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Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:26 pm

I read in the rejection guide about obstructing objects. Now I have the question, whether the following picture were also rejected for this reason. Is the grass in the front too high?

http://img19.myimg.de/SwissEuropeanAirLinesRJad81f.jpg

http://img19.myimg.de/SwissEuropeanAirLinesRJf4234.jpg

http://img19.myimg.de/swissf0728.jpg
 
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:56 pm

Strictly speaking from a motiv perspective, none of those shots should receive a motiv rejection.
 
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:00 pm

Hi,

Probably yes, but the second also has a very strange crop (what are you trying the show?) and the third aircraft has its tailfin cut off. You'd also get motive rejctions for that.

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:20 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):

I stand corrected... You're surprising me though.
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:24 pm

Is the grass not a reason for a rejection?
 
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:42 pm

I don't think the grass would do it alone. Having other problems with the photos is probably what did it. In addition to the crop, they all seem dark with #1 being better than the others. Also # 3 has a large dust spot that is distracting.
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:16 pm

Well I too am very surprised that the length of the grass wouldn't lead to a motive rejection. I'm aware a little grass obscuring the wheels is OK but that is a fair bit!

They all suffer from a red cast (despite the fact that it's a red evening sky) and as Peter says the second is an odd crop unlikely to win over the screeners (in my opinion). I do quite like the third one though and perhaps with careful editing something can be done to make it accpetable here?

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:25 pm

As this topic came up, I'd like to ask about one photo of mine that I've been considering to upload. This is just a quick edit I made for another forum and therefore a small size, but the bit I am wondering about is the fact that the nose gear is partly obstructed by one of the metal poles in front. Would this result in a bad motive rejection if I were to upload a bigger, more carefully edited version?

http://wingnut.1g.fi/fsn/AtsugiOB/F-14A_Tomcat.JPG
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:51 pm

With regard to obstructing objects, my most valuable lesson was learned when this shot of mine was rejected for motive...I assume because of the cone blocking the fuselage:


MyAviation.net photo:
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Now, I make a point to watch out for obstacles like this. I've even gotten permission to move ropes and barricades at museums to produce a clear, unobstructed shot.

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:11 am



Quoting Ekkaihla (Reply 7):

You do get some leeway in case of preserved aircraft, since they tend to stay in the same situation. In this case, the obstruction could evidently have been avoided. I don't know if that makes a difference to the screeners.

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:15 am

Hi Ekkaihla,
Well, as it is, it would be rejected for motive, as you could have easily avoided one of the poles obstructing the nose landing gear just by moving very little to your right. The chain itself is not an issue as it cannot be avoided.
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:05 am



Quoting Acontador (Reply 10):
Well, as it is, it would be rejected for motive, as you could have easily avoided one of the poles obstructing the nose landing gear just by moving very little to your right. The chain itself is not an issue as it cannot be avoided.

I always carry a set of steps just in case.....

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:23 pm

Hope it's ok to hijack this thread, would the cable of the ground power unit which obstructs the gear door lead to a motive rejection? It can't be avoided as well...

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:52 am



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 12):
It can't be avoided as well...

Of course it can... you just have to wait a while.
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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:10 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
I always carry a set of steps just in case.....

It's amazing the difference as lttle as just an extra foot of height can do in these situations.

I've also learned to walk round an exhibit looking for 'legal' angles that still work. This has lead me to finding some 'motives' I would otherwise not have thought of. I still take the obstructed full side view shots for myself, I just don't upload them here.

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RE: Question About Obstructing Objects

Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:42 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 13):
Of course it can... you just have to wait a while.

Well, true Big grin But not always possible. Unworthy shot then, I guess.
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