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Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:28 pm

With all the latest gear and cameras coming out, is the acceptance ratio of airliner going to go up to the point that even the image quality of a D200 will barely make the cut. Some of usphotogerahers, can not keep affording the latest and greatest toys.{Just a thought_ I see it leaning toward that}.

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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:32 pm

Top notch equipment is only needed in difficult circumstances. In good circumstances, it's possible to shoot perfectly acceptable images with mediocre equipment.

Peter 

Edit: Of course Stefan, below, is right, the most important factor is understanding a thing or two about photography and press the button at the right place at the right time.

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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:46 pm

Hi,

I don't think that it's all about the equipment. I know a lot of people who use a quite basic DSLR (Nikon D70 or Canon EOS 350D and rather cheap lenses) and achieve great results.

I guess that people rather pay some thousand bucks for the newest equipment than spending some time in reading a good book about photography or familiarizing themselves with editing software.

The picture below was taken in December 2005, the first time I have been out with a DSLR and even though I used a Canon 350D and the cheap EF 75-300 III it still stood a chance in 2009, so I don't think the current standards are too high, even for people who have to rely on older and cheaper equipment.


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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:15 am

Quoting Flight (Thread starter):
With all the latest gear and cameras coming out, is the acceptance ratio of airliner going to go up to the point that even the image quality of a D200 will barely make the cut. Some of usphotogerahers, can not keep affording the latest and greatest toys.{Just a thought_ I see it leaning toward that}.

I would suggest that even the D200 is seriously good camera equipment. It is way better than my old camera!

It won't lean towards people using only D2/ D3/ D4/ EOS-1D or other high end equipment. You can still get perfectly acceptable clean images with just a basic Nikon D80.


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Gear used: Nikon D80, AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm F/3.5-5.6G ED

Cheap stuff - especially the lens. I also have a higher end 35mm camera (and some good lenses). The higher end cameras just gives you more chances in dark or other tricky conditions. Like DVincent who replied below, my gripe with the D80 was the dreadful slow frame-rate.

Regardless of what camera you use, you still need to understand white-balance, colour temperature and proper post-processing.

[Edited 2009-08-15 17:33:40]
 
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:23 am

I had no beefs with the image quality of my KM 5D. It was the frame rate/AF that made me upgrade to the a700. I also preferred the more advanced controls.

I still take photos with 20 year old lenses.


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Though this particular lens (70-210 f/4) has been retired in favor of a newer 70-200 f/2.8, I still have its nearly as old stablemate, the 100-200 f/4.5, because it's small enough to poke through a fence.


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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:12 am

Thanks for all the replies, I am not taking away from the equipment, that I have, since it is where my talent lies. You also need to know settings, composition and lighting...... Thanks
 
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:08 am



Quoting Flight (Thread starter):
With all the latest gear and cameras coming out, is the acceptance ratio of airliner going to go up to the point that even the image quality of a D200 will barely make the cut.

While my D200 is off getting repaired I was forced to revert to my backup camera, a 4 year old D50 as my only means of shooting. I've gotten 10 of 12 shots accepted within the past two weeks all taken with the D50 and the 300 F4 AF-S. The two rejects were for editing purposes, ie my fault.

The moral of the story? Invest in a good lens, the rest will fall into place.

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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:14 am



Quoting Flight (Thread starter):

I have several pictures accepted which were made with a pocket camera and not a DSLR.


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So it is possible, but not easy.

The standards are high on a.net, but see how many pictures get accepted and not everybody has high end equipment.

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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:42 am

It's more important to learn to use the stuff you have. D80 is a fine camera, but reading in here it sounds like it's an ancient piece of photo equipment. Cheaper glass limits the photo opportunities but on a sunny day with correct settings and post processing they will get accepted here. Owning a 1ds MKIII and a 400mm prime does not guarantee success if you can't use the equipment.

And as long as the file and image size restrictions are as they are now you can use a KM 5d or a Canon 350D for quite some time still.
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:43 am



Quoting Flight (Thread starter):
Some of usphotogerahers, can not keep affording the latest and greatest toys.{

I have the feeling that equipment got a lot cheaper the last years. I paid about 1000 Euros for my first DSLR (350D) which was the cheapest in the Canon range at that time. Today the basic cameras and even standard lenses are a lot cheaper, probably due to the big run on semi-professional equipment.
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:10 am



Quoting Whisperjet (Reply 9):
Today the basic cameras and even standard lenses are a lot cheaper, probably due to the big run on semi-professional equipment.

The economy is also a bit tragic, so if you have money you can sometimes do a deal with camera stores and get a camera that would otherwise be inaccessible at a reasonable price just simply because they are desperate to get the business. That's how I got my last big lens (the store made a very tiny profit). And when I went back to get a smaller lens, I got a good deal on that as well for much the same reason.

The internet and on-line buying from overseas also makes things much more affordable, especially if your country has a strong currency.

Even the lower end cameras now are also so much more improved from the earlier days.
 
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:35 pm

Older equipment is still viable, but the margin for error (requiring post-processing to fix) is much less. I still shoot with a D200, in fact I love the results, but comparing noise and high ISO performance to my D700, or even D5000, it isn't even close.

Many point and shoots will still produce excellent photos, I have many here taken with a Canon G10.

Technology moves fast, I paid $3,000 for my first DSLR in September 2002, a Nikon D100. But it still produces high quality photos, you just need to be very accurate on the settings.
 
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:02 pm

I'm still taking photos with my trusty 5 year old D70, which is going out of service in the coming time, and I'm still uploading older stuff made with it. Of course it is important that the source image is good so you can process it easier then.

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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:37 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
I have several pictures accepted which were made with a pocket camera and not a DSLR.

Indeed.
I have 383 pictures in the database, the first ones with a Kodak Easyshare DX7590, the majority with a Canon S3-IS, both point and shoot cameras. I even have the #4 of last 24/48 hours in the search page as of right now (August 16th 10:35L GMT-5) and even had a number one back in the day.
It's perfectly possible.

That's not to say one shouldn't get good equipment if one can afford it. I'm looking to upgrade to a dSLR, that Nikon D90 is calling me... but I still have some research to do and money to save.
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RE: Will It Ever Get To Thies Point?

Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:49 pm

I use my D50 and have managed to get two uploads as of now! I'm sure I can do better than this!

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Though its a very basic camera, I have no doubt that my camera can produce good pictures for A.net standards, all I need is good spotting location at my home airport, good weather (till I master the skill at least) and some more experience with editing!
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