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Help On Buying A Camera

Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:21 am

I have thought about buying a new camera, and am looking at the Canon EOS Rebel xsi. I found a deal on www.jumbopackages.com for $489 for just the camera body. This sounded like a good deal. I was planning on buying a good lens for the camera, and that is why I decided to only buy the camera body. Would there be any reason why I should get the camera and lens instead of buying the lens separately? I have also heard that there are problems with the auto focus feature on this camera. Can anyone who has this camera confirm this? I would like people's opinions on the Canon Rebel xsi (particularly people who own them), and any input on why this would or possibly would not be a good camera choice. If you do not think this is an ideal choice, please tell me which camera you think is better.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:34 pm

Very good choice. I like that you're buying the camera and no lens.

Other options depends on your budget. I would recommed the canon 70-200 line, starting with the f/4 and faster or with IS if your budget allows.

I have the XS model. I use one shot mode and that works very well, the others like AI focus or Servo don't work as well for me. With one shot mode, my only issues with AF are shooting the sun. Sometimes it misses focus and get the buildings in the foreground instead, but that is easily fixed by another half depress of the shutter to get it right. Another slight issue is at night on a tripod, sometimes I have difficulty focusing it properly. Not sure if this is all cameras, or the rebel entry level basic AF...

Another option would be a slight used / good condition 40D body only for $600-650...

But I see nothing wrong with the XSI.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:38 pm

Don't listen to the hype! Get you a Sony, stabilization is in the camera and the lenses are great, from Zeis to Sony to Sigmas, great choices and save money!
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:59 pm



Quoting Hernan (Reply 2):
Don't listen to the hype!

Canons are hyped for a reason.......

But I agree, a Sony would do you, however the lens line-up isn't quite as impressive as Canon's.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:06 am

I've never heard of that site, and from the reseller ratings there was only 3 ratings. I'd stick with bhphoto.com, adorama, beachcamera or amazon. That camera body itself lists for $579 on these reputable sites, so I'd be cautious from buying from jumbopackages. XSI is a great camera, you'll be happy with it. Might want to go to bestbuy or any other camera stores to get a hands on feel (canons, nikons, sonys) to see which feels better in your hands if this is your first DSLR.
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:14 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 3):
But I agree, a Sony would do you, however the lens line-up isn't quite as impressive as Canon's.

The only lenses you absolutely cannot get is tilt shifts and superteles above 600mm. If you need those things then Alpha isn't for you (even when the new 500mm f/4 comes out soon). In terms of spotters, all of Sony's glass (and older Minolta glass) is up there if you avoid the clunkers like the super cheap plastic 75-300 zooms. Between Sony, Minolta, and third party, you could do a lot worse than go with Sony (by say going with Pentax or Olympus) in terms of lenses.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:47 am

Thanks for all the replies so far. I was just wondering, is Tamron a good lens producer? I have looked at the Sony A200- the one that would probably be Sony's equivalent of the Canon EOS Rebel XSi, but am still slightly leaning towards canon. One of my main problems with the Sony A200 vs. the XSi is that the XSi has 12 vs the A200's 10 mega pixels. I also tend to like the canon brand- seems to score better on the reviews that I have read. One thing that bothers me with the XSi is that many people report that it produces soft/unsharp pictures- has anyone had any problems with this? Reviews also report that it tends to produce underexposed pictures. No one has mentioned Nikon yet though- are they not as good? All replies are appreciated,

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:42 am



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 6):
One of my main problems with the Sony A200 vs. the XSi is that the XSi has 12 vs the A200's 10 mega pixels.

This won't make much of a difference, you should be more concerned with what lens you're putting on the bayonet.

Nikon is good but the entry level models lack an AF motor and ergo many Nikon lenses cannot AF on the D40/60/3000/5000.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:59 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 7):

This won't make much of a difference, you should be more concerned with what lens you're putting on the bayonet.

For that reason, I'd suggest Canon - even though I use Nikon. Nikon caters to the entry level, or the professional photographer, and not much in between.

Canons lens and accessory range is very complete - and it is very costly to change manufacturers if you decide that Sony/Canon/Nikon isn't the right one for you.
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:03 am



Quoting Hernan (Reply 2):
Don't listen to the hype! Get you a Sony, stabilization is in the camera and the lenses are great, from Zeis to Sony to Sigmas, great choices and save money!

I agree!! I got a Sony instead of a Canon or Nikon and I'm extremely happy about it. My friends have a Canon and a nikon and both of them have decided to look at sony for their next camera after using my camera.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 3):
Canons are hyped for a reason.......

I don't think so, I'm very happy i didn't get a Canon or Nikon, they do have a lot of options for lenses and accessories but I honestly prefer the structure level of sony lenses and find them to be really nice. Just because something is hyped doesn't mean it's the best
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:05 am



Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 9):
My friends have a Canon and a nikon and both of them have decided to look at sony for their next camera after using my camera



Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 9):
I don't think so, I'm very happy i didn't get a Canon or Nikon, they do have a lot of options for lenses and accessories but I honestly prefer the structure level of sony lenses and find them to be really nice. Just because something is hyped doesn't mean it's the best

Better go sell my 30D and L lenses then as you're obviously more qualified than me when it comes to this sort of thing.....

Yes, Sony are good, no denying, however Canon and Nikon are hyped because they are generally the best-suited to the needs of many photographers. Being in the game so long has helped these two manufacturers gain an edge, as many people like the fact that imaging - and imaging solely - is their business. Go to any major sporting event and chances are the majority of the photog's there will be using Canon or Nikon.

It must be admitted that some of Canon's entry-level bodies feel rather like toys, however the fact remains that Canon and Nikon offer the biggest range of lenses and accessories.

As for the comment made earlier about Nikon and Canon guys switching to Sony, I'm a Canon guy who's had a play with an A200 and I won't be switching any time soon.

Go play with them and see which feels best for you. Also, always make provision for your hobby (and budget) to grow by checking out what may be available a few years down the road when you want better lenses, etc.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:30 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10):
who's had a play with an A200 and I won't be switching any time soon.

Karl, you should play with an a900 (or the a850 when it comes out, which will be full frame for less than $2,000), the a200 is an entry level camera that is below your 30D. Of course it won't feel as good.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:17 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 6):
One thing that bothers me with the XSi is that many people report that it produces soft/unsharp pictures- has anyone had any problems with this? Reviews also report that it tends to produce underexposed pictures.

I have the model below the XSI, the XS and my photos are not soft. They all need to be edited with software anyway on any camera . Sharpness has more to do with the lens too.

Every camera and lens combo exposes slightly different. Once your set up, you will know what settings produce the best exposure and go from there. Not an issue I don't believe.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:54 pm

I was kind of planning to buy a less expensive lens to start out with, and then move on to better and more expensive lenses as my budget allows. I liked Canon to start off with because, as some of you mentioned, they had a large selection of lenses. I do kind of agree with JakTrax- I do seem to lean toward Nikon and Canon because they only participate in the business of imaging - I feel more comfortable with them, though I am sure there is nothing wrong with Sony. Sony models seem to be priced lower that their equivalents- is this for a reason? Also, can anyone who has a Sony suggest a Sony camera that would be in the $500-$600 range for only the body? I have looked at the A200, but it did not perform that well in reviews against Canon and Nikon equivalents. I am still open to buying a Sony camera, but I was dissapointed by the reviews of the A200. Thanks for the replies so far, they were very helpful.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:11 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 13):
Also, can anyone who has a Sony suggest a Sony camera that would be in the $500-$600 range for only the body?

The a200/a230 always come with the kit 18-70 lens. You can get it for $500 (or even less if you find it on closeout). Keep in mind that the difference between the D60 and a200 (which use the same sensor) boils down to maybe a little difference in JPEGs at ISO 1600/3200. If you do a comparison at DXOmark you'll see that the two are within spitting distance. The difference really boils down to the lens you put in front, not so much on the imager in this class of camera. It also has more features (like a non-crippled lens mount) over the D60. Compared to the Rebel XS it's less of a match. You may prefer the handling of the a200 which has a bigger grip and viewfinder and more dedicated buttons than the Rebels, for instance.

Sony's DSLR division was Minolta's until KM decided to divest themselves of the camera business. They make the sensors that go into their SLRs (and Nikon's too). Though I have an a700 which has slightly different quality than the a200, you can take a look through my images to see that you can get good quality using Sony/KM.

The big thing is to go pick up the cameras and try them out and see which one fits the best.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:19 pm

So here I go again in defence of the a200....

First off I went out and tried all the cameras in my budget D60, 1000D?? and the a200 the only one that felt really comfortable in my hand was the a200 ( I only have small hands!! ) next thing was my budget was £400 for whatever i got, So I ended up with the a200 kit and a tamron 70 -300 lens, This was on special offer for £100 if bought with camera so got that as well and a 4gb card....and another 4gb card from amazon just in case....the alpha does about 200 shots in raw and jpeg!

So am I pleased with it yes I am, My only picture on here
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is this one and It was published in june/july copy of the LOG the magazine for The British Airline Pilots Asscociation (BALPA)

So a cheap (ish) camera can get good results, Personally I think the person behind the camera (me) is what lets it all down!!

I'm pleased I did not spend a huge amount of money to start with as I find it more challenging to get good images with the gear I have, And as I learn more about the camera and generally taking photos it has inspired me to save for a new lens, Will be either the sony 70-300G or a tamron or sigma 70-200 F2.8.

Personally I would get what feels comfy to hold and go from there, remebering there is a whole world of things to take pictures of.

Here is some more pictures I have taken http://myaviation.net/search/search.php?uid=6605

Any questions on the a200 just ask......Dont forget as well sony is bringing out a new range of cameras soon a230, a330 etc so you may be able to pick up a 200 or 300 for a bargain soon!

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:26 pm



Quoting Nwc100 (Reply 15):
ny questions on the a200 just ask......Dont forget as well sony is bringing out a new range of cameras soon a230, a330 etc so you may be able to pick up a 200 or 300 for a bargain soon!

Ya let me know also, i've tried out some of the newer ones in comparison to my A200 if you have some questions
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:07 pm

Also, I wouldn't hesitate going for a refurbished model. My Canon 20D was a refurb from adorama a few years back and I saved a nice chunk of change. Camera comes back from Canon as if it were brand new. Never had a problem with it. Even bought 2 refurb point and shoots which work flawlessly. They have a refurb XSi for $469 right now and free shipping (another reason why I think that jumbopackages site might be a bait and switch company).

Might want to check out the dpreview.com forums too.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:16 pm

Thanks for the replies so far. What exactly is a refurbished camera? Has it been broken? Dazed767 said they came back like new, if this was the case I wouldn't have a problem buying one of those.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:55 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 18):
Thanks for the replies so far. What exactly is a refurbished camera? Has it been broken? Dazed767 said they came back like new, if this was the case I wouldn't have a problem buying one of those.

There was a problem with the camera, it was returned to Canon (or someone else), they fixed the problem, and now they can resell it as refurbished.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:06 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 11):
Karl, you should play with an a900 (or the a850 when it comes out, which will be full frame for less than $2,000), the a200 is an entry level camera that is below your 30D. Of course it won't feel as good.

Like I say, I have absolutely nothing against Sony and the A900 is in a league above the 30D; but when someone suggests ignoring Canon and Nikon completely and goes on to say that friends are abandoning the big two for the A200 it's kind of condescending to people using entry-level Canons and/or Nikons who are getting quality results.

Remember people, it ain't the camera or really the lens, but the person looking through the viewfinder that determines image quality. Anyone experienced will get decent results with any DSLR. Some prefer Canon (it was right for me), some Nikon, some Sony, and I'll happily admit that Sony bodies (from what I've seen) are actually of better build than equivalents by Canon/Nikon. But go with what's best for you. Play with them all. If you are happy after a few months with the images you're getting then you've made the right choice, regardless of which manufacturer you chose.

It's ridiculous in a forum such as this to slag off a particular manufacturer and try and steer someone clear outright. I do, however, stand by my comments regarding Canon's extensive lens range, which I think is undeniable - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend an alternative and that's not saying I think other brands are inferior. I simply advised the OP to consider what he may want to do in the future, which I think can have a big bearing on choice.

Finally, I came from the Minolta stable when I jumped to digital so I'm in no way resorting to favouritism.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:18 am

Well, I am another vote for Sony. Why? - the IS is built into the camera body, so it's not an issue with lenses, and the A350 is nearly 15 MPixels, for not much more than the others. Got mine for $600 at Circuit City before they disappeared. I am quite happy with how the camera handles, and the available lenses, and in my opinion, the extra pixels are a plus.

I certainly won't knock Nikon or Canon, they're all good products, but my preference is the Sony product.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:35 am



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 18):
What exactly is a refurbished camera?

It's a camera that could have been sent back for numerous reasons. Could have been a demo camera and gets sent back to Canon to be brought back up to spec, or could have been a camera that was returned because something got damaged or they could have decided they did not want it after all and it was sent back. It gets retested, recertified, and then resold. They usually come with a 90 warranty in case something goes wrong. Looks brand new, you can't tell that it was a refurb (other than the sticker on the bottom).


http://www.adorama.com/ICADRXSIBR.html?searchinfo=Canon+XSi
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:05 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
It's ridiculous in a forum such as this to slag off a particular manufacturer and try and steer someone clear outright. I do, however, stand by my comments regarding Canon's extensive lens range, which I think is undeniable - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend an alternative and that's not saying I think other brands are inferior. I simply advised the OP to consider what he may want to do in the future, which I think can have a big bearing on choice.

The entry level Nikons should be avoided simply on the grounds that you will cut yourself off from a lot of Nikon glass that won't autofocus. I actively tell people to buy a D90 because there's no real growth room in the lesser bodies. If all you do is plan on using the kit lenses with the entry level models then be my guest, but watch out for anything that needs a screw drive...

I never liked Canon cameras simply on ergonomic/functional grounds. Canon has always made a bunch of puzzling decisions on their bodies... but their top end glass is great. Never denying that.

I don't mr. DL767captain is actively slagging other brands but so much as being enthusiastic.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:20 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 23):

I never liked Canon cameras simply on ergonomic/functional grounds. Canon has always made a bunch of puzzling decisions on their bodies... but their top end glass is great. Never denying that.

That's why I didn't go Canon. I disliked the feel of the 40D. I tried the a900 recently and while I liked the performance of the camera, I disliked the feel and control layout.

I find that the high-end Nikon cameras are the gold standard for ease of use - they just have everything where you want it, and easy to access. Much simpler than having to go through menus to change functions.

I always recommend against the lower than D90 Nikon cameras for the reasons you suggest - and the D90 is pretty cheap now anyway.
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:09 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 24):
That's why I didn't go Canon. I disliked the feel of the 40D. I tried the a900 recently and while I liked the performance of the camera, I disliked the feel and control layout.

There's a certain gestahlt to a Sony/KM control layout - namely, all of the main shooting controls can be operated one handed and with gloves. Each button is sunk or shaped so that you can tell it apart by feel. Buttons don't have duplicate functions in shooting modes, very few options require menu diving, and many more dedicated controls. For instance, on teh D300 you have to use two hands to change ISO... not on an a7/900. The D300 does have a drive mode dial, though, which I miss. It's a very personal thing but I've used my a700 in the cold a lot and the fact that you can feel all of the buttons apart from each other with gloves on is a huge life saver.

If you use a vertical grip, it also duplicates all of the main controls and buttons, which nobody else does, and it also gives you an actual grip, and not just a long cylinder. It also positions the shutter release in line with the viewfinder. Sure, it costs a little more but it's worth it IMO.

At first glance it might seem unwieldy but if you use it for a week you start to get the feel for the speed it allows.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:16 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 23):
I don't mr. DL767captain is actively slagging other brands but so much as being enthusiastic.

Ya I didn't mean to be ragging on other brands I just like to defend my personal camera choice from people who make quick assumptions.

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 23):
I never liked Canon cameras simply on ergonomic/functional grounds. Canon has always made a bunch of puzzling decisions on their bodies... but their top end glass is great. Never denying that.

That is a big reason I chose Sony, Canon bodies (the entry level) felt akward in my hand and there are just so many models.

Honestly Nikon Canon and Sony are all great, Canon and Nikon are going to have more lens choices from multiple manufacturers but when looking at entry levels Sony is very competitive. They come with great lenses and have some great lenses to chose from. Where Sony is a little different though in terms of lens choice. Sony tends to have two or three options for a specific type of lens. Generally a consumer lens and a pro lens. Carl Zeiss lenses seem to be the pro versions of general use lenses and some specialty lenses, while G-Series lenses tend to be more about zoom. My personal favorite is the 100mm macro lens though
 
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Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:30 am



Quoting MHO (Reply 21):
I certainly won't knock Nikon or Canon, they're all good products, but my preference is the Sony product

Whatever feels best for the user. That was precisely my point.

Quoting MHO (Reply 21):
the IS is built into the camera body

To be fair this shouldn't be solely what sells Sony. Whether the IS is in-camera or in-lens shouldn't really make a difference when selecting a camera. Useful? No doubt. Better than in-lens IS? Not a great deal of difference. Canon pioneered IS and their version 2 currently used in their latest lens line-up is often regarded as the best (when it's not breaking down, LOL!). Again, that's not to say that other manufacturers aren't catching up.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 26):
Where Sony is a little different though in terms of lens choice. Sony tends to have two or three options for a specific type of lens

You'll find that with most manufacturers. Add third-party lenses and you probably end up with five to choose from, all with the same focal length.

Again, best advice for the OP - go out and try them. They're all good but as this thread has highlighted one man's meat is another's poison. I love the feel of Canons but of course some are going to hate them!

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:47 am

I've been a Minolta user since mid 90's when I bought my first SLR and whan tehy released the 5D I got one and loved it since it felt like home. Was looking into getting some good glass for it and found lots on Ebay for pennies, like the 50mm 1.4, 28mm 2.8, Sigma 80-400 etc. But what made me turn to Canon was the price difference between the G-series 70-200 2.8 and the L-series 70-200 2.8 IS, it was a staggering $600 last year. So, I sold off the Minolta gear and got myself a 50D and the 70-200 + some bits and pieces for what I got for the Minolta. I am really happy with it, but I still think that the KM and Sony interface and menues are easier to use than Canons. My brother in law has the A700 and man that is a lovely camera. And I think that Sony has enough accessories to satisfy most users and as has been said before, it's only in the field of ultra long lenses they lack somewhat. And now they have an A380  Wink
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Well, my advice after all this ranting is to stay away from the cheaper bodies, be it Sony, Canon or Nikon, 1000D, D40-D60 are toys that will linit your growth as a photographer...
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:54 am



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 28):
Well, my advice after all this ranting is to stay away from the cheaper bodies, be it Sony, Canon or Nikon, 1000D, D40-D60 are toys that will linit your growth as a photographer...

I think this depends on the photographer and lenses used John. The Nikons yes, as the AF problem with some lenses I'm sure would be an issue if you ever came to need better glass, however Canon and Sony entry-level models offer most of the features you'd need to advance to the next stage (and beyond) of aviation photography. So long as your lenses are half-decent I think that's what matters most. I'd much rather have a 1000D with a 70-200 L than a 1Ds III with a cheapo 75-300, and I think many would agree.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:08 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 29):
I'd much rather have a 1000D with a 70-200 L than a 1Ds III with a cheapo 75-300, and I think many would agree.

Well, that is true, but does the 70-200 physically fit on a 1000D? I know there was some issues with entry level Sonys and the bigger G-series lenses, that the part that protrudes due to the flash is in the way when attaching lenses with a larger girth.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:15 am

John,

My friend manages it, LOL! Even the largest L lenses will fit onto and work with Canon's baby 1000D without issue. It is advised, however, that support be given to large lenses when held upright as there is the possibility of the weight straining the mount.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:01 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 27):
To be fair this shouldn't be solely what sells Sony. Whether the IS is in-camera or in-lens shouldn't really make a difference when selecting a camera. Useful? No doubt. Better than in-lens IS? Not a great deal of difference. Canon pioneered IS and their version 2 currently used in their latest lens line-up is often regarded as the best (when it's not breaking down, LOL!). Again, that's not to say that other manufacturers aren't catching up.

The cost savings of in-body IS and the fact that it works with any lens makes it a killer. If you really need the swimmy viewfinder, that's one thing, but it works great with my Bigma and my 70-200 f/2.8. You can't buy stabilized 24-70 f/2.8 or short primes on any other mount.

Plus, I've been using the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 which cost me only $700 and gains IS (same for the Sigma) with great results on the a700.

If you think the 70-200 G is overpriced, look at the new Nikon 70-200 VR II.  duck 

I would say the best idea these days is an a900 with some CZ for landscape/high res work and a D3/D700 for very low light work . There's a few people who run like this and they do fantastic work. Right tool for the job and all that...

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 30):
Well, that is true, but does the 70-200 physically fit on a 1000D? I know there was some issues with entry level Sonys and the bigger G-series lenses, that the part that protrudes due to the flash is in the way when attaching lenses with a larger girth.

Not as far as I know - the 70-400G is the widest one to date and I know someone who uses it on an a200. There's no lens incompatibilities on any Sony bodies save for some very old Sigmas. The distance from the mount to the flash head on the a2x/3x series is the same as the a100/Maxxum 5D because they're all based on the same lineage. There's still some 5D left in that new a230...
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:53 pm

Thanks for all the replies, they were very helpful. I looked at the D90- but it seems to be way over my budget for he time being. Looked like a pretty good camera though. However, I did look at the Sony A350- that made me think over XSi a bit. Fit my budget nicely- $499 on a reputable site. I plan to start out with a less expensive lens first (since this will be my first lens) , and then over time buy a better quality lens as my budget allows it. I found a Vivitar 500mm f/8.0 lens on adorama fro $120 on amazon- this seemed surprisingly cheap- is Vivitar a bad/cheap lens maker? I was strongly leaning toward the XSi ($469 refurbished on adorama) , but after I found the Sony A350 body on Amazon for $499, I am a little confused on which one would be better, and I am having a hard time deciding which would be the best choice. I like the megapixels on the A350, but I like the price and the capabilities of the XSi.

Thanks again for the replies,

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Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:08 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 33):
I found a Vivitar 500mm f/8.0 lens on adorama fro $120 on amazon- this seemed surprisingly cheap- is Vivitar a bad/cheap lens maker? I was strongly leaning toward the XSi ($469 refurbished on adorama) , but after I found the Sony A350 body on Amazon for $499, I am a little confused on which one would be better, and I am having a hard time deciding which would be the best choice. I like the megapixels on the A350, but I like the price and the capabilities of the XSi.

These cameras have similar capabilities, but the a350 has a quick AF live view that the XSi does not. I wouldn't worry too much about the MPs. You should seriously go to a camera store and hold them and see how they feel to you. The a350 does, IMO, have a unique image quality at lower ISOs because of different color filtering than its sister cameras, but this does cost it some performance at ISO 1600.

I would avoid the 500mm f/8 becasue it's a mirror lens, no autofocus.

If you're looking for a good starter lens on Alpha, there's a few options. You can find some used Minolta glass fairly cheaply (depends on what you're looking for) or you could get a twin lens kit (18-70 and 55-200) that will probably suit your needs for starting out. Knowing what kind of lens you would like to use would help in directing you...

You can also go to www.dyxum.com and post on the forums there, it's a great Sony/Minolta community and there's lots of helpful people that can recommend glass to you.
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Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:50 pm

As DVincent said, between the A350 and the 450D/Rebel XSi it's more about how they feel in your hand. And do a search on Ebay etc and check for used glass, the competition for used Canon glass is hard, but it's beginning to be the same with Sony/Minolta glass as well. When I got my 5D there were tons of great Minolta glass out there, at good prices.
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:01 am

As Dvincent mentioned, I do plan to go to a store soon and feel what the cameras feel like. I have felt a Canon XS, and I liked the feel, but I have not tried the others, and assume that the XS grip is different than the XSi. Speaking of used lenses, I know a used camera store close to where I live which offers many gently used Canon, Nikon, Sony, Minolta... etc. lenses for fair prices. I plan to check out that store for some of my lens needs. Hopefully I will be able to go to a store soon and hold the cameras. Thanks for all the replies so far,

-Thomas
 
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Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 33):
I looked at the D90- but it seems to be way over my budget for he time being. Looked like a pretty good camera though.

It is a good camera - essentially the heart of a D300, but without the better 51 point autofocus (only 11 point). If saving up a bit longer to afford the D90 was an option for you, then I would say that's quite a good idea as well. The D90 has none of the AF lens limitations of the lesser Nikon camera bodies.
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:15 am

Unfortunately, the D90 is still too expensive even for me to save up for. It would take me a couple of years to get that amount of money. Thanks for all the replies so far,

-Thomas
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:58 am

How about a used D70s or D80? Even a used D200.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:15 am

D70s is really a bit too old, but a D80 or D200 would be fine.

If you like the feel of the Canons then go with your instincts........

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Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:51 am

If it will take you a few years to save up for a D90 I don't think that the amount of accessories or long expensive lenses is a factor in choosing a camera. In this case I would go for the Sony as you get in house stabilisation. In a couple of years when you have the sufficient funds to step up your game you won't have lost any money even if you change system to Canon or Nikon. Also, I would not purchase a used camera if you are on a tight budget. Best case you get a 90 day warranty and if the camera breaks you sit there with nothing. Get a new camera and get extended warranty to get some trouble free years.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:43 pm

It does sound like a good idea not to purchase a used camera since I am on a tight budget. I think I will just spend the extra $100 and get a new camera instead. By the way, other than adorama, and amazon, are there any other reliable online sites for buying cameras?

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Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:10 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 42):
It does sound like a good idea not to purchase a used camera since I am on a tight budget. I think I will just spend the extra $100 and get a new camera instead. By the way, other than adorama, and amazon, are there any other reliable online sites for buying cameras?

There's the gold standard, B&H... www.bhphotovideo.com
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:37 pm

Has the OP considered the new-to-be-released D3000? I've seen it with a kit lense for around GBP£399.

Just out of interest, as the camera is supposed to be a D60 replacement, would the D3000 be worth waiting for, or getting the D60 little different?
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:22 pm

Thanks for all the replies so far. I looked at the D3000, and the reviews about it were okay, I guess. Didn't look too bad, but I don't think it is the rights camera for me. I went to a store, and they had the D80, and the XSi. The A350 was supposed to be there, but it was missing. I didn't really like the feel of the D80; it just didn't seem to fit that great into my hand. The XSi, however, fit nicely. Too bad the A350 wasn't there. I also had a question. I have read that the XSi does not have auto focus within the camera, you have to buy a lens with auto focus (A Canon EF or EF-S lens). If you choose to buy from a producer like Tamron, how can you tell if that lens has auto focus? Thanks again for all the replies,

-Thomas
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:07 pm



Quoting ThomasWarloe (Reply 45):
I have read that the XSi does not have auto focus within the camera, you have to buy a lens with auto focus (A Canon EF or EF-S lens). If you choose to buy from a producer like Tamron, how can you tell if that lens has auto focus? Thanks again for all the replies

Someone's telling you fibs.....

There are very few lenses out there these days without AF, and besides this issue isn't unique to Canon - any brand of lens without AF isn't going to auto-focus, regardless of the camera body.

Where do some of these people get their info......???

Anyway, if the glove fits (as it were) it's right for you. Seems you liked the Canon so go with your instincts - I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:32 am

I went to another store, and they had the Sony A330, but not the A350 which was the camera I wanted to try out. I did not like the grip on the A330 (not sure how similar that is to the A350 grip), so I think it will be the Canon EOS Rebel XSi for me. However, I really like the grip on the A700, way over my budget though. Thanks to everybody who replied, your replies were very helpful. If anyone who has a Canon camera could suggest a good, but cheap(er) starter telephoto lens (doesn't have to be Canon, it can be Tamron or any other reliable brand), your replies would be very much appreciated. Also, if anyone can suggest good lens producers that work well with Canon cameras, your replies would also be appreciated. Thanks again to everybody who has replied so far,

-Thomas
 
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:08 am

The A330 grip is entirely different than the A350. It's more similar to the Oly 420's grip (an old style flat SLR grip). The A350's grip is more similar to the A100/KM 5D which is similar to the a700's, except it's shorter.
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RE: Help On Buying A Camera

Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:54 am

Thomas,

Without doubt the best starter lens in my opinion is Canon's EF75-300 F4-5.6 USM III. Of course it's not as good as some of the more expensive lenses but it's under $200 and has a pretty useful reach for most types of aviation photography. For a lens in this category it's very sharp up to around 210mm (softness definitely an issue past 230mm) and is much better than similar lenses from Sigma and Tamron.

Another lens which is often highly recommended is the 55-200, which fits snugly with the kit lens. It's not well-built but is apparently again pretty sharp for what you pay. Perhaps another one worth looking at is the 55-250 IS.

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