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Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:57 am

Dear photographers,

Many of you have mentioned these past few days that you would like to abandon the concept of the rejections and pre-screening mega threads. The screeners are aware of the disadvantages of these threads, they are not as effective as individual posts and do not invite user participation.

However, a few months ago we switched to the current format because many people were complaining the forum consisted of nothing but rejection and pre-screening threads. On their request we started the pre-screening threads.

We want this forum to work for you, but we dont want to switch back and forth every month. We therefore would like to collect as many opinions as we can on this, so we can come to an informed decision.

We therefore would like to make this thread a poll. If you want to switch back to individual threads then please start your post with "individual threads" as the first sentence. If you want to keep it way it is now please start your post with "mega-threads". You probably need to use more text to fill the post. So after starting a new paragraph please add a key point to explain your choice.

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:11 am



Quoting Moderators (Thread starter):
However, a few months ago we switched to the current format because many people were complaining the forum consisted of nothing but rejection and pre-screening threads. On their request we started the pre-screening threads.

Isn't that a key reason this forum exists? How is someone supposed to improve? You have to realize that to get a picture accpeted here for a newbie is very hard and they are the ones who are joining this site and are basically the future of it. Just because some people bitched (and I would venture to say these were veterans who don't need help and rarely participate in the help threads) was not a reason to go to meagthreads IMO.

As for the poll I hate the megathreads and my particpation in helping people with captures and post processing has basically been little or nothing. To open a thread with 200 plus replies and try to follow what picture, who has made a comment etc is insane. It would clearly be better to have users start their own threads and let us render our help that way. Sure it would have to to be moderated more but I think more people help and more quickly.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:22 am

individual threads

Limit it to one or two per 24 hours so people are not posting hundreds...

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:28 am

Individual Threads   

Almost all of my knowledge of photography has come from this forum, and the fact that I have been able to spread and apply that knowledge in many other areas of photography shows how powerful a tool this forum can be.

Since the mega threads were implemented, I have seen a decline in members helping each other out and offering constructive advice. I posted one or two photos in the mega threads, but they received little attention. The next reply after someone posts a pic for pre screening is usually another person posting one asking "how about this one?" and so on. Then the threads grow to 200+ replies and at that point I don't even bother. I would love to help others and engage in pre screening others' photos. But I have no interest in clicking those mega threads. At least with individual threads, assuming the topic title is specific enough, I can evaluate whether or not I might be able to help and from there check out the thread.

I say bring back the individual threads, but set some very strict guidlines. I have no interest in screening something when the poster only asks "how is this one?". Personally when I have something to be pre-screened, I point out one or two specific areas of the photo I would like some extra sets of eyes to check out. So as long as they involve requests for specific help, then I'm all for bringing back individual threads!

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:35 am

individual threads

the mega ones take too long to download and its hard to tell the advice people are giving refers to what photo
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:24 am

I guess I'll be the odd one out and say I prefer the mega-threads. They do keep the forum less cluttered, and I for one don't mind sifting through and offering advice.

I don't think it's too hard to follow which advice corresponds to which photo, unless maybe your attention span is really short. You may have to scroll up and down a few times, but it's not really that hard. Can you honestly say you've gotten lost in one of those threads?

I do, however, believe that the thread length should be limited to say, 50-100 replies maximum, as it does take a long time to load, considering many of the posts have multiple pics in them.

For those of you who think/hope that more attention will be given to individual threads, don't count on it. Whereas presently those who can't be bothered to open the mega threads will just pass them by, I believe multiple threads all asking "how's this one?", "is this good enough?", "what's wrong with this?", "what's your opinion on these?" are likely to engender just as much apathy (i.e. one or two answers) as they do in the mega-threads. All of you who aren't interested in opening the mega-threads, are you really going to open and respond helpfully to every "what do you think about my pictures" thread?

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 3):
I have no interest in screening something when the poster only asks "how is this one?". Personally when I have something to be pre-screened, I point out one or two specific areas of the photo I would like some extra sets of eyes to check out.

Very good point, but as someone who has recently been trying to do the best I can offering help in the mega-threads, I think you would be in the minority. The vast majority of the queries in the mega-threads are of the "how's this?" variety, not asking for any specific input. In your case, if you're looking for specific input, I think it reasonable to start your own thread, but where to draw the line between what warrants its own thread and what should then stay in the mega-thread would be difficult to distinguish.

More debate/options/opinions are needed I think.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:39 am



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 5):
The vast majority of the queries in the mega-threads are of the "how's this?" variety, not asking for any specific input.

The vast majority of the old individual threads were of the "how's this" variety and that was what bothered enough users that mega-threads were proposed. At some point people need to gain enough confidence to upload a shot without having to ask "hows this?" every time. It should be a learning process. A screener even commented back then that refused to look at such a request...or something along that line.

Whether it's a mega thread or individual threads, I think many would be a lot more accepting either way if it was a lot less about "Hows this?", "This?", "What about this?". It didn't take me a year or two years to get my first acceptance (like I read from so many users). Through the process of specific pre-screening, I actually learned what it takes.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:12 am

I like the idea of the mega-threads because it puts it all in one place, and people who want to post can see input on other images as well. However, I agree that there isn't nearly as much feedback as there is in individual threads. A portion of the comments I see consist of either 1) non-descript responses, or 2) people asking if anyone looked at their pictures.
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:26 am

There are pros and cons with both solutions but I am leaning towards individual threads.

One thread per user, with deletion of a thread after a certain time. OP has to put DELETE as final post in the thread to indicate it can be removed by mods before starting a new one.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:57 am

Individual threads.

With the OP being able to, and obliged to, delete the thread after being helped with the photo/s.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:14 am

Individual threads for me.....

I think the key question here is, are the mega-threads helping everyone who posts in them? No, is the straight answer, which means many are not benefitting from them and they therefore aren't functioning properly.

I've frequently been confused by which pieces of advice belong to which photo, and I've also frequently seen images which have been more-or-less ignored, despite the poster asking a sensible question. Such is the volume of images/questions that many offer assistance in the form of one-word or one-sentence answers, which often are not helpful at all.

When the threads were individual I contributed quite a bit, but rarely do these days because it's such a gargantuan task sifting through sometimes 200+ posts. There was a lot of moaning about the individual threads but they were (nearly) always clearly marked as pre- or post-screen threads, and if folks didn't want to read them they had the choice not to open them. I'm afraid many opened every one then moaned about it, which wasn't exactly fair.

And so we now have moaning about the current method, and no doubt there'll be moaning about reverting back to the old system, but at least now we've all had experience with both and can make an educated decision.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:11 am

110% individual threads.

I also agree that some limitations could be put in place, to avoid same users abusing the function, but even if that is not put in place, the mega threads are mostly useless.
and yes, the forum will have tons of new threads, but it's simple, if you don't want it to bother, don't open the thread (maybe these threads should be obliged to have a celar Pre screen or post screen title so everyone knows what they're about?)

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:12 am

Individual Threads (PROVIDED)

The ones to which help has been given should be locked and perhaps deleted instantly!

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:34 am

Individual threads please.

Better participation, better discussions, better advice = more educational not just for the person requesting help but for all.

Also, a more relaxed atmosphere in individual threads, room for a laugh, an opportunity to learn to know each other and each other's work better, strengthening the community.

Given the limited activity in this forum, I don't think the number of threads was ever a real problem. My feeling is that people were probably complaining about the lack of other threads - something the megathreads can't solve.

Still, the number of threads can be kept low by allowing only one thread per photograper at a time.

Suggestion for a thread naming convention if individual threads are allowed to come back: thread names should start with 'My Photos -' 'Pre- and post-screening' sounds so mechanical, as if we aren't doing this for fun, and the difference between the two actually isn't terribly relevant.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:30 am

Individual threads.

The mega threads are just ineffective and do not signify what this forum (partly) is, a place for help.

Guys please be clear on what your choice is, if not we cant count your vote.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:32 am

Individual threads please.
May be a separate forum for Pre/Post screening?
Photos seem to get lost in the big threads.....and you could not easly find responces to your requests!
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:33 am

Individual threads

- guarantees getting the necessary critique by several photographers for new and more experienced uploaders

- will ultimately reduce the number of shots being uploaded which are unlikely to make the cut

- currently feedback on the mega-threads is low, due time to load a thread and the large number of shots for review in the same thread (shots get lost in the thread easily).

- no more than one more thread per person at a time. Lock thread (rather than delete) once original poster acknowledges having read feedback.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:35 am

Individual Threads

The mega threads are no longer working. The general idea behind the mega threads was ok, however in practice may be not so.

Each user should be limited to a max of 10 photos per thread, and only 1 thread per user allowed to be active at any given time. I don't agree with the suggestion to delete a thread after advice has been given - the OP may not have had time to read the advice before the thread is deleted.

Another thing I noticed - last week there was a post from the screening team giving examples of Contrast rejections, and how to correct the contrast in an image. This appeared to be useful for newer members. Is there a way to either:

a) Make that thread a sticky and any other helpful editing technique threads from the screeners or

b) Put the advice into a PDF that is linked and can be downloaded from the site.
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:39 am



Quoting McG1967 (Reply 17):
I don't agree with the suggestion to delete a thread after advice has been given - the OP may not have had time to read the advice before the thread is deleted.

I agree, but more importantly the thread may contain information of useful value to others so having it available for read at a later time would be important in my opinion.

+1 for lock, not delete.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:41 am

Individual Threads,

the only ones that are helpful...
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:51 am



Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 18):
+1 for lock, not delete.

Add me there too

+2 for lock  Wink

seems like the individual threads so far is a large majority  Smile

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:18 am

Individual threads

I think the problem that started the two mega-threads was not the amount of opinion requiring threads but the quality of these ones. There were a lot of threads looking for advise on bad pictures wich had much to learn about photography principles instead of picture editing.
As many others said, I've learned a lot on this forum sailing through the individual threads and posting mines as well.
Another suggestion i want to make is to bring back the masterclasses. Tons of shared knowledge here.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:26 am

Indivudual Threads

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 18):
I agree, but more importantly the thread may contain information of useful value to others so having it available for read at a later time would be important in my opinion.

+3 for lock do not delete

Whilst I vote for individual threads I am not a fan of the "How is this..?" thread and tend to ignore them but if the photographer is prepared to discuss how the photo was taken, the conditions etc and what steps they had taken in post processing to get the result they have. I and I am sure many others will be prepared to discuss and assist.


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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:40 am

I'm more inclined to individual threads with a restriction on the number of photos at one time. I don't know about the logistics of a separate forum, Photo Processing or Photo Editing for example, to avoid the Photography forum itself being swamped by lots of individual threads; the original reason for the mega threads.

Locking threads is desirable because the advice is useful, though there are obvious problems if the photo in question or any subsequent edits/suggested alterations are deleted and can't be seen - one of my pet gripes. Maybe leave this to the discretion of the poster. If it's an "any chance?" "no" sort of thread then perhaps it can be deleted.

It may also be useful to collect together all the various links about how to process images and have them in a sticky thread so they are easily accessible. Or, perhaps have "Photography articles" along side the "Aviation articles" at the top of the page (if it fits)
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:10 pm

Individual threads

With a limit of 1 per 24hours, the megathreads are just to hard to follow.
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:59 pm

Individual threads.

IMHO,

(1) A sub-forum in this forum for pre and post screening threads that would keep the main forum clean of clutter.

or

(2) One thread per month for *each user* where all the pre-screening and post-rejection analyses can be done for that users' photos. Easy to keep track of the threads and easy to offer/accept advice.
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:49 pm

Individual threads.

But would have to be implemented with clear rules, say a particular header so that everybody can recognize them as such, max number of pics per thread (say 4?), limited number of such threads per user (say 2/week?), and thread should be locked by request of the thread starter after enough advice has been received.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:41 pm

4 images max sounds good, but not per day. Rather 4 active images to discuss, when one is dealt with and done another can be added. Otherwise you can add 120 images a month and some people expect an answer to each and every one
And some restrictions regarding "Bump" is also necessary.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:16 pm

I suggest 2/3 images for pre-screen every queue period. Say, if the queue is 4 days, you can ask for pre-screen of 2 images every four days. Or one picture, it's up to the moderators!
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:20 pm

I would propose another approach.

How about collecting what has been in the megathreads into a sort of an "Upload advice" forum and keep the rest the way it is. Then everyone can have his/her own thread and people can respond to the individual poster just like in the old days. Those who don't want to bother are probably those who did not open the megathreads anyway. This might just solve both problems and keep the photography forum free of these "how is this" threads. Just find a good name for the pre/post screening forum, probably not "Upload advice forum".

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:26 pm

Individual Threads

I have not looked at one mega thread since the idea was started. Too much to sift through.

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:39 pm



Quoting Stil (Reply 21):
There were a lot of threads looking for advise on bad pictures wich had much to learn about photography principles instead of picture editing

Indeed there were, and often I would just put something like, "Look around this site and compare your photo to those already accepted". Usually folks would click in but others would respond by saying things like, "What's wrong with my photo? It looks the same as that one in the database" when in fact it looked nothing like. I remember a newbie posting an awful window view image - blurry, under-exposed, distracting composition, etc. - and comparing it to a lovely window view already in the database. He seemed to think that, just 'cos it was a window view, it looked exactly like those hosted here. We'll awlays get folks who simply refuse to see fault in their own images, and think that just because the aircraft in their image is side-on it must automatically qualify for a slot here. I think we'll just have to put up with it, mega-threads, individual threads or otherwise.

If you stumble across such threads, either ignore them or point out that the quality of their images just isn't there. At least individually everyone has a fair and equal chance of having their pictures properly evaluated, and if an individual image requires perhaps more attention than others it can be discreetly given without anyone feeling left out or ignored. I think it's beneficial for everyone, and should help keep the queue low too.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:47 pm

Neither

Well, not really... I prefer individual threads, but rather than have them in the main photography forum, where other photography issues would be lost, instead, and this has been suggested previously, there should be another sub-forum for screening/editing advice, where everybody who enters knows exactly that there won't be anything but pre-screening/rejection issues.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:49 pm



Quoting Spurusho (Reply 25):
Individual threads.

IMHO,

(1) A sub-forum in this forum for pre and post screening threads that would keep the main forum clean of clutter.

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I think this is the way to go. Have the dropdown at top right contain "Civil Aviation", "Aviation Photography", etc. as it does today, but add one new one: "Aviation Photography - Prescreening" and put the individual threads in there. If a prescreening thread appears in the "Aviation Photography" forum, it can be moved to the Prescreening forum so as to not clutter up this one.
 
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:03 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 31):
If you stumble across such threads, either ignore them or point out that the quality of their images just isn't there.
.

bingo. If said properly, with respect, the person will realize that there are higher standards than he/she thought. The queue won't be afected because with or without prescreen threads, people will upload, and everyone has been a newbie at first and I'm sure many look back at theor first uploads and rejections and realize that they were no way near a.net standards, yet a tthe time they looked perfect. It's a learning process, as everything. I am still far from having learned too much Big grin
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:35 pm

A while back I voted for the mega threads and think also started the first pre-screen thread. The problem was that we had too many threads blocking the forum and too many people asking again and again. At that time 3 out of 10 threads were from the same person and had sometimes the same pics in them. At the moment I tend to say individual threads but fear the forum beings spamed up again. I only use the post screening threads and that not very often and most times got a satisfiying reply. Anyone looked at the other site? Why not making the threads crew-reply only having questions on the one hand and answers (from the screeners) on the other hand. Well that would not let "normal" users giving hints about pics which are bad at first look.

All in all you won't find a proper solution for everyone and my vote goes to

- individual threads in an extra forum
OR
- mega threads in aviation photography

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:40 pm

Individual threads.


I agree that there should be rules for it.
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:40 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 34):
I'm sure many look back at theor first uploads and rejections and realize that they were no way near a.net standards

Incidently my very first upload was accepted, but instead of initially trying and trying with a bucket-load of mediocre images I first studied the site and it's strict quality requirements before submitting my first upload. If folks did things in this manner (and I know a few who came up the ranks in a silimar way) and took time out to learn what A.net wants it would not only prevent much disappointment but would also keep the queue low and the pre/post-screen threads to a minimum. My second and third uploads were also accepted, however my subsequent 8 were all rejected - in a row! Still, I've gained a very respectable acceptance ratio in a short space of time; not due to the fact that I'm brilliant (of course!) but because I simply watched and learned before submitting to avoid the disappointment so many feel is unjustified when first starting out.

What gets me sometimes is when really experienced folks ask, "How's my shot?" when they know full-well their work-flow is successful. I sometimes wonder if some here simply seek praise for their work, or feel by displaying it in a open forum they can 'boast' without words. I think I've only ever asked pre-screen advice once, and that was only bacause I needed a second opinion about something in the image. And I made it clear in the title what I was after.

"How's my shot?" Well yeah, it's OK, what more do you want anyone to say? Can you be more specific if you put in in a pre-screen thread?

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:48 pm

Individual threads

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:04 pm

OK, seeing as I think I'm the only who's voted to keep the mega-threads so far, I'd be willing to relent and back individual threads on one condition (as mentioned above): A separate forum or sub-forum for pre/post screening threads. Put them in a different (sub-) forum, and I will vote for

Individual Threads

Does that make it unanimous?
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:35 pm



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 39):
OK, seeing as I think I'm the only who's voted to keep the mega-threads so far, I'd be willing to relent and back individual threads on one condition (as mentioned above): A separate forum or sub-forum for pre/post screening threads. Put them in a different (sub-) forum, and I will vote for

That is not going to happen. What I don't get is that you don't have to open a thread if you don't want to. Just ignore them and move on to the next one.

The results are pretty resounding. I would like to see it changed so I can give some advice when someone needs it. Which I believe this forum is mostly about. Yea people here like to post threads about spotting locations and such but the majoroty would like help and it should be given. It helps the queue, screeners and everyone in general.
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:26 pm

Individual threads!

Quoting Acontador (Reply 26):
But would have to be implemented with clear rules, say a particular header so that everybody can recognize them as such, max number of pics per thread (say 4?), limited number of such threads per user (say 2/week?), and thread should be locked by request of the thread starter after enough advice has been received.
In order for this to work, we all would have to adhere to the rules - it's up to us to make it work!


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Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:02 pm

I already voted so in fairness I won't repeat that.

Quoting Acontador (Reply 26):
But would have to be implemented with clear rules,

How about not having rules but treat each other as grown ups and let common sense have a go.
Rules will result in a lot of nit picking that has nothing to do with the photographic process.

Quoting NicolasRubio (Reply 28):
it's up to the moderators!

With all due respect to the moderators and their fine work, managing a learning, advice process in a photo forum is not what they are best at nor should it be.

I would like to see the reintroduction of the "Masterclass" series, after the thread runs it course it should be edited into a down loadable PDF and made available from a "downloads" link.

I would NOT like to see the "Masterclass" threads made into some kind of sticky, I know of several forums where any number of things get treated this way and one has to scroll considerable distances to get to the active threads.

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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):

That is not going to happen. What I don't get is that you don't have to open a thread if you don't want to. Just ignore them and move on to the next one.

Correct but many will loose the fun reading this forum if the 15 threads are the same use- and senseless pre-/postscreening threrads - before the mega threads we had this situation.

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Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 43):
Correct but many will loose the fun reading this forum if the 15 threads are the same use- and senseless pre-/postscreening threrads - before the mega threads we had this situation.

Heh...at least the forum would show signs of life! Most of the time the only thing new when I check the forum is the pre/post-screen threads. If we had a subforum for those types of threads this place would be left looking like a ghost town. This forum has become rather boring, but that's an issue being discussed in another thread...

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Quoting Moderators (Thread starter):
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Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 43):
are the same use- and senseless pre-/postscreening threrads

So people trying to learn is senseless and useless? What a disappointing statement. Unfortunately in my 5 years here I have suffered through the threads that were posted here in which we had to endure countless users bitching about why their pic got rejected, calling out screeners for God knows what or spreading the stupid assinine idea that our pics were going to be stolen because of some change in the wording in the T of U. It is these threads that as you would say are senseless and useless. Not someone who is unsure about a shot or is looking for help.

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 43):
Correct but many will loose the fun reading this forum if the 15 threads

This is a red herring, I frequent non-av quite often and there are many more than 15 threads that I would never open. My mouse works wonders just scrolling past them and it hasn't made me lose the fun of posting in there.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 46):
So people trying to learn is senseless and useless?

Is it not and I'm sure you know that I don't think so. Unfortunately I can't find my old posts and threads where the problem was discussed about the too many threads with same subject here and the forum being not used anymore for what it was made. I'm, definately not against people asking and helping here but some might/will overuse the "service" here what keeps many helpers and "normal readers/posters" away from the forum. Don't need 3 threads from the same user showing almost the same pics again and again b/c they were rejected and he doesn't get an answer!

I just have my opinion based on what I remember from the past.

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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:10 pm

Individual Threads

I used to open up various help topics and see if I could lend a hand with advice or a quick edit, but since these mega threads started I've not read them or posted advice or feedback. The idea of the threads were good, but as said above they never really worked as intended.

Another separate forum for such pre-screen and after screening threads could work, but I believe it was said that this would be too difficult with the coding of the forum? Additionally, if there were another forum - what would happen to this one? Who's to say people didn't avoid the new forum and both became inactive?

In reference to the suggestion about making the threads have specific names, how would this be enforced? Why would newbies think that there should be specific names for the thread topics that they post... How would you identify one thread from another?

It seems a lot needs to be considered in order to make a viable and sustainable decision. Overall I think the mega threads need to be let rid, but further enhancements made to its sucsessor.
 
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RE: Pre & Post Screening Threads Your Input Required

Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:30 pm

As this is a poll an update is due and after a quick review the following;

Undecided: 4

Mega: 3

Individual: 27

The balance being the OP and other posts.

You may have noticed some recent bug fixes and improvements, some which directly affect the photographer community, such as access to Site Related, amongst others.

We would like to thank you on the substance of your posts, the degree of feedback and the ideas which have been raised. It is that feedback which the crews are discussing and that can initiate change.

To repeat from the opening post:

Quoting Moderators (Thread starter):
We want this forum to work for you, but we dont want to switch back and forth every month. We therefore would like to collect as many opinions as we can on this, so we can come to an informed decision.

We encourage further participation so that we can all make that informed decision.

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