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7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:14 pm

hi all,

i'm planning to upgrade my current camera or lens. unfortunately bugdet doesn't allow both upgrades at once. so my question is what you think of both options. currently i have a 20d and a 55-250 IS and i'm quite happy with it. what i don't like is that it's a bit too noisy at ISO 200+ and a bit too soft, especially at 200+mm.

option 1: upgrade to a 7d, should be better in terms of noise
option 2: upgrade to a 100-400 L IS USM, should be better in terms of sharpness.

i'm heading a bit for option 1. but just a bit.

thanks.

dirk
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:51 pm

Moving from the 55-250 to the 100-400 would be a huge step up in quality and sharpness. 20D is a great camera. If you still really want a new body, why not give the 50D a look?
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:00 pm

One vote here for the 7D. And if you are happy with the 55-250IS, then good.  Smile

I'm not so sure the 100-400L is that big a deal to be honest. Maybe if you want it desperately, save up and get it some time later.

If you are making do without the 100-400L now, then you should be able to make do without it still, and get the benefits that the 7D brings.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:09 pm

If you need the reach, get the new glass. If the places you spot you can get full frame with 200mm and the other photography interests you have don't need past 250mm, then perhaps the body is best.

If you find yourself cropping a lot to get full frame, then you need longer glass.

Cameras change frequently and become obsolete. Soon there will be an 8D or a 9D. The 100-400 will stay useful until the 12D or 13D.
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:43 pm

Why don't you get a 40D with a 70-200mm IS USM.

I'd do that and then save a little.
You wouldn't be losing a lot over the 250mm.

Just a taught


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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:48 pm

Hi Dirk,
If you are considering a 7D at a lot more expense price than say a 40D which has very good noise abilities at higher ISO's then I presume you are also interested in using the 7D's High Definition 1080P Movie Recording abilities.

It's a great idea to have an all in one DSLR/Camcorder and I have had a look at the Recording side of the 7D as I have a Sony HD 1080P Camcorder as well as a Canon 40D and 100-400mm.

From what I see of the specs it has Mono Recording sound when I was hoping for Stereo and more of a problem for me personally is no mention of a lower recording sound from the built in Mic.

My Sony Cam has a "Normal" or "Low" option for sound and I nearlly always have it on "Low" to reduce the hellish wind noise you get at times so I wouldn't be without that.

Just thought I would add some personal thoughts on the Recording side in case it is of interest.

If I were in your shoes I would be looking at buying a 100-400mm now and waiting to see what the specs are for the next Model after the 7D that will inevitably come. I have had my 100-400mm since 2004 and wouldn't be without it especially for longer distance shooting.

Since buying my 100-400mm I have upgraded from a 10D to a 400D then to my current 40D, having good Glass comes first for me.

Fred.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:43 pm

I'd go for the 100-400 or whatever telezoom you'd like to use. You can get excellent results with that lens on your current body.
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:33 pm

lens first .........glass is more important than the body.

down the road you can still buy a new body.

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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:43 pm

Go with the 100-400, just my advice. I used that combo until last year so have a look at my shots before oct 2008 for some examples

Tim
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:05 pm

My thoughts out loud....


Option 1: A 40D and a 100-400L. A good combo IMO. Do you really need 18MP or would 10MP do you? I have the 40D and love it. Produces large enough files for me to print what I need and the noise performance is satisfactory for me. If you sold your 20D and old lens you wouldn't be too far over budget and have both.

Option 2: By the 100-400L first. Glass lasts for a long time. By the time you buy the camera body maybe the 8D will be out the way Canon is going. I may be wrong but in my experience cheap lenses add grain to shots so an improvement would be made there straight away. Same for sharpness.

Option 3: Buy the 7D and use the 55-250 on it until you can buy the 100-400L. IMO you would still have some of the problems of softness and noise (see option 2). The sensor in the camera can only process the quality of image it recieves from the lens.
18MP will show lens flaws even more.

In conclusion, go for the lens first. You may find you don't need a new camera body for a while and you will be amazed at the difference L lenses make.

Yeah, go for the lens. I've decided!


PS It depends on how long it will be between purchases. A few months OK. Whatever. But a year or more i'd go for the lens. Again.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

If I were you, I would go for the lens! I have used it for a long time on my 300D and I was satisfied with the combo. I recently upgraded to the 40D, but sometimes I still shoot with the 300D attached to the 100-400. With your 20D, you should be fine with the 100-400 in front of it!

Best regards,

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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:55 pm

Lens. It's a no-brainer.
Spence.
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:28 pm

100-400L.
Ive had mine since i had a 10D so its now outlasted a 10D,20D,40D,50D,1Dmk2N...
I think you get the picture great lenses last the test of time cameras come and go.
2EOS1DX,EF14.2.8LII,17TS,85/1.2,16-35L,24-70LII,24L,70-200F2.8LII,100-400,300/400/500/800L
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:43 am

Another vote for the lens. A 20D with the 100-400L will give better results than even a 1Ds III with that 55-250IS. I think it would look a bit odd having a body such as the 7D with a budget lens hanging off the front. Out in the field I never see people with expensive bodies and cheap glass (or plastic?) - if anything they're carrying's cheap it's usually the body.

Karl
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:01 pm


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Just plugging Jeff's shot here with the 20D and 100-400. 20D is still a very capable camera.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:06 pm

Another vote for the lens, first, then go for the body. I shoot with a 350D (please don't laugh  Smile ) and upgraded to the 100-400L from the 70-300mm IS USM, which in itself gives fairly good bang for the buck, though not L glass.

The difference was like having a new sensor put in my old camera body - sharper, contrastier, just all round better and further reach too, should you need it. I had to adjust my workflow slightly to cope with the performance improvement which was a nice bonus when I got used to it.

I want to upgrade my camera at some point, but finances dictate this could be a while. In the meantime, the 100-400L has breathed new life into the body I already have and it should still be around to use on that new body one day.

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:26 pm

I've got myself some new gear:

Canon 100-400L
Canon 7D+grip
Canon EF 300f/2,8
Canon 2x TC

I already have a 40D+grip and 17-40L

some years ago I had to choose between a new body or a now lens, I picked a new lens and like said before, it was like a had a new camera, don't forget it's the lens which has the biggest impact on your quality.


When you have to make a choice, first go for the lens, like said before, the 20D is still a good camera.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:20 pm

The 100-400, of course. I don't know if anyone has mentioned above - stepping up to a camera with twice the number of megapixel, you may be very disappointed with the quality of images you get with your old lens. The 100-400 is fantastic for aviation photography, one of the best.

Andrei
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:45 pm

Let's say the OP had an imaginary friend and this friend's camera body was a Rebel XS. Would people then recommend replacing with body? And if so with what (40D,50D,7D)? This friend has a 70-200 f/4 non IS (soon to be f/4 IS), a 28-105 USM II and kit 18-55.

Thanks. Didn't want to hijack this thread, but no sense starting a new one when the OP seems to have his answer  

R

[Edited 2009-10-29 13:45:54]
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:55 pm



Quoting RonS (Reply 18):
Let's say the OP had an imaginary friend and this friend's camera body was a Rebel XS. Would people then recommend replacing with body? And if so with what (40D,50D,7D)? This friend has a 70-200 f/4 non IS (soon to be f/4 IS), a 28-105 USM II and kit 18-55.

Thanks. Didn't want to hijack this thread, but no sense starting a new one when the OP seems to have his answer

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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:01 pm

I was trying to be funny. No sense starting a new thread. People are saying that the Original Poster's 20D is still good, to go with a new lens.

If you simply had a Rebel XS though, like me, is it time to upgrade the body to take the next jump in photography. Or stick it out with the XS for another year.

I could use a wide angle like the 17-55 2.8IS or 17-40L or even a 400MM f/5.6. Or should I just keep what I got of the three lenses above 70-200, 18-55, 28-105 and get a new body and if so which?
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:51 pm

Just another consideration when upgrading your camera: (applies only to RAW shooters)

Photoshop users need to check that their version of Photoshop and Adobe Camera Raw support (or will support) RAWs from the new camera.

For example, when I bought my 40D I found that CS2 would not process my RAWs and Adobe was not going to update camera raw. So I had to upgrade to CS3 which is not cheap.

I know you can use the supplied Canon Software (DPP) but my own personal workflow preference is to use Adobe Camera Raw. I just think its way cooler!

Fro what I can gather from the Adobe website, support for the 7D is not yet released so if you use Photoshop here is another reason to buy the lens over the cam!

This also applies to Camera Raw in Lightroom 2/3 BETA of course.

TC
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:16 pm

Ron,

XS (1000D?) is fine - just over a year old and 10MP so not outdated yet. In fact it's still a current model so no body upgrade needed there!

Decent set of lenses too - you wouldn't notice too much difference upgrading at the moment.

Karl
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 pm



Quoting Trackcharlie (Reply 21):
Fro what I can gather from the Adobe website, support for the 7D is not yet released so if you use Photoshop here is another reason to buy the lens over the cam!

Updated Photoshop CS4 and Adobe Camera Raw and works perfectly for my 7D RAW-shots (20mb/RAW ......)
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:22 am



Quoting Bottie (Reply 23):
Quoting Trackcharlie (Reply 21):
Fro what I can gather from the Adobe website, support for the 7D is not yet released so if you use Photoshop here is another reason to buy the lens over the cam!

Updated Photoshop CS4 and Adobe Camera Raw and works perfectly for my 7D RAW-shots (20mb/RAW ......)

Oh OK. Been updated then....20MB files! I bet these eat hard drive.  Wow!


TC.
 
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RE: 7d Or 100-400 L

Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:27 pm

hi,

thanks for all your replies. looks like it's going to be the lens first.  Smile

i just uploaded a few photos taken with the 55-250 but need to wait for approval. looking at the mtf tables i'm not sure if i really gain that much with the 100-400. did anyone check them or does anyone know where i can find a comparison?

dirk

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