wilco737
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Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 1:27 pm

Hi Guys,

recently the Patrouille Suisse was here in Hamburg.

Now I have a question about the double rule. I read the rejection guide but it wasn't 100% clear for me if that is allowed or not. I want to upload a picture where it shows 4 airplanes in the formation and then I'd like to upload another one where it only shows one of the airplanes. It is same day, same airshow, just a couple of minutes apart from another.
I assume this is to be considered as double then?

Thanks for the help.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 1:35 pm

If from the same side, yes.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 1:38 pm



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
If from the same side, yes.

Yes, they are.

But I just found out that on the formation picture there are 4 airplanes in it and the single side one shot is another one which is not part of the formation. Is that double as well? I mean it is a different registration.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 1:45 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
I mean it is a different registration.

Phil, then its not a double.
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wilco737
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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 1:49 pm



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 3):
Phil, then its not a double.

Kas, thank you. Just wanted to make sure.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 2:45 pm

You can only have a double if it's the same airframe, as determined by the information.

So the close-up wasn't very likely to be a double, even if that aircraft was visible in the formation shot. For formation shots, the info should refer to the closest aircraft.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 8:22 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
So the close-up wasn't very likely to be a double, even if that aircraft was visible in the formation shot. For formation shots, the info should refer to the closest aircraft.

I agree with Peter here. Although I have to admit that I did it differently here:


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where I selected the registration of the leader (#1), I guess it is sometimes difficult to decide - in formation flying - which aircraft is closest to the photographer...

Anyway, I also think that the "motiv" of the formation shot is different enough from a "close-up of one aircraft" in order to avoid a double rejection, or am I wrong here?

I have another shot of the #8 in the database, but since the #8 is not present in the formation shot, I cannot proof my above statement  Smile (since different regs - in most cases - cannot lead to double rejection).

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 8:26 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
You can only have a double if it's the same airframe, as determined by the information

True, just wanted to make sure  Smile

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
For formation shots, the info should refer to the closest aircraft.



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 6):
I guess it is sometimes difficult to decide - in formation flying - which aircraft is closest to the photographer...

In my shot I cannot really make out which is the closest to me.

Thanks for the replies guys, I will wait and see.

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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
In my shot I cannot really make out which is the closest to me.

Then pick one that you don't want to upload a close-up of  Wink
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RE: Formation Pictures And The Double Rule

Tue May 19, 2009 9:03 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 8):
Then pick one that you don't want to upload a close-up of Wink

Done  Smile

Thanks for the help.

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