wilco737
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Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:47 pm

Hello everybody,

a friend of mine is probably selling is Canon 5D.

I am currently using the 40D and I am pretty happy with the results and like the camera.

IF I'd get the 5D, can I use my lenses with it? From what I read, they have the same size.

Is the 5D significantly better than the 40D that it would make it worth buying it? Or maybe waiting for the 60D or saving up for the 1D Big grin

Any feedback?

Thanks

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Moose135
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:05 pm

The 5D is a full-frame sensor, right? If so, you may not be able to use all your 40D lenses on it - any that are designed solely for APS-C body cameras (like the 40D) won't work on a full-frame body - it will fit on the mount, but the mirror can actually strike the inside end of the lens.
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:06 pm

I don't believe EF-S lenses will fit (ie Canon 10-22mm). Do you need a full frame camera for any particular reason? The picture quality is very high on the 5D, but the features ans speed might not be as up to date seeing as it is an older model.

I also have the 40D and I am waiting to see what comes out either tomorrow or Sep 1. There are a lot of rumors about what is actually coming out, but anything new will drive the price down of older cameras. I hope Canon comes out with a winner though.  crossfingers 
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:07 pm

Just steer clear of EF-S lesnes, which are optimised for the smaller sensors.

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:10 pm



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 1):
he 5D is a full-frame sensor, right?

I think so yes.

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
I don't believe EF-S lenses will fit (ie Canon 10-22mm).

I have that lense and use it for my cockpit shots. Great lense IMO.

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
Do you need a full frame camera for any particular reason?

No, not really.

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
The picture quality is very high on the 5D, but the features ans speed might not be as up to date seeing as it is an older model.

The picture quality is pretty important to me as I cannot always shot in perfect conditions. Shoting through cockpit windows or strange light etc.

Maybe I'll wait for the 60D then, if I can use the same lenses...

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:11 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 3):
Just steer clear of EF-S lesnes, which are optimised for the smaller sensors.

I have the Canon 10-22, 17-40 L, 24-105 L, 100-400 L. Can I use them all on the 5D as well?

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:19 pm

Everything but the 10-22. It is one of my favorite lenses, so I don't see going full-frame soon, but you never know. On a full frame the 17-40 would be a good lens and almost as wide as a 10mm on a 1.6x crop (=16mm).
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:26 pm



Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 6):
Everything but the 10-22.

Ah man, I like that lense as well. It is great.

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 6):
On a full frame the 17-40 would be a good lens and almost as wide as a 10mm on a 1.6x crop (=16mm).

True, good point. Maybe I can borrow it for a couple of days and try it out.

Thanks for the advide.

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 1):
any that are designed solely for APS-C body cameras (like the 40D) won't work on a full-frame body - it will fit on the mount, but the mirror can actually strike the inside end of the lens.

This only applies to Canon EF-s glass, third party APS/c glass will work just fine without any problem or danger.
Ofcourse you will miss the corners at wide angle.

I would take the 5D and keep the 40D as well, it's great to have a backup body on hand.


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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:30 pm



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 8):
I would take the 5D and keep the 40D as well, it's great to have a backup body on hand.

Well, I have the 350D (my older camera) as sort of backup. I know it is a different category, but do I need 3 bodies?
I will ask my buddy for how much he'll sell the 5D and then I can get rid of the 350D...

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:31 pm

10-22 - cropped sensor format only (i.e. won't work on 5D)

17-40 L - full frame (5D ok)

24-105 L - full frame

100-400 L - full frame

Basically the only lens you wouldn't be able to use is 10-22mm. Keep in mind however, that the 10-22 behaves like a 16-35mm on Canon's (1.6) cropped sensor, so with the 17-40, you've pretty much got that range covered on the full frame anyway.

You will lose on the long end however, as you'll get the true 100-400, not the 160-640 it behaves like on the cropped sensor. If you do a lot of long range shooting, this will be a big negative. Another negative for the 5D will be it's low frame rate, only 3fps. If you do any kind of high-speed shooting this might be a problem.

On the other hand, as already mentioned, the full frame will give you the wide angle with the lenses you already have (even without the 10-22) and because it's full-frame and the pixel density isn't too high, the hi-ISO is much much better than with any cropped sensor camera (40D/50D/60D/etc...)

You have to decide if losing the long range shooting and frame rate are more important than gaining the great hi-ISO performance and overall better IQ.

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:41 pm



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 10):
You will lose on the long end however, as you'll get the true 100-400, not the 160-640 it behaves like on the cropped sensor. If you do a lot of long range shooting, this will be a big negative. Another negative for the 5D will be it's low frame rate, only 3fps. If you do any kind of high-speed shooting this might be a problem.

Good point. From the cockpit I sometimes really do need the 400 (640) to get closer to the other airplanes. But on the other hand I shot with the 10-22 in the cockpit as well. But because I have the 17-40 that would be fine.
Would it make sense then to get the 1,4x converter with the 400 and the 5D? That would give me a good zoom and the quality of the 5D.

Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 10):
reat hi-ISO performance

These 2 shots were taken handheld with the 10-20 and ISO 3200:


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And I was quite pleased with the result.

Of course I had to use noise ninja to get rid of some noise and grain there.

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:08 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
I don't believe EF-S lenses will fit (ie Canon 10-22mm).

I have that lense and use it for my cockpit shots. Great lense IMO.



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 6):
Everything but the 10-22.

Ah man, I like that lense as well. It is great.



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
These 2 shots were taken handheld with the 10-20 and ISO 3200:

Keep the 40D! We wanna see more shots like the ones above!

My 2 cents

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:11 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
And I was quite pleased with the result.

Of course I had to use noise ninja to get rid of some noise and grain there.

The 5D will be much less noisy than the 40D at 3200 and will require less PP noise reduction, leaving you with sharper images. If it were me, I'd go the 5D route in a heartbeat, but that's me!

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:22 pm

Why go with a 5D when you can get a 5D Mark II? It might cost more but in my opinion, it's a far superior camera (I have both). The low light performance is excellent, the view screen is much better, the automatic sensor cleaning is very handy, and the near medium format resolution makes things very handy for cropping. I could go on and on, but I've had so many good results with the Mark II that I can't say enough about it. Anyway, if you're going to spend some money, I think it's worth looking into.
 
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:32 pm



Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 12):
Keep the 40D! We wanna see more shots like the ones above!

One shot like this is in the queue currently. Still needs a couple of days until screening.

Quoting Champfence (Reply 13):
The 5D will be much less noisy than the 40D at 3200 and will require less PP noise reduction, leaving you with sharper images. If it were me, I'd go the 5D route in a heartbeat, but that's me!

Sounds good. But I am not always shoting at night or low light.

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 14):
Why go with a 5D when you can get a 5D Mark II?

I don't know if it is a mark II or not, have to ask him which one it is.

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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:50 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 15):
Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 14):
Why go with a 5D when you can get a 5D Mark II?

I don't know if it is a mark II or not, have to ask him which one it is.

There's a 99.9% chance that your friend is selling the 5D original because the 5D Mark II is a new model. My suggestion is to consider the 5D Mark II if you want to buy a 5D series body.
 
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:51 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
but do I need 3 bodies?

No you don't but there ain't no point in selling it for a nickel either.
I keep 'm all and planned to make a nice display sometime in the future, should be good with a Canon AE1, EOS 620, 50QD, D30, 10D, 20D, 50D, 1Dmk3  Big grin
I now regret to have sold my Olympus Om10, Zenith, Praktica etc.....  Sad

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
I will ask my buddy for how much he'll sell the 5D

In the shop they go for 1000 to 1200 EU with warranty.
So without warranty it should well below 1000,- EU
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RE: Keep Canon 40D Or Get Used 5D?

Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:08 pm



Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 16):
There's a 99.9% chance that your friend is selling the 5D original because the 5D Mark II is a new model. My suggestion is to consider the 5D Mark II if you want to buy a 5D series body.

Actually I am quite happy with the 40D and never really thought about getting a new camera. I don't know what he is using (mark II or not). Will ask him tomorrow. Don'tknow how old his camera is, he wants to sell it as he isn't using it anymore.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 17):
In the shop they go for 1000 to 1200 EU with warranty.
So without warranty it should well below 1000,- EU

Hmm, ok. Thanks for that.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 17):
AE1, EOS 620, 50QD, D30, 10D, 20D, 50D, 1Dmk3  
I now regret to have sold my Olympus Om10, Zenith, Praktica etc.....  

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