Spiderguy252
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Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:51 pm



Hello everyone, this is my first post here; and I don't have any images uploaded. I live in KWI and in December, I had the good fortune to photograph this rare visitor from BOM - an AI 747 (it's normally the A310).

Now, due to obvious reasons, I'm not uploading this image, but how good is this concept of capturing the a/c from that far in the gates? I know I must not get those bars in the picture, but what else? Is there any good chance for such photos to get uploaded to the DB?

Thanks in advance for your comments!
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ac888yow
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:09 pm

Don't shoot through multiple layers of glass, get as close to the glass and put your camera as close to the glass as possible, avoid reflections/dirt/finger prints/scratches/etc.

If you can do this through-the-glass shots often come out quite nice. I've done it many times and have many photos in the db that were shot like that, such as the following IDs:

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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:20 pm

Shooting through windows is never a good idea, but sometimes it cannot be avoided. There are plenty of shots in the database taken through windows (both terminals and planes!)

IMHO, the key things are:
o - avoid getting any reflections in the shot - can normally be achieved by being as close to the window as possible (even resting the lens hood on the window)
o - find as clean an area of window as you can. Obvious, but especially in terminals, can be nearly impossible. Some of us are even sad enough to carry a spare piece of cloth to clean such windows.
o - most terminal windows are tinted and increase the amount of post-processing that needs to be done to get a shot that's of acceptable quality.

Despite the additional obstacles caused by shooting through windows, perfectly acceptable results can be obtained:

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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:54 pm

I'd second what Steve says. You're never going to get even mediocre results shooting at such a distance away from multiple glass layers.

I hate shooting through glass (even with care reflection can creep in), however in some cases you don't have a choice, which is the situation I found myself in when I shot the below image.


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This is my only one in the database shot through glass. Luckily I avoided any reflections but due the tint of the window I ended up with a slight green cast, which I eliminated in Photoshop.

So yes, with care (and a slice of luck!) good results can be achieved, although it's far from easy. If you're concerned about excessive reflection the best type of hood to use is a rubber one, which will contort to fit the angle of the window.

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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:33 pm

Using RAW pays dividends when shooting through glass. As previously noted, the tint on the glass often produces strange color casts. This can often be removed with the click of a mouse by using the white balance pointer tool in your RAW converter. Also, be aware that the tint also soaks up a lot of light (that's its purpose, after all) so expect a slower shutter speed than you'd normally have to use when shooting outside.

I like shooting through glass, though, in that I can get angles that would otherwise be impossible for a layperson like myself inside the secured areas of a terminal. In other words, your shots will probably stand out from others taken at the same airport outside the fence.
 
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:07 pm

The only glass you should shoot through is the glass of the lens.
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
The only glass you should shoot through is the glass of the lens.

With that comment you're advising people not to take shots from inside a terminal building, or window shots while in-flight, etc. I don't see why you would suggest something like that and risk discouraging someone who seems to be just starting out in the hobby?

Some of my favourite (and most popular) photos are shots through 'glass'. What was I supposed to do as an alternative? Jump onto the wing at FL350 or trespass to go airside?
 
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:38 pm



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 4):
I like shooting through glass, though, in that I can get angles that would otherwise be impossible for a layperson like myself inside the secured areas of a terminal. In other words, your shots will probably stand out from others taken at the same airport outside the fence.

To what extent is this true?
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:50 pm



Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 6):
I don't see why you would suggest something like that and risk discouraging someone who seems to be just starting out in the hobby?

Because shooting through glass is difficult; someone 'just starting out in the hobby' will, in so doing, almost certainly get lousy results and will thus be discouraged.

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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:43 pm



Quoting Spiderguy252 (Reply 7):
To what extent is this true?

My point is that if you have a ticket to get inside security, you have an advantage over those of us who have to stay outside in that you can get some potentially different angles.

I do to some extent agree with Viv that if your main goal is to get shots on Airliners.net, it would be easier to get outside with nothing between your lens and the airplane but air. However, if you're in the terminal and have your camera with you, why not follow some of the advice spelled out above and try some shots? It won't cost you anything but time, and you'll get some shots that at least will be in your personal collection.
 
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RE: Good Idea To Shoot Through The Glass?

Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:43 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 8):
Because shooting through glass is difficult; someone 'just starting out in the hobby' will, in so doing, almost certainly get lousy results and will thus be discouraged.

If you adhere to the advice of being as close as possible to the glass, and only shooting through one layer, I don't think that's true. I've taken these at a time when I was still an absolute newbie.


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The Embraer through terminal window at DCA, after having had my first not-completely automatic camera (still no DSLR) for about 2 weeks. The DL through another DL B763 window. (edit: I don't remeber if I was coming into JFK here, or leaving again, as I was just connecting that day... it may have also been an AA A300.)

Below are examples from the terminal at MIA and BOS, though in the meantime I may have picked up a little more on how to use my camera, and also upgraded to a DSLR:


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