klm77
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Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:16 am

Hi there, i've been spotting planes for a while but today I had finally gotten a chance to to use a DSLR camrea and I took some pictures. After putting them on my desktop I cropped one photo that I really liked and I wanted to ask you photoshoppers what can be done to this picture to make it airliners worthy.

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dlowwa
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:04 am

Hi,

First crop it to an appropriate ratio (3x2 or 4x3) and then re-size it to under 1600pix, preferably 1024.

For this photo specifically, do a better crop; you've cut the tip of the KL 47's stab., and it's just a little unbalanced with too much dead space in the upper-right corner. You'll also need to do some sharpening, as the photo is relatively soft. Finally, make sure you check for dust spots, especially when you've got a blue sky background, as they show up quite easily then.

You can also check the Rejection Guide and the Editing in Photoshop Guide for some good pointers.

Tips for photography in general include finding a good book on the basics, taking an introductory course on photography, trial and error, and having fun!

Dana
 
klm77
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:49 am

Okay will try my best and will re-upload when I have finished the final copy. Thank you very much for the pointers  

Dan
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:46 am

Hello! i have a question too! I have been spotting planes for a while, but i have tried to post few photos to A.net, but they were rejected. Im using Olympus SP-590UZ camera, and editing the photos with gimp.

Could somebody please give me some tips for photographing and editing photos?  
 
Stackhouse007
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:20 pm

Its hard to just tell you what you need to work on or learn if we can't see your previous shots that were rejected and for what reasons they were rejected. If you can provide that to us, I am sure many people will start helping get a grasp of this.

Good Luck
Kyle
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JakTrax
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:16 pm

It's all very well someone telling you what settings you should use and what you need to do but it's a clear case of 'running before walking' if you don't understand the principles of what you're being told - i.e. why you need to be using/doing what you are. Understanding even the very basics will allow you to properly absorb what you are doing and why.

Trial and error is a good way, but I would couple that with the suggestion of reading a good photography book. Those two combined should give you all the information you need to get started.

Quoting Airlinerfanone (Reply 3):
but i have tried to post few photos to A.net, but they were rejected. Im using Olympus SP-590UZ camera, and editing the photos with gimp

I'd like to say that there's a good chance of getting acceptances here with that equipment but I'm afraid there isn't. This site seems increasingly keen to get its photographers using DSLRs and the advancements in technology mean that compacts are being slowly forced out. That's not to say it's impossible but I imagine it's pretty difficult even for veteran users of compact cameras.

Karl
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:55 am

Airlinerfanone,

I personally use an Olympus SP-560UZ, which is an older version of the SP590. It would be difficult, but not impossible to get good shots with this camera. I only have two photos on A.net, and probably a few more on my computer yet to be processed. One of the main issues I have with this camera is the focus. The autofocus is horrendous and the manual focus is such a pain the backside its essentially unusable too. But if the photos do end up in focus, then to be honest quite a good number of them might be usable. To be honest, the post-processing will be the key.

Now I'll show you my two photos:


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Now both were essentially taken from the same location. Lighting is key here, as you don't want the ISO to be too high (though anywhere under 640 should be usable with good post-processing). Now, if you have a good photo, this is my usual post-proessing process.

1. Open photo

2. Level and crop. If the image is of good quality, do a tight crop, if it isn't that good, leave a bit of space on both sides. It then means less pixels for the aircraft, meaning less visible flaws.

3. Contrast/levels. the SP560 has a tendency to make the photos very misty, I don't know if thats the case with the 590. Adjust colour and everything.

4. For ISO 400 and above shots, I do a bit of noise reduction here, before resizing. (use "Reduce Noise", strength 1-2, preserve details 0% and colour noise 0%). For lower ISO shots, omit this step.

5. Sharpen small details. One of the main distinguishing features between DSLR and bridge photos is that the minor details aren't as strong in a bridge than a DSLR. I try to compensate by doing some manual sharpening in the tiny detailed parts, such as any writing on the aircraft (but not the reg), logos, visible pitot tubes, lights etc.

6. Remove chromatic noise/purple fringing- On the 560 the pruple fringing is very heavy, and also to a lesser extent the green fringing. Remove them by selecting the affected area, then "Reduce colour noise- 100%" in the "Remove Noise" tool. Repeat for each affected section. They should look a lot more normaler now

7. Resize. 1024x683 is ideal, nothing bigger than that.

8. Magic Wand to select the sky. This is easy, set tolerance to about 12-15, and just hold shift and select the entire sky.

9. Select Inverse

10. Sharpen- this is my second round of sharpening, where I do the entire aircraft instead of just the small details. I use amount 50-120% (use your discretion here), 0.3px and threshold 0. This boosts the overall sharpness, but should still be slightly soft.

11. Reduce noise. Not necessary 100% of the time, but go to "Reduce Noise", then use strength 10, preserve details anywhere bwteen 15-30%. It will remove quite a bit of the noise.

12. My third and final round of sharpening, I use 100-300%, 0.2px. This just sharpens the very outer edges, giving it a crisp look. This is the final touch of sharpening, and after this, your photo should be ready to go.

13. Sometimes I like to some other minor edits too. Sydney's main spotting area is near the beach so sometimes if the sea colour is too strong I milden it a bit. Perhaps do a final touch of sharpening on the gear, and any other parts that are normally soft. In the end, your photo should be literally picture perfect.

It's a long process, sometimes taking over 20 minutes per photo depending on how picky I am, but tthe end result will be a lot more presentable and a lot more DSLR-like. Good luck!

Cheers,
Belfordrocks
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66chargerfan
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:48 pm

i think the 1st and best thing to do on the PS is crop it to the settings that a.net needs...looks pretty a.net worthy
 
klm77
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:52 am

Well thanks to dlowwa's tips, and the how to edit in photoshop guide, I was able to re-upload the picture and it got accepted!   So once agian I want to give many thanks to dlowwa for being the first to take a look at my picture and giving me the helpful pointers.  
 
stevemchey
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:15 am

Why so modest? Let's see the shot...  
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Photo © Dan Miclea

 
JakTrax
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:10 am

Well done! Obviously shots with compacts are still very much alive and well here. To be honest for static shots I think they do just fine but in lower light or with fast-moving subjects I reckon it'd be much harder. Still, nothing wrong in trying - one may receive a surprise!

Karl
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:50 am

What a nice mage. Well done!
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:41 am

When you're tracking a moving plane, say on the taxiway, is it better to follow the airplane and then take the shot or is it better to point the camera at one spot and take the picture when the airplane comes into view? Whats the best shutter speed for moving airplanes say on taxiway, runway, or in air?
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:47 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 12):
When you're tracking a moving plane, say on the taxiway, is it better to follow the airplane and then take the shot or is it better to point the camera at one spot and take the picture when the airplane comes into view? Whats the best shutter speed for moving airplanes say on taxiway, runway, or in air?

Point the centre focus spot on one detail near the middle of the plane (or where ever is convenient), and then track that detail as smoothly as you can - keeping both of them lined up the whole time. As the plane moves along, just track that detail, be it a door, or a particular window as smoothly as possible.

If you get it right, you'll get some lovely panning type shots if the conditions are right for that. This applies for DSLR / SLR cameras, don't know how well you'll go with a point and shoot camera because I've never used a modern one.

I can't give advice particular to point-and-shoot cameras.

[Edited 2010-04-21 00:48:03]
 
Airlinerfanone
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:08 pm

Hello!

Belfordrocks, thank you so much for your tips, i will use them! Are there any good "Add on's" for 590? Like some tubes/lenses of different sizes?

Thanks: AFO   
 
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RE: Any Tips For A New Photographer?

Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:45 pm

I dont think there are any accessories for the 590, there might be cosmetically (grips, lens caps etc). If you look to try to upgrade your camera, the best thing you can do buy yourself a tripod (they're around $30 or so), and try to get that shutter low. At the long end of the 590's zoom, use no higher than 1/400-ish. Yes perhas there might be a bit of blur here and there for some photos, but for the others the extra quality in terms of reduced noise is well worth it.
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