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What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:31 pm

Hi Guys,

I am now looking at getting an 18-200mm lens to fit the Canon 1000D/ 450D. Can anyone reccommend the best one for under £200. Pros? Cons?

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:13 pm

None, LOL!

Seriously, 18-200s are best left alone unless you desperately need one - a lens going from ultra-wide-angle through to medium telephoto is never going to give the finest results. Better to opt for a twin-lens combo, e.g. 18-55 kit lens and 55-200 or 70-200/300 (or similar).

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:44 pm

Jaktrax is right - an 18-200 is too much of a compromise. Anyway the best 18-200mm (the Nikon) costs more than £200.
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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:25 pm

Ok,

Ill stick with the Canon 18-55mm and 75-300mm! Big grin
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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:17 pm

Good idea! Not the best lens combo (they're both obviously only budget lenses) but certainly better than an 18-200. Besides, the EF75-300 F4-5.6 USM III (make sure it's that version as the other 75-300s - bar the old IS - are terrible!) tends to be the best performer in its class. Very soft above about 210mm however. Still, more than good enough to get images accepted here.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:34 pm

Actually, I hear the Sigma 18-250 OS is getting some pretty high marks. Yes, it won't beat your 70-200 for image quality but for a travel day lens it would probably work really, really well.

Here's a good review of the Sony mount version: http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2009/0...sigma-18-250mm-f3-5-6-3-dc-os-hsm/

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:30 pm



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 5):
Actually, I hear the Sigma 18-250 OS is getting some pretty high marks.

Dan, the long end has real narrow aperture, though (f/6.3). So, here's something I've been meaning to ask for some time: most Canon bodies autofocus up to f/5.6. What happens with zoom lenses that reach f/6.3 (like the Bigma)?

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:40 pm



Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
Dan, the long end has real narrow aperture, though (f/6.3). So, here's something I've been meaning to ask for some time: most Canon bodies autofocus up to f/5.6. What happens with zoom lenses that reach f/6.3 (like the Bigma)?

The lens tricks the body into thinking it's f/5.6. At least, that's the explanation I was given for the Bigma.
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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:07 pm



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 5):
Actually, I hear the Sigma 18-250 OS is getting some pretty high marks.

Maybe it is, considering the focal length involved (as well as wide-angle to telephoto), however I just don't trust anything with those focal length figures. There is going to be a best of the worst, and maybe the Sigma version is just that. In respect of my own photography, a 'useful walk-around' lens isn't good enough.

Stick with the twin-lens option - the lens-swapping 'hassle' sure beats a lack in overall quality.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:47 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 8):
Stick with the twin-lens option - the lens-swapping 'hassle' sure beats a lack in overall quality.

Hey, I use a Bigma regularly - if you put enough glass into the problem you'll get decent enough results. You just pay the price in weight and size. The Sigma 18-250 performs better by throwing more glass at the problem. It's bigger and heavier than any of the other ones. The problem with other wide-to-tele superzooms is because there just wasn't enough optics thrown at them to meet a cost. David K's samples seem to be pretty good to me for an average day.

Yeah, you'll be shooting mostly at f/8, but if you're out and about with your kids on a family day, why bother slugging the bag around? The right tool for the job, and all that...
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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:23 am

Dan,

I see what you're saying. Some 18-200s are going to be better than others but, for example (and being a Canon guy), if Canon did an 18-200 F2.8 L its results wouldn't be as good as the 70-200 F2.8 L. The focal length is convenient but you will inevitably lose quality. The 100-400 L is testimony to this, despite being telephoto - telephoto. Like I said, the Sigma is probably the best of a mediocre bunch - sure, it will give you better results than others in its bracket but better results can be obtained by using a twin-lens combination (in my opinion).

I personally wouldn't go near an 18-200 but each to his own.

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 9):
Hey, I use a Bigma regularly - if you put enough glass into the problem you'll get decent enough results

But more glass costs more money. The OP wants something for under GB£200 (~US$300) - while there aren't too many decent lenses in this price range 18-200s would be well off my list. The Bigma is a different kettle of fish (expensive, telephoto - super-telephoto, etc.) and in all honesty can be pretty soft between 400 and 50mm.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:03 am

Absolutely true, Karl ( I use the 500 end more as a spotting scope) but there is something to be said for convenience. I'm not saying it's the world's BEST lens, but I like having options, and to be frank picking up an 18-250 to bring with me on vacation where I don't want to have to drag around a big bag of gear is quite appealing. It also helps that digital lens corrections help pick up a lot of slack for these designs as well.

I might open up a thread about general lens discussion, and what people put into making their bags, as it's probably too divergent from Alfie's original request. Still, Alfie can't go wrong with a decent two lens kit.
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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:12 am

I got a Canon f/4-5.6 55-250 mm. I think it works fine, I guess I'll see if it is that good if I can get any pictures on a.net. I have a pre-screening thread with some pictures if you want to see what the quality of the 55-250 mm is. Good luck,

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:01 am

Hi Guys,

Enjoyed reading this long debate! Big grin

But, I am going to stick with the two lenses. I know there is a bit of hassle, but, a few seconds lost is better than a great photo oppurtunity lost due to the quality.

Thanks to all of you who had you say again!

Cheers,

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:00 pm

Go for it Alfie!

I really see what Dan is getting at but I personally don't mind the inconvenience of carting all my kit around as I only photograph 'planes essentially. I'd rather do the fiddling changing lenses rather than sacrifice quality.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:10 pm

Hi Alfie,

I think from another thread you were looking at getting the 1000D bundle from Jessops but had some reservations regarding the Tamron lens. I've just noticed that Argos are doing the 1000D bundle with both Canon EF-S 18-55 and Canon EF 75-300 lenses for £500. The lenses are not USM and there is no SD card in with the deal but I'd say it's a slightly better deal than the Jessops bundle although I am am more than happy with mine and the Tamron for now.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:42 pm

Garry,

That is an excellent price I must admit! The non-USM 75-300s are supposed to be pretty sluggish but optically I would have though they'd be similar to the more expensive USM III. I don't have experience with the lower-end 75-300s so maybe someone who has can chime in?

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:46 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
the EF75-300 F4-5.6 USM III (make sure it's that version as the other 75-300s - bar the old IS - are terrible!)

On which experience is this statement based?  Confused
I have shot with version USM II for years, mostly analog but some digital. Of course it's not the best, but certainly not terrible. Not at all. You just need to correct the chromatic abberation in PS.


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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:01 pm



Quoting IL76 (Reply 17):
On which experience is this statement based?

Sorry Eduard, should have been more specific - the USM II has been replaced by the III so I was assuming the former would be out of the question for the OP. I'll re-phrase by saying that other CURRENT versions of the 75-300 are inferior to the Mk.III in terms of AF and build quality, however optically I imagine them all being pretty similar.

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RE: What's The Best 18-200mm Lens?

Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:09 pm

Alfie,

Check out www.warehouseexpress.com - they are offering the 1000D + EF-S18-55 + EF75-300 non-USM III for £489.00. Looking at the site it appears that there are now only two production versions of the 75-300 (there were three a few years back) - apparently identical save for one having the USM motor. If the cheaper lens has identical optics it may be worth grabbing this deal.

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