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Short Lens For Nikon

Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:37 am

Hi all,

Well, luckily it was not my two best lenses, but two items were stolen from my camera bag over the weekend, and need replacement: my new 1.4 x TC, and my battered old 18-70 DX.

The 18-70 DX, though just a kit lens has served me welll. Another copy might be an option, but can you enlighten me on other options from Nikon or other manufacturers? The principal requirement is about 18-50 mm zoom range. I'll pay more for low light glass or VR (IS) for indoor use, but only to a certain extent, since as you can see I'm not very good in taking care of my stuff.

A lazy associated question, the theft occurd in the field in Belgium, no doubt while I was photographing an aircraft. Am I right in thinking that my travel insurance is never going to pay, claiming negligence on my part?

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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:03 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Thread starter):

A lazy associated question, the theft occurd in the field in Belgium, no doubt while I was photographing an aircraft. Am I right in thinking that my travel insurance is never going to pay, claiming negligence on my part?

I assume you filed a report with the Belgian Police? if not, do so ASAP and try. You've got a no right now, might become a yes.
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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:16 am



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):

No, Jurgen, since I only found out about it this morning, in fact.  eyepopping  I guess I'd need to go there in person to file a report... that's why I'm asking about my chances.

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Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:33 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Thread starter):
The principal requirement is about 18-50 mm zoom range. I'll pay more for low light glass or VR (IS) for indoor use, but only to a certain extent, since as you can see I'm not very good in taking care of my stuff.

I know of AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm ED F/3.5-5.6 with VR II, that might fit the bill. It has 17 elements in 11 groups, weighs about 485g, uses 67mm filter attachments and has HB-39 hood. Closest focus distance is 38cm.

I won't suggest the 24-70 F/2.8, that is a great lens, but probably way too expensive for your needs, and it won't give you the wide-angle you want on a DX format Nikon camera body.

I hope the 1.4x TC wasn't the Nikon TC-14E II?  Sad If it was, I can understand your pain.

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Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:39 am

Another option is the 17-55 f/2.8
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:42 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):
I know of AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm ED F/3.5-5.6 with VR II, that might fit the bill. It has 17 elements in 11 groups, weighs about 485g, uses 67mm filter attachments and has HB-39 hood. Closest focus distance is 38cm.

I'll look into that, thanks.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):
I hope the 1.4x TC wasn't the Nikon TC-14E II?

Unfortunately it was.
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:53 am

Sorry to hear that, Peter! It is a shame that such things happen!

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 2):
I guess I'd need to go there in person to file a report... that's why I'm asking about my chances.

I assume you can always file a report with your local police.

Good luck,

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Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:49 pm



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 6):
Sorry to hear that, Peter! It is a shame that such things happen!

Yes, well, that's life, Walter.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 6):
I assume you can always file a report with your local police.

Nah, Dutch police won't accept it, arguing that they can't go after the thieves. That sucks.
However, I just called the friendy local police station in Belgium  thumbsup  and they have at least registered the case, though I'd need to go there for an official report.

Thanks for your help.
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Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:15 pm

Did you register your gear on the Nikon NL site? Perhaps also try looking at various internet auctions maybe you can issue a warning there.

16-85 I heard is quite OK.

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Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:29 pm

Peter -- sorry to hear that. The thief might have been another Nikonian who had heard about how great the 18-70 really is. I had one for years and yes, it vignetted slightly at the wide end, but I found it a brilliant general -purpose lens nonetheless. Now Nikon wants to sell you the ridiculously expensive 16-85 VR instead. Just say no and replace your stolen 18-70 with another copy of the same lens; if you don't mind used lenses, the biggies (Adorama, BH) and KEH.com usually have a few copies.

I tried the 18-135 AF-S for a week and frankly I didn't need the extra reach in a walkaround zoom, nor the extra size. When we aviation shooters need that focal length, we pull out the *serious* glass.

Re. the converter: the TC-14e does exactly the same things as the -eII but costs a lot less since it's been discontinued. Optically it's the exact same piece of glass and it works great for me. Get a used TC-14e and I promise you'll be happy. Not to go all Ken Rockwell on you, but used lenses are a great idea and they hold their value forever. Also hurts less when some Belgian steals 'em.  Smile
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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:52 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

An 18-55 VR is about what I feel I need. That lens cheap too - which always raises suspicion. Some people (Rockwell) say it's actually quite good, others say it's not in the same class as the 16-85 VR. I'm hoping for another couple of replies.

I was generally pleased with the 18-70, but it almost seemed to have its off-days in proper focussing, so I have my doubts about buying a secondhand copy. I have less doubts about a secondhand TC-14. I'll look into the basic TC-14E, thanks Alberto.

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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:14 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Thread starter):

Try homeowners insurance if you have it...here in the US you would be covered...j
 
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Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:36 am

Peter - I bought a 18-55 VR along with my D5000, it is a decent, inexpensive lens.

It is quick to focus, seems reasonably sharp, and I like the 52mm filter size, which is the same as many of my primes.

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Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:36 pm

I have been using the 16-85 VR on the D200 for 1 year now, and I love it. Very solid, sharp, and awesome VR system for shooting action. Some air to air samples to be found here (my shots are 4th, 5th, and first half of the 6th row):

http://www.jetstream.pl/web/galeria/36.Kaszubskie%20Bryzy.html

I was considering the 18-55, But I like the extra reach and better build quality of the 18-65. Highly recommended!

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Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:48 pm

My first accepted shot was taken with the 18-55 VR

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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:46 pm

Thanks for all the advice. I made a little detour to Belgium this weekend  Yeah sure and filed a report with the local police.

I'm having second thoughts of not having the 55-70 mm covered. There's a certain a.net crew member who buys too many lenses, so I guess I'll buy his barely used 16-85  Smile

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Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 15):
I'm having second thoughts of not having the 55-70 mm covered.

I don't have this covered either, but I have never missed it to be honest.
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Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:37 pm



Quoting JRadier (Reply 16):

It's a small gap of course. But it's also about not having to mount the big 70-200 for every 70mm shot.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:14 pm

I love my Sigma 18-50 f/2.8. You can get it for about $420.
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:41 pm



Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 18):

I do like the f/2.8 bit.

I wonder how this performs against f/3.5 with VR/IS for indoor use... any ideas?

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:36 pm

The 18-55 VR is definitely sharp, but a little slow to focus, and assuming the build quality is the same as the non-VR version, the wobble in the focus ring bothers me (if you so much as touch the focus ring during a shot, you can throw off the focus a little bit). That's more of a macro issue than a spotting one, as is the poor bokeh.

I damaged my 18-55 and debated for a while between the 18-70, the 16-85 VR, or the 18-105 VR. The extra half stop of aperture at the long end is what sold me on the 18-70. It's a much better built lens than the 18-55, with better AF speed and full AF-S (can adjust focus while in auto mode). I wouldn't mind the extra wide angle of the 16-85, but for twice the cost I decided to skip it. VR is of minor value to me in a wide angle lens. I can easily get sharp shots at 18mm and 1/10.

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 19):
I do like the f/2.8 bit.

I wonder how this performs against f/3.5 with VR/IS for indoor use... any ideas?

VR, depending on the version, gets 2 to 4 stops (according to the marketing claim...a couple reviewers feel 1.5 to 3 stops is more realistic) slower with the same amount of blur. That's for still objects. VR doesn't stop moving objects, although it can help with panning. A 2.8 lens is half a stop faster at the wide end, but as much as 2 stops faster at the long end.
 
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:02 pm

I cannot find one complaint with my Sigma's. They feel strong, and work. Focus may be a tad slower as usual, but its VERY good. My D300 may help with that as well. It's a very good alternative that I will use until it disintegrates. And at that point, once I ever get money to get all Nikkor glass, I'll still keep it!

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Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:06 pm

Hi guys

Good news, my travel insurance is paying me just over 500 euros for the two items, which given the age of my 18-70 is quite reasonable I think. Thanks for urging me to try and claim!

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RE: Short Lens For Nikon

Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:14 am

I may get yelled at  Smile
but take a look at 18-200VR. Great walk-around lens - and I got a few shots accepted here which were taken at 18mm.

you can look in the DB searching for "18-200"
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