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Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:05 pm

Not everyone will agree on this but I think images like this ( http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...dy/k1241985570.7803img_3137111.jpg ) shouldn't get a motive rejection. They show what everyone sitting in a window seat sees when flying on a jetliner and I believe they would get alot of hits (views) as people like viewing interesting images like this. Imagine seeing lots of shots like these, each with a different City or Landmark in the background. I really think the rule that the shot must include a part of the wing should be changed, anyone else agree with me  Smile ?
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:10 pm

Hi Daniel,

I do agree with themotive rejection. Either leave the windowframe out or put the it in whole,


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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:12 pm

The fact remains that there is nothing of the aircraft in the picture (except part of the window frame).

It's a nice shot, but not for a website that hosts pictures of aircraft.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:12 pm

It should definitely get a motive rejection, among others.


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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:26 pm

Bit surprised you ask the question since I already told you in private it would be rejected for motive Wink
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:33 pm

Another thought....there is nothing unique about the edges of a window frame, but there are a lot of unique aspects of a wing.

In many cases, window shots without a visible wing amount to nothing more than a random landscape with a big dark border.

In other words, a wing adds a lot more to a photo than a window frame.  yes 

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:47 pm

In a shot like this ( http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...rways/Boeing-767-336-ER/1523386/L/ ) what's so interesting about the wing/engine, it shows such a tiny part of it.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 8:50 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 6):
what's so interesting about the wing/engine

Nothing. What's on the round is interesting.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 9:31 pm



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 7):
Quoting SAA738 (Reply 6):
what's so interesting about the wing/engine

Nothing. What's on the round is interesting.

Did you mean ground ?

Exactly, what's on the ground is interesting, just like my image taken at Cape Town.

Windows might all be the same but it is included in the shot and obviouslty it is taken in flight which is aviation related !
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 9:44 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 8):
Exactly, what's on the ground is interesting, just like my image taken at Cape Town.

Windows might all be the same but it is included in the shot and obviouslty it is taken in flight which is aviation related !

Yes, I meant the ground (typo). Your shot is interesting too, but the windowframe (the way it is pictured now) kind of ruins it A.net standards. That said It's not a bad shot, but it's hard to take a windowshot for a.net when you don't sit close to the wing and/or engine.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 10:03 pm



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 9):
but the windowframe (the way it is pictured now) kind of ruins it A.net standards.

and if that window frame happens to have curtains.........

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 10:16 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Thread starter):
Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

I completely agree with this rejection. The haphazard use of the window frame to outline only the left and right side as well as the bottom looks amateurish and lazy. The centering of the window is off as well as the level, both left side and right side. There is no visual benefit of having more dead space in the bottom left as opposed to the bottom right or the fact that the window frame extends to the top right of the photo as opposed to the top left where it disappears before completing the outline. There is nothing appealing about the use of this window frame.

the scene out the window is nice though.  Smile

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Tue May 12, 2009 10:20 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 6):
what's so interesting about the wing/engine, it shows such a tiny part of it.

A small section of visible engine cowl, nacelle, and leading edge may not be riveting, but it's a heck of a lot more interesting than a dark window border.

Not that it's my decision to make, but I've never been a fan of window views that do not depict either an airport or another aircraft. If it's scenery one is after, one should open up Google Earth. This site is dedicated to aircraft and airports.

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 12:46 am

Yes, good rejection. That photo would make an excellent addition to a Flckr site or Picasa.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 4:04 am

Perhaps a positive spin on this thread would have been to ask what could I do to make the motive of this type of image acceptable to Anet standards?
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 5:46 am



Quoting F4wso (Reply 14):
motive of this type of image

The motive is the same thing as the type of image. Thus you need a different motive.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 7:39 am

Definitely a motive rejection. Window frame ruins it all. You might have had better luck if you showed the wing instead.
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 8:18 am



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 10):
and if that window frame happens to have curtains.........

Dammit Willem! Big grin
I don't know really, but I'll hazard a guess that your photo will get motive aswell  Wink
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 9:53 am



Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 11):
I completely agree with this rejection. The haphazard use of the window frame to outline only the left and right side as well as the bottom looks amateurish and lazy. The centering of the window is off as well as the level, both left side and right side. There is no visual benefit of having more dead space in the bottom left as opposed to the bottom right or the fact that the window frame extends to the top right of the photo as opposed to the top left where it disappears before completing the outline. There is nothing appealing about the use of this window frame.

the scene out the window is nice though. Smile

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This was taken early last year when I was still a beginner. I had my first picture accepted on a.net only a few months ago !

I don't think you can really call it lazy, what else could I do given the circumstances. And Spiderguy252 how can you get the wing in the shot when your not sitting over it or near it !?
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 11:08 am



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 18):
I don't think you can really call it lazy, what else could I do given the circumstances. And Spiderguy252 how can you get the wing in the shot when your not sitting over it or near it !?

I was just referring to another possible situation, not yours specifically.  Wink
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Wed May 13, 2009 12:11 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 18):
I don't think you can really call it lazy, what else could I do given the circumstances. And Spiderguy252 how can you get the wing in the shot when your not sitting over it or near it !?

Just enjoy the view. Being on a plane doesn't mean you have to try and force a shot just to upload here.
 
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 1:07 pm



Quoting Koryo (Reply 15):
The motive is the same thing as the type of image. Thus you need a different motive.

I could have better phrased it to "...how can I make my photography fit Anet standards instead of making Anet standards fit my photography?"
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 1:37 pm



Quoting F4wso (Reply 21):

I could have better phrased it to "...how can I make my photography fit Anet standards instead of making Anet standards fit my photography?"

Truth be told I would not focus on either. Just shoot what you think is nice and then upload it here and see if it gets accepted.

We do accept these windowviews where only the frame is visible, but only in very rare cases where it'd done very well. Mostly though we prefer a (significant portion of) wing or engine to be visible. That image by george is a rea bordercase where not a lot of aircraft is visible. had the scenery not been so nice it would probably have been rejected.

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 2:03 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 22):
Mostly though we prefer a (significant portion of) wing or engine to be visible.

Not that I have a picture like that, but worth asking for future reference: do you think it'd be OK if instead of the wing you'd got an overview of an airport, framed by the window?

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 2:05 pm



Quoting SNATH (Reply 23):
Not that I have a picture like that, but worth asking for future reference: do you think it'd be OK if instead of the wing you'd got an overview of an airport, framed by the window?

Yes airport overviews are always acceptable, no need to show aircraft bits. If you're going for the window frame I'd suggest getting the whole windowframe in view and not just a part like in the first image in this thread
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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 2:07 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 24):
I'd suggest getting the whole windowframe in view and not just a part like in the first image in this thread

Absolutely.

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 2:12 pm



Quoting SAA738 (Reply 18):
how can you get the wing in the shot when your not sitting over it or near it !?

Hi

Well, this is easy to answer: Just get out of your seat, walk along the aisle to where you could get a better view and politely ask the person sitting there if you could take a picture... guess, that's what's meant with 'lazy', just stay where you are and take this as your fate.

I fully agree with the motive rejection as I dislike window views on A.net as well, if they don't show something interesting about the aircraft. In this case, the window frame just comes around like some kind of 'alibi' to have at least some part of a plane.

In addition to that, one could get hundreds or thousands of 'em in just a single flight. Maybe the view of Cape Town is interesting, but the window frame is not. It doesn't work in both ways: In case one would take it as an aerial shot of Cape Town, the window frame ruins it anyway.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 20):
what else could I do given the circumstances

When I learned professional photography many years ago, there was one phrase I often got to hear: It may be a photo, but it's not a picture... So the answer is: Don't just take a photo, but do your best to create a picture.

Sorry for that, but you asked for our opinions

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 9:12 pm



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 17):
I don't know really, but I'll hazard a guess that your photo will get motive aswell

It was meant as a joke not for uploading although I still think the motive works.

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 17):
where was that?

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RE: Do You Agree This Should Get A Motive Rejection?

Wed May 13, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 4):
Bit surprised you ask the question since I already told you in private it would be rejected for motive

Not at all surprised. It's a common practice here. Not sure if people think it will change anything or more of trying to get the standards changed. Then people wonder why their questions get ignored.

Quoting SAA738 (Reply 6):
In a shot like this ( http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...rways/Boeing-767-336-ER/1523386/L/ ) what's so interesting about the wing/engine, it shows such a tiny part of it.


That is a great shot showing what you see on approach. Nice photo.
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