mrskyguy
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Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:20 am

I recognize that this sort of post get's a bit old around here, but I've read them all and I'm really here as a last-ditch information-gathering exercise before I make a huge mistake and buy something I won't enjoy.

I'm a SoCal resident, and long-time spotter with the best camera ever built.. my two eyes. That said, my eyes are attached to the worst storage media ever built.. my brain. I often find myself witnessing miraculous moments often thanks to amazing lighting and angular conditions, and am depressed to have no worthy means with which to record it.

I'm finally looking to take the plunge, and have convinced the boss (Mrs) that it's a worthwhile investment. I've read lots of materials and I've spent countless hours over the past few months perusing the information in print and on the net. Unfortunately, while I'm "hungrier" for a solid camera and lens kit than I was before, I'm no better as far as narrowing my choices go.

I'm looking for a camera and kit that can get it done.. I travel significantly for business and may occasionally consider bringing it along. I'm interested in joining the ranks of Airliners.net photographers, but I'm even more interested in simply capturing these moments I spoke of in a previous paragraph. Gently used is perfectly OK to me.. but I don't even know where to start. I'd really like to maximize my buying power before my wife gets smart.

Any ideas? Any kits floating around out there with a solid grouping of quality lenses?
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:56 pm

Used Nikon D90 (as people sell them to get D7000s, they are getting cheap), and the new Nikon 28-300mm lens.
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:05 am

Quoting bistro1200 (Reply 1):
Used Nikon D90 (as people sell them to get D7000s, they are getting cheap), and the new Nikon 28-300mm lens.

Thanks for the tip. Anything I should be aware of with the D90 buying them second-hand?
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:59 am

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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:38 am

No, since anymore you don't need to carry 4-5 lenses around to make good photos. Also put your money in glass, not cameras. To put a Tamron on a D90 is pointless, the quality of a Tamron is simply not up to the standard of a Nikon lens.

Read kenrockwell.com and look at his review of the D90 and look for an article about the "DX Dream Team". Not everyone agrees with Ken about cameras but you could do a lot worse. Basically get a used D90 and a decent zoom like the Nikon 18-200 or the new 28-300, both of which Ken Rockwell rates very highly.
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:47 pm

D90+ 18-200 is an excellent combination but you will likely have a hard time getting them both for $600. You may also want to think about a D80, it's older and doesn't have as many fancy doodads as the newer models. It sounds like you are just starting out, if that's the case then don't overlook it.

Regarding the comment about Tamron... There's a LOT of speculation that Tamron makes the Nikkor 70-300. They are incredibly similar. Ken Rockwell even speculates the same.
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:09 am

Quoting bistro1200 (Reply 4):
Also put your money in glass, not cameras. To put a Tamron on a D90 is pointless, the quality of a Tamron is simply not up to the standard of a Nikon lens.

Read kenrockwell.com and look at his review of the D90 and look for an article about the "DX Dream Team". Not everyone agrees with Ken about cameras but you could do a lot worse. Basically get a used D90 and a decent zoom like the Nikon 18-200 or the new 28-300, both of which Ken Rockwell rates very highly.

I'll check that out. Many thanks!

Quoting user47 (Reply 5):
D90+ 18-200 is an excellent combination but you will likely have a hard time getting them both for $600. You may also want to think about a D80, it's older and doesn't have as many fancy doodads as the newer models. It sounds like you are just starting out, if that's the case then don't overlook it

Yes, I am just starting out.. I'll make no bones about that for sure. Which 18-200 or 28-300 lens do you recommend for the D90? Is it versatile for a wide variety of photography ranging from a.net spotting to my kid's birthday parties?
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:01 am

Holy smokes! The 28-300 lens is expensive!
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:09 pm

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 7):
Holy smokes! The 28-300 lens is expensive!

Hence the comment above about spending your money on quality glass. Lenses aren't cheap, but remember that good ones will often travel with you as you trade up your camera over time. Buying a middle/top-shelf lens today will last you a long time. Buying a cheap one today will most likely mean buying new ones down the road when you want to upgrade your camera--keep the lifecycle in mind.
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:16 pm

The other thing (meant to add to my previous post), is to make sure you do your research. I made the switch from Nikon to Canon a few years ago when my father did. The recommendations above for the Nikon are good (not saying anyone's giving you bad information) but especially in your position where you're just starting out, there's a lot of options. Look into used Canon 50D's and 60D's. You can also practically get a new Rebel within your budget. I started on a Rebel, and actually still shoot on one while I'm saving up for a higher shelf model. If you're new to it and want to try a bit before you fully invest in it then there's nothing wrong with a Rebel or similar tier camera. They take great photos and they're practically within your budget, even new.

In short, read around... there's lots of photography sites with good forums, and lots of review sites out there (like the one mentioned above).
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:12 am

Well - just one thing, whether you buy Canon or Nikon (or any other brand) make sure that you spend at least (at least!) half of your budget on a lens. One great lens within your budget (2nd hand) would be the Canon 70-200 f4L; I'm not too familiar with the Nikon line-up but perhaps they have something similar? I'd say this would be one argument in favour of Canon: while both make great cameras and lenses, Canon lenses tend to be more affordable. But prices change all the time, so somebody please correct me if I'm no longer up to date!
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:58 am

Used Nikon D80+Nikkor AF 70-300mm non-VR lens
 
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 11):
Used Nikon D80+Nikkor AF 70-300mm non-VR lens

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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:01 pm

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 12):

You had mentioned a $600 limit. A used D80(a great digital body) plus a new AF Nikkor 70-300(not the AF-S one) should fit that requirement.

Check out the lens:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._1928_AF_Zoom_Nikkor_70_300mm.html
 
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RE: Suggestions For A $600 Purse?

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:08 am

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 13):
You had mentioned a $600 limit. A used D80(a great digital body) plus a new AF Nikkor 70-300(not the AF-S one) should fit that requirement.

You think I can get those both for $600? And would I miss the AF-S functionality?
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