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Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:26 am

Hi folks,

Am very close now to getting my 50D - but just before I do, I need to clear this one more thing.

Seeing as the 50D is now dis-continued and was released was it in 2008(?) and I wont be upgrading the body for quite a few years is it still worth going for it and maybe buy a 7D which is newer and maybe more 'future proof' and wont be outdated maybe as quickly as the 50D would.

Just wanted to see if anyone else is still looking at buying a 50D or even if you aren't and own one or don't even own one - what are your thoughts? Go for it or pay extra and get the 7/ 60D?

Thanks a lot,

Alfie

P.S I'll be looking at getting the Canon EF-S 18-135mm F.3.5-5.6, anybody got that with the 50D or any other camera? What's it like?
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:54 pm

The 50D is still one heck of a camera. It's still very competitive even with the swarm of new DSLRs. I'd say it's better than the 60D. The best advice i could give you though is, get the 50D, and then save some money for some L glass. The lens will matter as well, and they don't depreciate unlike bodies.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:17 pm

Alfie, two months ago I was wondering the same and I did the same as what 5J advises you now. I bought the 50D (I had a 400D) and it gives me everything I want. I don't need the 60 or 7D's extras. And adding the money I saved buying the 50D I have bought the 70-120 2.8 L. Man, and now I feel rich!!!!
 
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:04 am

Heck, I would still recommend the 40D! The 50D is definitely still a great buy. In fact, more so now since the price has dropped.

I bought the 40D right after it was discontinued and it was a great deal. I still love the camera. So you're in the same situation with the 50D, I don't think you can go wrong with it.
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Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:50 am

You may struggle getting one now (I'm aware of a few people who can't get hold of one). If you can though, go for it. Despite being discontinued it's still right up there with the most modern of today's DSLRs (heck, it's barely two years old!) and is capable of producing excellent images. Only faults I have found are that it can produce a pronounced red cast in certain light, and also it tends to 'out-resolve' many cheaper lenses. Sometimes my 28-105 can struggle keeping up with it but for the most part it's fine.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:36 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
Only faults I have found are that it can produce a pronounced red cast in certain light

You can manually set white balance, right? That should solve that issue, I'd have thought.

My thoughts are the same as the others, good luck finding a 50D, I haven't seen one on sale around the shops for a long time. But everywhere has 7D though...
 
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Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:48 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 5):
You can manually set white balance, right? That should solve that issue, I'd have thought

Yes, but many choose to use AWB, which seems to do a better job of producing the red cast than many other Canon cameras. For a lot of people manually setting the WB is a chore - I rarely do it manually as it's easy enough to remove the cast in Photoshop. Plus of course light can change so quickly, especially here in the UK at this time of year.

Call me lazy but it works for me most of the time.

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Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:31 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Yes, but many choose to use AWB, which seems to do a better job of producing the red cast than many other Canon cameras. For a lot of people manually setting the WB is a chore - I rarely do it manually as it's easy enough to remove the cast in Photoshop. Plus of course light can change so quickly, especially here in the UK at this time of year.

Call me lazy but it works for me most of the time.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:27 pm

Thanks alot guys!

Gonna go for it - have seen a bundle deal with the the 28-135mm and I see you have it Karl, it any good?

I just fear that it starts at too far a focal length, but for my aviation shots it shouldn't be too much of a problem for now.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:14 pm

Quoting 5J (Reply 1):
The 50D is still one heck of a camera.

Clearly, you have very low standards.   Many folks got a 50D and then dumped it and went back to their 40D. The extra MPs would be nice if they didn't come with more noise, softness, and worse high ISO performance...

Quoting 5J (Reply 1):
I'd say it's better than the 60D.

A brick painted like a camera is better than the 60D.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 3):
Heck, I would still recommend the 40D!

Ryan here has totally the right attitude... 40D all the way!!!

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:17 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 9):
Clearly, you have very low standards.

I didn't say it was the best, i just said it can still hold its own against other DSLRs  
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:38 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 9):
Clearly, you have very low standards. Many folks got a 50D and then dumped it and went back to their 40D. The extra MPs would be nice if they didn't come with more noise, softness, and worse high ISO performance...



I nearly went back with my 30D until I realised that the 50D (if you got a good copy) is actually a very decent camera. Mine definitely seems to have better lower ISO performance than the 30D (which was very similar to the 40D), and the extra detail in images is noticeable. Unfortunately that extra detail comes at a price and images straight from the camera can look much softer than those from previous models. This perhaps isn't helped by the 50D's reputation for being very choosy with lenses.

In light of a few dodgy batches which obviously did the rounds I think the 50D has taken a pretty unfair bashing during its time on the market, mainly due to teething problems upon release. Ask most users here now and I'm willing to bet they wouldn't swap for a 30/40D. It appears to be one of those cameras which takes some getting used to, but once you're familiar with its pros and cons it's fine. Took me ages to find a set of lenses that worked perfectly with it, but once you've locked an L on the front the performance is fantastic.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:23 am

Hi all,
Im looking at getting a SLR( trust me im on topic) and have looked at the 20D and 30D as they are lower priced are they still good? Is it the same rep as the 50D?

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:04 am

They are cheaper because they are much older - so I'd suggest not going any earlier than 40D or 50D if you can find them.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
but once you've locked an L on the front the performance is fantastic.

I saw some excellent images out of the 50D from the RAAF FA-18/F handover ceremony. In dark conditions, the images were pretty clean.
 
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:20 am

Ok.

Well, at first I wont be buying any L glass.

So what would you recommend instead?

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:39 am

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 14):
So what would you recommend instead?



L glass! 

Seriously though, a big drawback of the 50D (and a reason why it often gets slated) is it's fussiness with lenses. I currently own only one cheap(er) lens (28-105 II, not 28-135, although they're in the same range) and in some situations communications between camera and glass aren't too clever. With Ls however there isn't an issue.

I'm not advising against the 50D here but I know many who've been disappointed with its performance when coupled with cheap lenses. I once used an 18-55 kit lens on mine and the camera just chewed the thing up! On the flip side I know people who are successfully using 50Ds with budget lenses, but I suspect the copy needs to be absolutely spot on. Check out a friend's images (with the 75-300 USM III) here:

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot..._id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

It is an excellent body but for the most part you need to get the maximum out of it by buying good lenses.

Quoting FedexL1011 (Reply 12):
Im looking at getting a SLR( trust me im on topic) and have looked at the 20D and 30D as they are lower priced are they still good? Is it the same rep as the 50D?

The only reason I'd avoid a 20D is because of the age (I'm thinking about shutter actuations and servicing here, not capability). It's a great camera but the 30D addressed the 20's (very few) minor issues. Both the 30 and 40D are great cameras, andsome of the complaints about the 50D are testimony to that.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:24 am

Karl, I remember you saying you heard that the Canon 18-135mm wasn't bad?

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Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:32 am

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 16):
, I remember you saying you heard that the Canon 18-135mm wasn't bad?

On a lower MP camera it maybe fine, but with the 50D, you really need quality glass as the camera will quite often outresolve the cheaper glass and show up any flaws it may have. If you're serious about a 50D, you need to factor in the cost of quality lenses in the future. Lenses you have now will work fine, but you'll soon see their limitations. I wouldn't waste money on the purchase of cheaper lenses as a stop gap; save the cash until you have the funds for higher spec lenses. It's L's all the way with the higher spec cameras if you want to get the best from them, or Sigma EX etc.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:48 am

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 17):
I wouldn't waste money on the purchase of cheaper lenses as a stop gap; save the cash until you have the funds for higher spec lenses.

Oh, I'd really better start saving for a while then for some L-age.

Am only 14 

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:13 pm

Alfie,

The 28-135 is a fairly decent lens - it just depends on how good your copy is and how it sits with your 50D. In all honesty I imagine it'll be okay.

The 7D and 60D will probably have similar issues, but these cameras I believe aren't quite so temperamental.

Why not look at some lower end cameras and use the cash you save to buy a good lens? I whole-heartedly recommend the EF70-200 f/4 L. Best lens I've ever owned!

Image quality will be determined by the lens, not the camera. As I awlays say, a budget body with good glass will always beat an expensive body with cheap plastic.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:25 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 19):
a budget body with good glass will always beat an expensive body with cheap plastic.

Absolutely correct, a Lada with a Porsche engine will outrun a Porsche with a Lada engine  
If you are 14 I'd even recommend going XXXD end get a 70-200 L F4 lens.
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:33 pm

Meh.

I dont like the ergonomics of the 450D, 500D, 550D!

The 50D was the cheapest of the Canon range that felt ''right'' in my hands (rather large ones too!)

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Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:43 pm

But would you rather have reduced ergonomics but fantastic image quality? Besides, you get used to the feel of the camera you own. The lens is the real investment; the tool. The camera is just what makes it all work. The lens will last you a long time and will hardly lose any value when (if?) you come to sell.

You'll have long forgotten about the 50D in 5 years but you'll still be using the 70-200 with the latest batch of DSLRs.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:43 pm

As what the others were saying above, you could get the same "right" feel with a 40D. It's even cheaper than the 50D and some say that noise performance is better with the 40. But you'll need some luck to find one nowadays, though.
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:09 pm

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 21):
I dont like the ergonomics of the 450D, 500D, 550D!

The 50D was the cheapest of the Canon range that felt ''right'' in my hands (rather large ones too!)

I'm not up to speed on current prices but, is there much of a price difference among the XXXD line and the 50D?

I say if you can find a 40D, get one and pair it with the 70-200 F/4L and you're gold. I'm not suggesting the 40D because I don't believe in the 50D. I'm recommending based entirely by price.
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:24 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 24):
I say if you can find a 40D, get one and pair it with the 70-200 F/4L and you're gold. I'm not suggesting the 40D because I don't believe in the 50D. I'm recommending based entirely by price

Another piece of sound advice. My only worry about a second-hand 40D would be the amount of actuations it has on it. You wouldn't want to buy one only to find the shutter's a few clicks away from being in need of replacing. Some sellers on sites such as Ebay won't mind giving you such info, and if you bought from a reputable retailer I'm sure they'd supply some sort of guarantee.

I'm still of the opinion that your camera decision should be based around a desire for high quality glass. The camera will be less of a factor with regard to image quality. Like I say, the lens is the workhorse, with the camera only really being there to power it.

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Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:26 pm

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 21):
I dont like the ergonomics of the 450D, 500D, 550D!

The 50D was the cheapest of the Canon range that felt ''right'' in my hands (rather large ones too!)

The next series up from the entry level cameras just feel a whole lot better in any case. The bigger and more sturdy grip makes a difference for sure. I bought a 40D earlier this year and I'm amazed at the ISO quality of it when comparing it to other shots of mine taken with my 400D. Now I've also paired it with some L glass and hopefully that will result in nice pictures.
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:39 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
Now I've also paired it with some L glass and hopefully that will result in nice pictures

That's just reminded me of one other thing....

Remember that a 50D paired with L glass is a great start but not an automatic ticket entitling the owner to great images. The person holding the gear is ultimately responsible for picture quality and a camera and lens will only do what they are told to do.

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Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:29 am

Quoting pilotalltheway (Thread starter):

P.S I'll be looking at getting the Canon EF-S 18-135mm F.3.5-5.6, anybody got that with the 50D or any other camera? What's it like?

The 18-135 is great. It lacks a USM focus motor, but it's plenty fast on my 50D, even for aviation. I have several images in the database taken with that combination, and I'm very happy with the extra wide-angle I get with the 18-135, as compared to the 28-135 I had originally looked at.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:08 am

Quoting 5J (Reply 23):
But you'll need some luck to find one nowadays, though.

amazon has some and B&H frequents having one

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:36 am

Little of topic, what's the equivalent of L glass in the Nikon range?

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:06 am

ED I think? Are you thinking of jumping ship to Nikon now? Just to make things even simpler?  

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:27 am

I'm umming and arring after our conversation yesterday! 

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Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:44 am

Nikon are very good too but too many upsets during a decision just make things worse. You are clearly a little confused and adding more to the fray will only lead to a bad decision. There are many choices and you seem to have kind of already made one, so by opening it up again you are only sending yourself back to square one.

Quite often your original instincts are the ones to follow. As I've said. the 50D is more than good enough. It's very unlikely you'll get a bad one - I was just pointing out that it's possible. Nikon have their own set of issues but seeing as we've so far been dealing with Canon only I cannot pass comment.

We're really not trying to put you off; just merely making sure you get the best and most concise advice.

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Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:55 am

Indeed.

I've always thought about the D90, being the other camera that I was looking at. It's not new to me, I've read up on it and know about it too. It's just the whole issue with glass and the 50D. I dont want to have to buy the body worrying that its a little bit dodgy and then wait a while until I can get some L-age.

With the D90, I like the ergonomics, and can get some good glass with it for the same price as buying the 50D body alone.

My search continues...

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Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:50 pm

The D90 is of course a cracking camera, although it's perhaps a tier down from the 50D. Still, I've always rated Nikon's bodies over Canon's to be honest. What I prefer about Canon is the choice of quality lenses, which is undeniable. These two manufacturers will always be neck-and-neck, and it's unlikely one will ever let the other pull slightly ahead.

I can tell that you're worried about getting a naff 50D. Highly unlikely; and besides, we can help you test it to its maximum. I'd say the odds are only a little greater than the chances of getting a poor copy of the Nikon.

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 34):
With the D90, I like the ergonomics, and can get some good glass with it for the same price as buying the 50D body alone



Don't kid yourself. The lens isn't going to be of supreme quality if the bundle is only as much as the 50D body only. You'll still have the issue of reasonable camera and mediocre glass - you're simply switching the problem to another manufacturer.

The 70-200 f/4 L (and I'm sure Nikon users will concur) is probably the best value piece of pro glass currently on the market. I often wonder how they can offer it so cheap, especially considering how low its price is compared with its siblings (and the prices of equivalents from other brands). It was often considered Canon's sharpest lens until the new f/2.8 II came along.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:51 pm

Hi again everyone!

I now have my 50D! Hooray!

I have just the body, now really need to know what lens I should get first, which starts off at around the 18 mark to between 100 and 300.

Thanks

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:53 pm

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 36):
I now have my 50D! Hooray

Congrats! Now get a lens and get out there  
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:06 pm

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 37):
Now get a lens and get out there

I need to know which one to purchase first! 

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:20 pm

I'd say the 70-200 f/4 L but you know that already.  

wide-angle to telephoto lenses usually don't provide the best quality, so I can only really recommend the 18-135, 28-135 and 28-105. Any of these would be okay for Myrtle Avenue and the 27R roundabout, and for heavies from the 09L embankment.

I seriously wouldn't waste time with 18-200s, 55-250s, etc. - buy a lens now that you'll likely use (and add to) in the future. Trust me and I bet you won't regret it down the line.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:50 pm

Great, cheers Karl.

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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:03 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 39):
I can only really recommend the 18-135, 28-135 and 28-105

I agree alot when i get money(and a camera) thats what im buying first. Do you use a tripod with that kind of lens?
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RE: Are We Still Buying 50Ds Or Is It Too Late?

Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:19 pm

I've bitten the bullet!

My 70-200 f/4.0L is on the way! 

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