dotolohc
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Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:48 am

hello everyone, I am an airline employee working at EWR. Today I was on the airtrain in EWR and saw a DL A330 at the gate. This is my first time saw a DL A330 in EWR. So I used my cell phone and took the picture of it. And than a man sitting next to me on the airtrain flash his police badge said that he need to speak to me outside the airtrain. He told me that is against Fed law. And he said there are sign all over the place says no pictures allowed(which I don't see any in EWR). He wrote down my id number and told me if I need to take any picture of airplane, I have to get permission first. After all, I spoke to PANYNJ police about the fed law for taking the pictures of the airplanes. The office told me that there is no such law against it. So now I am confused, if there is such law, how come the police does not know? Also I show the man the picture, and he did not even ask me to deleted it. So I am asking everyone are there such laws against taking the pictures in public area? If there is not, where can I find the prove. Thanks for your time.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:00 am

Try this in the photography forum on here. The people on that forum have had similar problems and can probably give you very good information.

As for me, personally, I've been told I can't take pictures of the planes at EWR. I still do, though, but I'm just discreet about it.

If what happened to you on the Airtrain would have happened to me, I definitely would have challenged the police guy (politely of course). But then again, I don't work at the airport, so I'm sure you needed to also be mindful of trying to keep your job.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:12 am

Thats when you ask to see his ID, a badge means nothing without a picture ID. Next time take his ID and agency and then check with his superiors.

Probably just a TSA agent who carries his badge around off duty to be cool. I have taken pictures all over EWR, IAH, CLE, DAL, DFW, IAD, DCA and many other large airports and yet have had anyone say anything.

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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:35 am

Bullcrap.

I wrote a long article on exactly this topic a couple of years ago, after I was detained twice by airport police while taking photos for a story I was writing for the Boston Globe. You can read my account here (you can read it for free, just wait briefly for the prompt on the gateway page)...

Airports and photography
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/02/10/askthepilot173/

It is not illegal to take photos at a U.S. airport. This is not 1973 Romania (though it often seems we are on our way). In fact, it is not even illegal to photograph a TSA checkpoint, much as any TSA lackey will argue to the contrary.

Please read the article. If you have further questions, please write to me directly.

Patrick Smith

[Edited 2009-03-23 18:57:48]
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:52 am

I remember reading that article a few years ago and it's emboldened me to keep taking pictures! Thanks for posting the link Patrick.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:29 pm

In general, in the US you are allowed to take pictures of anything you can see while standing in a public place, unless specifically prohibited, or unless people there have a "reasonable expectation of privacy". A dressing room is an example of the latter.
To echo other posters, I've sat in ORD, IND, BOS, and DEN taking pictures of a/c with a fairly large camera and not been bugged once.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:24 am

Out here.
Tarmac photography is not permitted & photography at defence aerodromes is not allowed.
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:31 pm



Quoting Dotolohc (Thread starter):
He told me that is against Fed law.

As many times as people have heard this, has anyone ever been told this asked for a specific citation of *which* regulation supposedly says this? I wonder what the answer would be...?
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:49 pm

Many times if you call the airport police, they will tell you where the best viewing angles are for taking photos. They will also tell you where they would prefer that you not take them, such as underneath the approach path of arriving jets. While this is not illegal, it makes airport police a little nervous and they will usually call someone out to investigate what you're doing.

The reality is that everyone is trying to be security conscious without being too Orwellian about it. Sometimes people go a bit too far. And for some people it's a power rush to display their alleged authority. Best attack is to be polite, ask for i.d., write down names and badge numbers and call their supervisors later. Many people don't do the last step and so the problems never get corrected for the next photographer. Take the time and make the call.
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:13 pm

These kinds of things annoy me very much !! Come on we are not in 50s Cold war era ! Its hard to explain to some people that photography in public places is legal.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:25 pm



Quoting Brettdespain (Reply 8):
The reality is that everyone is trying to be security conscious without being too Orwellian about it.

Agreed. I had issues twice in the last two weeks where the airport security wanted my full name and information while they were standing on the inside of the fence and I was standing on the outside of the fence. During the last incident I discussed with the gentleman why I should and shouldn't give him my full name and I finally told him that I understood his concerns but that I had a concern for my privacy and given the situation I felt that my privacy concerns outweighed his concerns. What a guy has to do to take some photos!!
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:58 pm

I was told that photography in Dubai was illegal. I know its frowned upon but some of the photos I have seen on the net from that part of the world are excellent and this too confuses me. I can see why Dubai is a bit finicky regarding that as there are a lot of biz jets there and they may not want to advertise the point, I dont know. I felt that on the journey from our flight to the terminal I had better not take my camera out on the bus which peed me off as there was a great collection on the different holding areas, although there was no one holding any firearms - not like on the shuttle around JFK, I felt obliged not to take my camera out. has anyone else had the feeling of if you do your a spy?
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:17 pm

It's illegal to use a camera outside of your house.

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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:55 pm

Most of those AirTrain people at EWR always to that to people. They wave some fancy badge and claim you are violating federal law. Yet when you ask the TSA people, no problem.

It seemed very random to me, as when I came in on flights, I had no problem and was actually given recommendations by the AirTrain staff on which trains to take to get the best pictures. When I was leaving on an outbound flight, they always gave me a problem about it. It depends on who is there really.

Just take your photos while you are on the trains and go back and forth, there is nobody stopping you.
 
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RE: Taking Pictures In Airport

Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:10 pm



Quoting Freddielaker2 (Reply 11):
I was told that photography in Dubai was illegal. I know its frowned upon but some of the photos I have seen on the net from that part of the world are excellent and this too confuses me

It's true; photography at Dubai and indeed at most airports in the Islamic world is prohibited. I think this is a cultural issue, in that traditionally, images of people are frowned upon. Of course, the real reason is security. It's a bit spurious, because the one thing that the millions of aviation photos on the net have in common is that not one of them has ever posed a security risk.

I have been to Dubai and I would certainly not take photos at the airport, but I have friends who live close to the airport - right under the approach path, quite conveniently, so I take a different interpretation of the ban on photography, since I deem myself not to pose a security risk. I do ask myself some pretty searching questions before I take my camera out.  Wink

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