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Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:06 am

Hi Guys,
I live in Sydney, Australia and I've always had a real passion for aviation since a young age. A couple of months ago I went to Sydney airport to admire some planes(without a camera) and I saw heaps of guys taking photos. I'm planning to go back in early December and want to take a good decent camera with me. My dad has a 12.1 megapixel compact camera and I don't want to spend a huge amount of money. I'm only 16 and don't have an extremely large amount of money on me.
It would be appreciated if you could give me a website to the recommended camera.

Thanks,
Matt

P.S. Could anyone recommend any really good spots around Sydney Airport to take some awesome shots.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:35 am

Hey Matt,
Sup? Read my post (its still in the form.. I think under yours). I have decided towards a D90, and I'm 14. The lens kit is EXETREMELY good. I mean a 18-105 mm as a kit lens! Its an all-purpose lens which is given at the start! It comes in under $1000. I heard that there is a D95 coming up, but the problem is that the rumors are that with BODY ONLY it comes as $1199 and... with the lens it will be approximately $1500 and thats quite.. expensive for our kind.

Good luck!
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:52 am

An entry-level body like the Canon EOS Rebel T2i (550D) with the kit lens (18-55mm) and an inexpensive long zoom like the Canon EF-S 55-250mm is probably enough for you, although I don't have any idea what spotting at SYD is like. The body and kit lens cost about $900 from B&H, and the 55-250mm lens is another $230 (not including shipping.) If you want to save some money, you could look for a used body like the 500D or 450D instead (I use the 450D with the aforementioned lenses myself), although I don't recommend buying the 1000D.

I recommend Canon only because that's what I'm most familiar with; before you commit to a specific body, go to a local camera shop and try out a camera in person. Specifically, see how a Canon (like the ones I've mentioned) compare to a similar Nikon body (like the D90 or D3100) and a similar Sony body (like the A450 or A390) and see which one you like the most.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:07 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 2):
I recommend Canon

The problem with Canon is its noise handling capabilities. There are many people who are unimpressed with the amount of noise produced. This is where Nikon excels.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:18 am

Hi Matt,

If you're wanting to get photos uploaded onto here, It's almost vital but not imperative to have a DSLR. If you're taking pictures for the enjoyment of doing so, your dad's camera should be fine. You might want to check out some auctions on ebay or the like if you want a DSLR and have a really tight budget. The Canon EOS 400D is a very capable camera and I see one on there with 2 lenses (up to 300mm) with a starting price of A$300. The equivalent Nikon is probably the D50/D60 (for price comparison) as these models are now obsolete.

Quoting thatmattguy21 (Thread starter):
P.S. Could anyone recommend any really good spots around Sydney Airport to take some awesome shots.

Take a look at these sites:

http://www.spotterswiki.com/index.php?title=Sydney_Airport_(SYD/YSSY)

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/wheretospotsyd.html

The international terminal observation deck is the easiest and most accessible. If you have use of a car, the Beach is an excellent spot to get up and close.


Cheers,
Nicholas
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:47 am

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 3):
The problem with Canon is its noise handling capabilities. There are many people who are unimpressed with the amount of noise produced.

Who?  
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:13 pm

The Nikon D90 or the Canon EOS 550D will fit you, if you're a beginner. The D7000 could also be a wise choice.
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:18 pm

 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:33 pm

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 7):
Have I proven my point?

The first link compares high ISO performance (1600 and above), which don't get used often to begin with, and shouldn't be weighted heavily when considering a body. (I've mentioned myself in another thread that I only bother with ISO 1600 occasionally, in circumstances where I'd normally use flash.) The other two of those links refer specifically to the 50D, and while there have been reports of unusual noise issues in specific individual bodies, it's not a bad camera overall.

50D & 7D Overly Noisy And Lacking Pixel Detail? (by JakTrax Nov 4 2009 in Aviation Photography)
Canon 50D Noise Levels At ISO100 (by ANITIX87 Sep 21 2010 in Aviation Photography)
EOS 50D Opinions Please? (by JakTrax Dec 22 2009 in Aviation Photography)
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:41 pm

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 8):
it's not a bad camera overall

I never said it was bad mate. Canon has some great cameras! Its just when COMPARED with Nikons, Nikons have a greater noise handling capability  
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:38 am

Ok guys thanks so much for all the input and help. Could anyone think of any reasons how i can convince my parents to let me get camera such as the ones said. They know i want to be a pilot and am totally in love with aviation, so what do you think I could do.

Thanks,
Matt
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:02 am

Quoting thatmattguy21 (Reply 10):

Hey Matt,
I am in the same situation as you. I am 14, my parents know I want to be a pilot (and they support my choice   ), and they know I LOVE aviation. Well, what I did to get a camera was this. First of all, I displayed my affection of photography by taking photos with our current family camera (it was a point and shoot so don't worry-- you can do it too) and then showing it to them. Keep on doing it until they know you have a passion of photography. Then, try and butter them into buying it by hinting by giving information about different DSLR's or otherwise go direct and ask them for one for your birthday. If they really know you have a passion of photography and you love it, they won't hesitate  

Good luck! (and trust me, you will be able to   )
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:30 pm

I have had a 5MP point and shoot camera since the time it was quite rare to get 5MP on a non-professional camera.
Last year I finally got to the point to buy a DSLR, although I didnt have too much money to spend. After discussing with a friend, who is professional photographer and showing him some of my photos, I decided to go for the Canon EOS 1000D. It is a nice price for a starter, and the advantage with Canon compared to other brands is that they always keep using the same lens mounts, so if you spend money on a good lens now, and in 10 years you buy a new camera, you can still use that lens.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:59 pm

Hi, I posted the following in your other message:


If you are in Sydney - I'd recommend Nikon on Broadway for anything Nikon related. They do not have any online store, though they do have a website:

http://www.nikononbroadway.com/

The guy who runs the place is very easy to deal with - and the customer service is great.

I first dealt with them to get an Nikon SB-900 speedlight, and since that I continue to go back to them, if only for the fact I don't get the run around and that they know what they are talking about. Their prices are also very reasonable.

I don't know if there are any similar Canon minded stores.

I don't have any particular camera recommendations - except that the kind of cameras and lenses most people use do cost $$$$. How much $$$$ do you wish to spend. Keep in mind that at Sydney airport, you usually need the traditional Canon 100-400mm or Nikon "Nikkor"80-400mm VR lens because you usually need to take long-distance photos.

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 9):
They know i want to be a pilot and am totally in love with aviation, so what do you think I could do.

Work really hard in school - get good results in the exams, they might just get you the camera you want. As for being a pilot, again, do the best you can do in school - and then go sign up for the Air Force. If you love flying, that's as good a place as any to get started.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:05 am

Hi
If you dont have a fair amount of money like i do then i would recommend i think the Sony a380 or the newer Sony would do good its fair priced and it has IIRC 14 or 15 and it has the ever added to Sony line up of accessories

EDIT: Sony's current line up of inexpensive entry-level cameras are two choices the A290 or the A390 the A290 is MRSP (US)$441 and the A390 is MRSP (US)$500 the latter has live view a tiltible LCD screen (if your in to that) and thats all the A390 has different from the A290 both have 14.2 megapixels 2.7 screen and Anti-dust technology

Sorry if I made you feel like i was selling to you  duck   duck 

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:14 am

My advice to young or "beginner" photographers;
Great photos are made by great photographers, not just by specific cameras. First, read every photo magazine and book you can get your hands on. The guys who write all the articles are ALL great photographers. Learn all you can about what make sharp photos; ( such as avoiding hand held shots anytime you can use a tripod, unipod, bean bag, sand bag, or anything else that keeps the camera steady) Learn about depth of field, good composition, etc. Without the basics, no camera is going to make great pictures.
Many of the photos on A.net are of subjects that are very difficult to take sharp photos of; ( moving airplanes, most at great distances.)
My advice to any novice, regardless of age, is don't try to start at the "top", start at the "bottom"; go to airshows, where you can get close to the planes, ( which are NOT moving ) and learn by taking lots of photos with an inexpensive camera) of which there are too many to count; I will mention just one example; I have a little Fuji Finepix 1000 that I have made some remarkable pictures with. 12X optical zoom, 10 mega pixels, a view finder ( such as it is ) and it's VERY portable. I keep the thing on my belt in a small nylon pouch almost all the time. I frequently use it mounted on a small cheap unipod from Walmart (18 bucks U.S.) The camera, $189 bucks U.S. The thing has a very sharp lens; I actually have some hand-held photos of some very detailed interiors in a very famous building in downtown Chicago that I have made into 18" X 24" matted & framed prints that were good enough to get me "invited" to do a "show" there! I'm mentioning all of this to make a point; it's not just the camera, and not just the guy holding the camera, that makes good pictures of anything. You MUST "know about" photography. This only comes about from reading, studying, and taking lots of pictures.
One last bit of advice; don't get "caught up" in the big ongoing battle between Nikon verses Canon ! They both make fabulous cameras, but you need not have either to make fabulous photographs.

When you feel like you know how to take pictures, then you can start worrying about which Nikon or which Canon to buy. Lean by taking pictures of the "easy" stuff, ( non-moving subjects ) before you try to do the "hard stuff"; There is a lot to learn about photography; ( I have been studying it for about 65 years now, and I'm still learning more every day! )
Worrying about how to get your pictures on A.net before you are a competent, experienced photographer is like putting the cart before the horse!
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:07 am

Matt, i am 16 aswell and just started like you. I'm currently using a Canon EOS Rebel XS, but ffor you i'd recommend the Xsi because it is a slight advantage over mine,
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:34 am

When I was in your position 4 years ago I got a 2 year old Canon 300D second-hand and a 75-300mm IS USM (which is still worth a fair amount today). This all came to £500. The lens cost more than the camera, but do you need a long lens in Sydney? You sure do where I go.

If, like you say, you want to keep it relatively cheap, i'd get a second hand model from 2007/2008 in great condition. (One careful lady owner etc...)

Deep down I reckon your parents will know it isn't such a bad investment, i've had my camera 4 years. Compared to shelling out on a PS3, 32" LCD TV and games etc.. its not a bad investment plus you get to go outside and enjoy your interest in aviation and meet some decent people.

Plus as you get older you might find other uses for your camera, such as taking photos of the good times at university. Compared to your mates little cameras, yours will blow theirs out of the water quality wise and they will enjoy the quality. It can be used for all kinds of things not just aviation pics. I take photos for the student mag with mine.

Good luck but I'd not recommend paying big bucks for a brand new camera, get a decent 2nd hand one and have some spare cash for a decent lens, bag and card etc..
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:01 pm

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 3):
The problem with Canon is its noise handling capabilities. There are many people who are unimpressed with the amount of noise produced. This is where Nikon excels
Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 9):
I never said it was bad mate. Canon has some great cameras! Its just when COMPARED with Nikons, Nikons have a greater noise handling capability

Jeez! All us Canon owners had better switch then as your images are obviously much better than ours!   

When will folks realise that Canon and Nikon are about the same overall? Where one is slightly better the other will excel in another area, and vice-versa. If Nikon were miles ahead with noise don't you think we'd all own them? I'm not being funny but can you quote sources please? And reliable ones as opposed to the irrelevant ones you've linked to?

Some Nikons handle noise better than some Canons, and it works the other way too. I can point you in the direction of many comparisons where a Canon's low ISO performance outstrips Nikon's - as well as instances of the opposite. I appreciate you are only 14 years old but making a statement like, "When COMPARED with Nikons, Nikons have a greater noise handling capability" is very wide of the mark.

Finally, to clear things up regarding the 50D, it appears that there was a bad batch initially that seemed to produce excessive noise. An isolated fault and not a camera trait. I have had my 50D for 12 months nearly and its noise performance is better than anything I've owned before. And having compared it to several Nikons, I can attest to the fact that there isn't anyhting in it when viewing with the naked eye.

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:19 pm

In other words, you can never go wrong with both Canon and Nikon.
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:46 pm

Quoting 5J (Reply 19):
you can never go wrong with both Canon and Nikon

Or Sony these days for that matter - although their choice of lenses is still some way behind the 'big two'.

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:49 pm

Quoting 5J (Reply 19):
you can never go wrong with both Canon and Nikon.

You can. Both Nikon and Canon have some mediocre lenses.
Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
 
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:03 pm

Viv, I think he was referring to bodies only.

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:46 am

A young fellow wanting to buy a "fairly inexpensive" camera to do aviation photography, needs advice; you have already received some VERY good advice; one young man says, "buy a very good used camera".......I believe that's good advice for anyone, regardless of your age. Best way I know of to save lots of bucks: the only catch is, how does one go about getting a "great deal" on a used camera? There isn't enough room here to explain all that, but I can point you in the general direction . Obviously, you are "online"; get on eBay; spend a bunch of time looking at what cameras and lenses are bringing. There are many bargains to be had on eBay. I have personally bought tons of stuff on eBay, and I have only been "disappointed" one time. ( A Nikor micro lens, described as "perfect condition" that looked like it had been used to hammer nails with) But I was so far ahead of the game, money wise, that I wrote it off to experience and forgot about it. It's true, there is much to learn about buying on eBay, but it has saved me tons of money.

But even before you do that, here's the BEST ADVICE I can give anyone, whether you are just starting out, or whether you are a "pro" with tons of experience; the very first thing you must do, is to become knowledgeable about digital cameras, lenses, etc. The very best way I know of to do just that, is to spend $15 dollars (U.S.) for the current issue of "PC How-To Guide"/ Digital Photography Buyer's Guide. The current issue has a lot of stuff on the front cover, ( don't all magazines?)
such as "Mega-Zoom Shootout", "Our Top Picks", plus "Hands On Reviews Of 20 Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax,Panasonic, and Kodak digital cameras. If you spend a couple of evenings reading and studying this publication, you will learn more about digital photography and what camera to buy than all of the photographers on A.net, all rolled into one can tell you.
That's a very "big" statement, I realize; I do not wish to step on anyone's toes here! Obviously, when you look through all the photographers who up-load pics to A.Net, you are looking at many of the worlds best, most experienced photographers, that just goes without saying it. But NO ONE can make smart buying decisions, without first having a thorough knowledge of the subject, and the equipment available.

Above all, stay OUT of the current big "Canon/ Nikon" bruhaha! These two great companies produce and sell probably more cameras than all other manufacturers put together; There are many good reasons to buy one or the other; but there are ALSO many other fine cameras "out there", and there are also some pretty good reasons to buy some of them.

Here's just one small example; these days, one of the "hot technologies" is VR; Vibration Reduction; it' great if you have it; but different makers use different "schemes" to achieve it; many makers build it into each lens they make; others, notably Sony, (which does not have years and years of designing fine lenses, such as Nikon and Canon have), build their VR into the camera body, thus allowing one to save big on buying a bunch of lenses. Is one way "better" than the other? We could be here forever, debating about that!

Just three days ago, I happened to "bump into" a fellow, who was taking pictures with a tripod mounted camera, in a wooden covered bridge, in my tiny little village in western Indiana; we got to talking.........I said, Wacha shootin with?
"A Sony A-900 says he"; ( I immediately know I'm talking to A. a "Pro"; B. A very "serious" amateur; C. A rich guy, or D. all three. The A-900 is a full frame, $2,700 "body only" camera. He proceeded to explain to me that it used "in body" VR, and that he used a whole line of fine Minolta lenses with it, and that for many things, he loved it. I then mentioned that I was about to buy a new digital Nikon; in-as -much as I already happen to own 7 Nikon lenses, and I wanted the new camera to "support" them; we then discussed various Nikon models, and he said, step over here to my R.V. Whereupon he produces a Nikon D-90, a D-700, a D-300S, a brand new D-7000, and a D-3S ! ( We're talking about $11,000 worth of just Nikon bodies, plus the $2,700 Sony! Suffice to say, I was rather "surprised" to see one guy with all this camera gear, but I think he was even more surprised to bump into an "old" guy, out in "the sticks" who knew what every one of these things was worth! I then explained that, while I am pretty "familiar" with high-end equipment, I had been studying the afore-mentioned publication for several weeks now, before shelling out my hard-earned cash for a new camera. I think he was even more impressed by that.

Then the guy pulls out his iPad, and proceeds to show me the most incredible collection of images I have ever seen;
Mostly scenics........each shot in ordinary sunlight, then a duplicate taken with infra red; This just blew me away! I have done precious little IR work using IR film, with a Nikon F-5, but I had not the slightest idea how one goes about it, using a digital camera. He explained that, first, you buy a digital camera body, then you pay a technician $400 to remove the IR filters from it, and PRESTO! You have a dedicated IR camera; "So what if you want to use regular light again, with it" asks I? Then you pay another $400 to have the IR filters replaced ! ( He now has 3 "dedicated" IR bodies! )

I'm mentioning all of this for one reason; to illustrate how important having knowledge is!

While we were looking at all these pictures, I said, "holy cow, that looks like a Segway on the floor! " He replied, it is a Segway, and have you ever ridden one ? I said the only Segway I have ever seen "up close", is every time I go to Midway Airport In Chicago, I always see this female Chicago cop whizzing around the terminal on one.
He took the thing out, extended the "steering column", and proceeded to give me a 5 minute briefing on "how to ride a Segway", then I got on the thing and rode it all over the parking lot of the Bridgeton Mill. There are no words to convey what it's like to ride a Segway ! Incredible, fantastic, crazy, fabulous............none of these do it justice ! If it were not for the fact that I'm planning to buy some new camera gear, I'd probably be out looking at Segways !

I have always known that it is very valuable to have as much knowledge as possible, about anything you plan to spend much money on, but I have to think that the "paltry" $15 I spent on this new buying guide is the best "investment" I have made in a long time. I recommend anyone wanting to buy a new camera, lens, camcorder, printer or photo software do the same thing.

Charley
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:11 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 23):
Above all, stay OUT of the current big "Canon/ Nikon" bruhaha! These two great companies produce and sell probably more cameras than all other manufacturers put together; There are many good reasons to buy one or the other; but there are ALSO many other fine cameras "out there", and there are also some pretty good reasons to buy some of them.

Well that depends on what your plans are in the future, if buying a DSLR. Of course being young and all, trends change and so cameras might not be something in particular that people keep an interest in so then it'd be ok - it won't cost too much in the long run.

However, going for Canon or Nikon allows the ambition to start saving up on decent lenses which then can be interchanged among the various bodies from the same manufacturer when someone reaches that point. Take me for example. I started off with a Canon 400D with a clear goal in the future of owning a 100-400mm. Since then, I've upgraded to a 40D and I'll soon have a 100-400mm lens in my possession (which I've already bought). Of course it's not just about the big companies but if you know what you're after, you may as well start going along a particular line instead of having to spend more money in switching lines. Not just that, but there'll be a bigger market for onselling equipment from the big companies as these are the more common brands.


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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:22 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 23):
Above all, stay OUT of the current big "Canon/ Nikon" bruhaha! These two great companies produce and sell probably more cameras than all other manufacturers put together; There are many good reasons to buy one or the other; but there are ALSO many other fine cameras "out there", and there are also some pretty good reasons to buy some of them.

Here's just one small example; these days, one of the "hot technologies" is VR; Vibration Reduction; it' great if you have it; but different makers use different "schemes" to achieve it; many makers build it into each lens they make; others, notably Sony, (which does not have years and years of designing fine lenses, such as Nikon and Canon have), build their VR into the camera body, thus allowing one to save big on buying a bunch of lenses. Is one way "better" than the other? We could be here forever, debating about that!

But if you intend on getting serious later down the track, then Canon and Nikon are where you'll find the current best cameras. I started off with a lower-to-mid-range camera, and now I have a D3S (used for various things) - which must surely be the finest low light camera of all.

All I'll suggest is think of upgrade options and the camera systems available. Nikon and Canon are ahead in that respect.

Nicholas above is absoutely right in his opinion.

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:38 pm

I think the reason Charley says that, "You will learn more about digital photography and what camera to buy than all of the photographers on A.net" is not due to photog's here knowing nothing, but more to do with the fact that you're getting opinions and not necessarily advice. These opinions can be very conflicting and can just cause confusion - the Canon guys will push you to their corner and vice-versa with the Nikon lot.

Anything from Canon, Sony or Nikon I think will be fine. I would personally lean towards Canon or Nikon for the reasons outlined above, however Sony really are making their presence in the market known.

Go play with a few at a shop, then make the decision based on which feels better for you.

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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:13 pm

Well, I see a few of you have noticed my "comments" ! ( I just hope the young fellas out there looking to buy cameras paid attention to what I wrote.)

Why I said what I did, re: Nikon & Canon:

I started out many years ago with a top of the line (then) Canon F-1. Canon used to place a bunch of high end new camera gear in the hands of a group of top pros during the Winter Olympics and let them use it during the games; after the games were over, they collected all this gear, cleaned it up, and sent it to some of their top retailers to sell at very attractive prices. I bought the F-1 plus a 200mm, F 2.8 lens, a 50 mm F 1.4. a 50mm f 3.5 macro lens, a 28mm F 2.8 wide angle, a bellows, and a few other "gadgets" . I got what I think was a "very good deal" on all this "lightly used" equipment.

I absolutely loved the F-1; still do. But that was a "long time ago"........zooms were just coming along, auto focus was still just a "dream', and almost every serious photographer had a huge, expensive light meter. How times have changed ! The F-1 was designed to "do everything, for everyone", providing of course you had all the available "gadgets" for it; about 9 different focusing screens, and on and on. I took a lot of pictures with this camera, learned quite a lot, and at the time, I thought if a camera wasn't a Canon............well, you get my "drift" ! Years later, my son called me from Honolulu, sent me a ticket on AA, and I took a 6 week free vacation on Oahu. He was and is an engineer for the Navy and had to be in Hawaii all summer. Before he left California, he had just bought a new Nikon F-5, and 4 or 5 fabulous lenses, plus a fabulous Gitzo CF tripod, and a Arca-Swiss B1 ball head.

He had a rental car, so we ran all over Oahu taking pictures; he with his Nikon, me with my old ( by then) Canon; we had a lot of fun, took a lot of pictures, and I had the opportunity to use all of his new gear a lot.
When I came back home, I got on eBay, bought my own Nikon F5, a very nice aluminum Gitzo, and a "like new" A-S B1 ball head. Plus a ton or so of other "Nikon stuff"; still have all of it, even the Canon, (it's almost an "antique" now 

What I'm trying to point out is..........Canon,,,,,,,,,Nikon......they are both great! You can take great pictures with both of them. But after years of sending to B&H for film, waiting weeks for slides to come back........well, I finally realized, times have changed, there is now a better way of doing it, and I need to change too!

But when I "went digital", I didn't start out "at the top"........I started out at "the bottom", or close to it; The little Fuji mega zoom from Wal-Mart; I have taken some very decent pictures with it.......learned a lot, etc. But at the end of the day, if you intend to "do serious stuff", you're gonna have to have "serious equipment"; I was just on the verge of buying a Nikon D-90; it's a fabulous camera, no doubt about it; but the new D-7000 is now "out"; it has tons and tons of very exciting new technology, and is just not that much more expensive than the D-90, so I hope to have a D-7000 and be "proficient" with it before Thanksgiving. ( More on that in a minute.)

My whole point in telling all this is............it's NOT just the brand name that makes the difference; it's knowledge, and knowing how to use what you have. And I'll tell you what else is a fabulous "investment".......... the paltry $25 I spent to get on A.net ! Where else can anyone interested in airplanes find the best talent in the world, great ideas, people not only willing to help you, but anxious to help you make good decisions. Yes, I firmly believe being on A.net has the potential to help even the best of us to become better photographers. You may even find a few people who disagree with you now and then ! SO WHAT ! Happens all the time; but just remember this...........there is always gonna be someone "out there" who is smarter than you are, or knows something that you don't know; so treat everyone kindly ! Who knows, they may someday become your best friend ! If you have read this far.........thanks for listening!

Charley

P.S.
I have only been on A.net about a month or so.......in that short time, I have had a lot of "luck", all of it good; I have just discovered a young man, practically "in the family" who is flying F-22A Raptors for the USAF; I'm going to be meeting him and the rest of the family at Thanksgiving. Anyone getting a photo of F-22A 07-4140 AK, please email me.....it's his plane, and he's flying it. (I want to make an 18" X 24" print of it for his family)

If you have read my earlier post on this thread, I mentioned meeting a fellow who has tons of very "high end" camera gear, including a "photo blimp" for doing low altitude aerial work; he is contemplating doing a book on some things in the county I live in, and taking all the photos from the air with the blimp; I have offered to "assist" him in this effort; heaven only knows where that may lead to !
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:36 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 27):

Indeed, like you've said, times have changed. Not only in the camera gear itself but in the way you can dispose of the gear too. The likes of ebay present one with a huge marketplace to sell and there are going to be buyers for things if the price is right.

But it's not always about having the latest thing just released. I considered buying a new Canon 50D or 60D but saved my money, bought a 40D last month and along with that, my lens. Many have the same combination as I will and I think it's got good photos written all over it.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 27):
it's NOT just the brand name that makes the difference; it's knowledge

Haha, of course. But for future value purposes, sticking to the big guns is likely to be more beneficial if you did want to sell your kit, pick up a lens for cheap etc. That's the reason why I'll stick to Canon/Nikon/Sony over the rest. Plus you know that they're going to keep on making DSLRS and new lenses for the foreseeable future - ones that will actually fit the body you possess.
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:39 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 27):
it's NOT just the brand name that makes the difference;

At the same time, it's extremely bad advice telling someone to buy a brand that doesn't have much in the way of a system, and then later on, when the person does become more experienced - they ditch that and move to one of the major systems. That costs a lot of money.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 27):
What I'm trying to point out is..........Canon,,,,,,,,,Nikon......they are both great!

I think that's what I said above. I would adapt equally well to Canon or Nikon. But the idea is to take your time and research your first camera purchase carefully. Once you start with one brand, it's highly likely you'll stay with that brand and expand with more lenses from said brand and other accessories. Once you do, you are locked into that brand - and changing to another one costs enormous amounts of money. So anyone starting out must think of that.

Now what did I actually start off with? A $350 Canon 35mm film SLR camera - well before I started taking pictures of planes.
 
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:11 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 22):
I think he was referring to bodies only.

Yep, was referring to bodies only.
Quoting viv (Reply 21):
Both Nikon and Canon have some mediocre lenses.

I agree.  
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:31 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 29):

Agreed. Well put, Chris.
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RE: Beginner Needs Camera

Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:54 pm

as they say.. its not camera...its the user!  

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