?) guideline I can follow for estimating the chance the picture can be rejected for common? In other words, when is common common??

kind regards, Martijn

[Edited 2008-12-22 12:45:14]
 
oly720man
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:51 pm



Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
is there some (unwritten?) guideline I can follow for estimating the chance the picture can be rejected for common?

Here's the (written) guideline.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/reasons.php


COMMON
The aircraft depicted in your photos was very common in the Airliners.net database, with many photos of this aircraft already present on the website.

In this case the standards for acceptance are higher than for aircraft of which we have fewer or no photographs on the database, and only photos of exceptional quality will be accepted.

Please understand that this is not a judgement on your abilities, as your picture may be of a technical quality which may be very decent. However, due to the common nature of the aircraft photographed, the highest standard is applied to avoid substantial duplication.

When uploading you should always check our database for the amount of photos we have of the particular aircraft you are uploading. If a particular aircraft or registration is common in our database, you may increase the likelihood your photos of it will be accepted by photographing it from an unusual angle, under exceptional lighting conditions, or with interesting scenery in the background.


Basically if your photo looks very much like others already accepted then you'll need to have the highest quality.

And with KLM aircraft at AMS you're going to find few aircraft that aren't well represented in the db - the recent deliveries, E190, B773 will give you the best chances without having to find a new angle for the older aircraft.
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varig767
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:07 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Basically if your photo looks very much like others already accepted then you'll need to have the highest quality

So it is not just about the amount of pictures, but also the angle or other characteristics of the picture. That is helpful, thank you.

regards, Martijn
 
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:09 pm

Also, common is usually given together with 1 (or more) rejection reasons. In your case this was together with colour.
I think once an aircraft has near 100 photos in the DB, you risk getting common.
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dlowwa
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:22 pm

My take of the 'common' rejection is that it will be used alongside any other slight flaw to give reason for the rejection.

i.e. Even though there may be many other shots of a given plane/reg., even from the same location (any KL at AMS, for example), if the photo is technically perfect (no issues with colour/contrast/etc...) it will be accepted.

If, however, there is some small flaw (colour in your case) that might be overlooked if the plane was UNcommon, the screeners will add 'common' to the rejection reasons.

I don't know if that makes sense, but basically, I've never had a photo rejected for "common' alone, but always in conjunction with some other flaw. So, if your shot was an uncommon plane with a slight colour problem, (probably) accepted, but a common plane with the same colour problem, rejected.

Please, anyone correct me if my interpretation/experience is not correct.
 
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:44 pm



Quoting Varig767 (Reply 2):
So it is not just about the amount of pictures, but also the angle or other characteristics of the picture

Yes, that's about it. You can have a side on view of the aircaft, but it will be "different" if it's in the air, landing, taking off, cloudy, sunny, etc. The background can add interest to the photo. Then there are the locations you take the photo from and the angle of the aircraft in the photo.

At many major airports there are a limited number of photo locations - if only because some locations give better photos than others - and the number of photographers can mean that some aircraft will, inevitably, be photographed quite regularly.
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RE: When Is Common 'common'?

Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:44 am

Hi.

Funny how, according to this info:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...081211-biggest-brightest-moon.html
A picture of mine showing this very special moon and an extra bright blue sky was rejected aplying the "common" guideline. The aircraft has 61 pictures here. The screeners were informed about it

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