delta88
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Pictures Of Military Jets

Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:54 pm

I live in abington MA. But on Cape Cod there is a militart base called Otis AB. Is it safe to take pictures of some of the aircraft. I was in a small aircraft with my girlfriend and her grandfather who is a pilot. I took some pictures but then we got word on the radio that picture taking is FORBINDEN. I want to post them but should I?!? I don't want to do anything illegal. If it isn;t safe or legal i will destroy the film with the pictures.  Confused  Confused  Confused
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iamlucky13
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:52 pm

You are completely free to take pictures from public property. The only exceptions I know of to that is publicly owned property of limited access where you might need specific permission, such as actually on the grounds of the base or in a courtroom, and the violation of reasonable expectation of privacy, meaning voyeurism.

This freedom has been consistently and repetitively upheld in US courts. Unless there's more to the story you haven't shared, whoever told you picture taking was forbidden is off their rocker, and frankly, I'm confused how anyone on the ground knew you were taking pictures.
 
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting Iamlucky13 (Reply 1):
whoever told you picture taking was forbidden is off their rocker, and frankly, I'm confused how anyone on the ground knew you were taking pictures.

...ummmm..not exactly... There are plenty of military bases you cannot fly over and take pictures. Continuing to do so after being warned not to isn't a very smart thing to do. Don't you think the base knows you are there flying around in your little put put plane?
 
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:32 am

They can make taking pictures illegal if it jeopardizes national security, just like they can take away your free speech if it jeopardizes security. If that's the case at this base, the military can do it
 
iamlucky13
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:46 am

Flying in restricted airspace would definitely count as an important detail the OP didn't share.

BKMjet, I was unaware of prohibitions on photography that would be otherwise illegal but could jeopardize national security, so I went looking for more information. From what I found, it sounds like being outside of a military facility is still in the clear. Case law would suggest that those who wish visual information to be protected (beyond copyright, etc), have to make reasonable efforts to protect it in order to have a case.

If anyone is aware of a drastically different interpretation of the law, it would be helpful to share it and support it with sources. This is my main source:

http://books.google.com/books?id=rJH...&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3
 
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:27 pm



Quoting Bkmjet (Reply 3):
This is my main source:

LOL.... rotfl .yea, that will help a lot. That document has been laughed at for years. You are going to need a whole lot more then that document to keep you out of trouble when you land and the police are waiting for you for photographing a military installation after being told not to.

Go stand outside your local military airfield and wave that paper in their face when the MPs drive up. I'm sure they will understand.
 
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:04 pm

Jeff, you seem to be talking about a different case than I am. You're talking about taking photographs while in restricted airspace. It's quite typical for conditions to be placed on behavior during entry into restricted areas. That's not in dispute.

The case that Delta88 originally seemed to be describing was taking photographs from outside of a restricted area.

If you maintain that the latter case is illegal, at least under certain circumstances, please explain it instead of supposing that ridicule will assist the OP, or myself for that matter, in learning the answer.
 
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:38 am

Looking at the NY sectional chart, there is a restricted area, R-4101, northwest of Otis, which is used for live fire exercises. Other than that, there is no restricted airspace around Otis, only the standard Class D airspace that any airport with an operating tower would have. If you are outside of the Class D and R-4101, you should be able to do pretty much anything you want.

Places that really have things they want to hide, like out around Groom Lake, are surrounded by a large restricted area so that you can't get close enough to photograph them without violating the restricted area.
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RE: Pictures Of Military Jets

Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:54 am

This reminds me of a pic I saw on a certain A.netter's profile:
http://i32.tinypic.com/2hx7gbq.jpg

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