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Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:54 am

This year will be my first RIAT for photography.Saturday will be a day down with the family, Monday I'll be back down for the departures. I went when I was younger as a 'number cruncher, but was well away from the flight line.

I have looked at images and can see that both a short and long lens will be needed. . . . . esecially for the static stuff, so hope the 18-55mm will be ok.

1 - Will a 70-200mm F4 L be enough for some of the 'flying action'?. Its the set up similar to Farnborugh where you can get a position along the runway.

2 - Is there a 'prefered area' by photographers

Any advise for this airshoe will be great, I have been keeping an eye on the 'display list' and it seems very interesting.
http://www.airtattoo.com/airshow/Aircraft/participation

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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:08 pm

Hi Gary,

I too will be there on Saturday. Most looking forward to the Ukraine Air Force IL-76!!! I have been to the departures day before and that was runwayside like it is at FAB Airshow.

The 70-200mm F/4 L will be good for takeoff's and landings (lineups if you go down far enough) and displays in the air of larger aircraft such as B-52, RAF A330 etc but for the fighter jets it may be a bit of a struggle.

Who else is going, would be good to see some of you there

Cheers

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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:17 pm

That IL-76 and SU-27 Sounds great as do The Saudi Air Force Display Hawks. There are supposed to be a fair few of the 'tiger' aircraft there too.

I plan on being there for when the gates open, drop the family off to secure a spot at the flight display line and go on a fast walk about before too many people block the views of the aircraft on static display. What else are mother-in-laws for?

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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:27 pm

Hi Gary,

The 18-55 will be ok for the static, though you might need to get a bit creative. My Fairford static shots have been with the 18-55 from 2006 onwards. The cones and ropes are usually quite close to the aircraft which makes "whole aircraft" shots tricky and there will be lots of people in the way if you try to move back from the ropes.

RANT ON!
One thing that always baffles me is the number of photographers that turn up on a Saturday or Sunday and shout at people who get in the shot while they stand 30 feet from the rope trying to get it all in the frame. It is a very, very, busy, public event. Anyone wanting a shot clear of people while being that far from the rope will have to be very patient and/or very lucky and/or get in VERY early or VERY late. Hats off to the patient ones who wait and wait, but never shout at people, in the hope of a gap so they can get the shot they really want.
RANT OFF!  

Can't help with the 70-200 question as I use the 100-400. Might not be enough for the smaller aircraft if you are not near the front. The flying display line is I believe, further back than the runway, so take-off if often the best chance for a good flying shot if you are a bit short on length.

The sun is behing you for most of the day which certainly helps.

My own preferred area is right down the East side, the middle is too busy. There are plenty of good to excellent places to shoot right along the runway length. Depends what you are really after and which way the wind is blowing. I like to be near the landing end if possible.

Have fun, I'm going on Saturday and Monday too so let's hope we have good weather.

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:38 pm

Quoting Garyck (Reply 2):
I plan on being there for when the gates open, drop the family off to secure a spot at the flight display line and go on a fast walk about before too many people block the views of the aircraft

   +1

I will be there at 7am I think and the gates open at 7.30, do the dash around the static, grab a decent place by the runway then leave my mum there while I pop around the static again!

I chose Saturday over Sunday as I think Sunday will be busier for families because Alexandra Burke is singing on the Sunday.

I will send you a PM a bit later

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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:59 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 3):
let's hope we have good weather

This is RIAT we're talking about, yes?

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As others have said, 70-200 should be OK for runway shots and bigger flying stuff. I don't think the crowd line is as close to the runway as Farnborough (but not a lot in it), but, the display line is the far side of the runway. For smaller flying stuff, you'll need at least 400mm.

Finding somewhere to shoot is not difficult, especially if you're prepared to get there EARLY!
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:29 pm

70-200 is fine, but you're going to be limited to Runway & Just after takeoff. Anything fighter-sized over the display line wil be too far away. To be honest, even 400mm doesn't buy you much more in the way of opportunities at RIAT, but does help with Helicopters (they tend to scoot around the display line quite slowly) but I was pretty happy with my 70-200 shots from 2005: http://www.pbase.com/sulman/riat_2005

In fact, all of the shots in the gallery are with the very combination you describe.

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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:17 pm

I've never been at RIAT, but I have attended several Air Shows till now...

As others said before, 200mm will be a little bit short to get very good results: if you shot a small plane during the display, like the Typhoon or similar, you'll have to crop too much... and the quality would be affected too.

Personally, I have gone for the TC 1.4x II, mounted on my 70-200 f/4 L , non IS versions, and I'm happy with the results I have got.
80mm are quite useful sometimes, especially when taking pictures at airshows.

As I don't know how RIAT is organizaed, I don't know what will be the distance between you and the display line:
but if you will be close enough to the latter, you could manage to do something good also with a 200mm.
I'll post a sample picture, taken at 180 mm, with a small crop, after a slow passage of the EFA.

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A word of advice: during airshows, fighters usually use smokes... so let's try to make good compositions!
Maybe your results won't be accepted here... but, trust me, your efforts will give you lots of satisfaction.
Just to let you understand what I mean with "smokes compositions", I'll link a couple of shots...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6036974...882216698/in/photostream/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6036974...872277683/in/photostream/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6036974...872278129/in/photostream/lightbox/
(only as an example... don't blame me for the quality   )

So... don't concentrate on the aircraft itself, but bet more on the whole scene!  

Hope it helps,
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:44 pm

Quoting LGW340 (Reply 4):
Alexandra Burke is singing on the Sunday.

I'm going Saturday then.
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RE: Rait 2011

Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:55 pm

I'll be there (for the first time) on Sunday. Very excited to check out the action with a good friend who won 2 grandstand tickets to the event 
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RE: Rait 2011

Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:55 pm

Self plugging alert!

Went last year, the grandstand is good, but contains loads of grumpies so don't stand up.. EVER! And if you can, get a seat at the back and don't leave it unattended!

Quoting LGW340 (Reply 4):
will be there at 7am I think and the gates open at 7.30, do the dash around the static, grab a decent place by the runway then leave my mum there while I pop around the static again!

What a lovely mum! lol

Remember how long the actual static display is too, be sure to keep your timetable with you at all times!

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RE: Rait 2011

Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:21 pm

Took this last year at RIAT, 300F2.8 with a 1.4X TC. I was stood around 20ft back from the crowd line. Didn't get many take off or landing shots as a result.


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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:16 am

That's very nice McG. My similar shot was rejected.....

Anyway, I would suggest that you might get away with 300mm if you are reasonably close to the display line but 400mm is better. Last I used a rented Nikon 80-400mm - this year I'll be using a Sigma 120-400mm. I use a Tamron 18-250mm for the static display. The advice is get there early. I'll be queueing from around 6.30am for gates open at 7.30am. Last I got the West end static to myself virtually and the early morning light was excellent.


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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:26 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 3):
let's hope we have good weather

This is RIAT we're talking about, yes?

Ha, ha!   Yes it is. I'm not going to tempt anything by saying anything more on the matter until after RIAT 2011.

Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 10):
Remember how long the actual static display is too, be sure to keep your timetable with you at all times!

Good advice, the static is pretty big (but apparently not as big as it used to be). It certainly takes me a fair while to get around it, but I do like to see everything.

Quoting derekf (Reply 12):
I'll be queueing from around 6.30am for gates open at 7.30am. Last I got the West end static to myself virtually and the early morning light was excellent.

The morning and especially evening light at Fairford works out really well. Hang back after the show, don't fight with the escaping crowds and enjoy some shots with a difference. You'll like the results and have a quieter drive home.


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RE: Rait 2011

Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting derekf (Reply 12):
That's very nice McG. My similar shot was rejected.....

Thanks Derek.

Wish I had got a better shot of the Harrier than I managed.

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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:25 am

Well, the weather is looking awful as expected for the British summer. Do they have any systems in place to stop the car parks flooding again and cancelling the show?
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:54 am

It should be OK. The problem in 2008 was the rain in the days prior to the show days. The rain doesn't look to be as bad and the forecasts are favouring Sunday at the moment. I'll make up my mind tomorrow lunchtime.
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:35 am

Ok thanks. I have a Saturday ticket so will just have to get wet! I'm hoping Saturday will be a little quieter if the weather isn't as good and also Alexandra Burke is singing on Sunday only so hopefully more families will go on the Sunday!
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:35 am

BBC just says "Heavy rain" for both Sat & Sun.     
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:50 am

I tend to ignore the BBC's "over forecast" to be honest. Not that other forecasts are much better though. It looks like Sunday might be a lttle better than Saturday but it's difficult to say.
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:27 pm

Quoting derekf (Reply 19):
I tend to ignore the BBC's "over forecast"

        

Met office tends to be a little better and that says light rain. My Metcheck says sunny and rainy showers
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:14 pm

I have to say that I ignore Metcheck since I found out the owner had been jailed for indecency with under-age boys. - Not good.
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RE: Rait 2011

Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:38 pm

Quoting derekf (Reply 21):

I have to say that I ignore Metcheck since I found out the owner had been jailed for indecency with under-age boys. - Not good

Oh cripes, I didn't realise. The website doesn't work half the time anyway
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RE: Rait 2011

Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:25 am

Off the met office site this evening:

A generally unsettled and cool period with further outbreaks of occasionally heavy rain and strong winds at times. There are, however, likely to be some brighter, but showery interludes.


It hammered down two years ago when I went on the Sunday.
It was apparently lovely last year when I was away.
And now it appears I am going to get soaked again.

I just love airshows in the UK.
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RE: Rait 2011

Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:31 am

Now that it's less than 24 hrs away, the weather forecasts SHOULD be a little more accurate and they are all saying heavy rain all day! Great. Anybody know a way of finding out how low the cloud will be?

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Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:48 am

I use Meteoblue - it has a neat graphic on the bottom of the forecast page showing cloud cover. It looks like the rain will be heavier on Sunday but not for all day - maybe just later in the day. Well I've committed to Sunday anyway so it's too late now!
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RE: Rait 2011

Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:20 pm

Well the forecasts were right. I went Sunday and had a great day. Hopefully the screeners will see some of the results very soon.
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RE: Rait 2011

Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting derekf (Reply 26):
Well the forecasts were right. I went Sunday and had a great day. Hopefully the screeners will see some of the results very soon.

Saturday was a nightmare in the Morning, I got there at 7am with the family, Parked up and prepared for the worst.......4 hours of rain, clothing stuck to my body, The tannoy saying how the blue stuff is on the way, then finally the show began. I have a few in the queue.

Here's some that I like but feel that they just wont make it on here to give you an idea of how the weather was a 7.30am - 11.30am (If anyone wants me to move these to the feedback forum, let me know). Its hard work holding an umbrella in one hand, camera in other whilst also trying to protect my camera case.

Gary

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