Stealthz
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Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:29 am

Hi All,
Has anyone had any success using a Tablet computer with their photography.

I will be travelling for a while and wanted to minimise what I carried.

Currently using a Motorola XOOM and it has become a pretty important piece of my kit.

The problem is getting RAW files (Canon .CR2) from the camera to the XOOM.

Have a couple of apps that see the files once on the tablet but getting them there is a challenge, .jpg files are no problem, plug the camera into the OTG cable and turn it on, images are immediately available for import, but it will not recognise RAW files.

I don't want to carry around a laptop as well, also don't want to wait 2 weeks see the results..

Any ideas??
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McG1967
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:23 am

I was looking at an iPad around 9 months ago for this very purpose, and in the end I went with a Macbook Air 13" which is around the size of a magazine for travel. Has LR3 installed and handles files from a Canon 1DIV no problems. Store the images in a portable hard drive.

The only issue being that the Macbook Air is around double the price of the tablet.
 
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:57 pm

I've been playing with an iPad recently - and though it looks gorgeous, I'm struggling to find a 'must have' use for it. I think the image quality is brilliant - probably good enough for image editing, but most of the software I use won't run on it (fair enough, I'm PC based) but most importantly, I can't download from my cards without buying additional add-ons.

IMHO iPad 2 is still mostly an entertainment/social media device. Personally I'm going to wait to see what the next generation (iPad3 and a number of Androids) have to offer - all due this spring I think.

For now, my aging Dell mini10 is much more practical in terms of actually getting some work done - albeit not nearly so pretty - and fits in the camera bag as easily as the iPad. Yes the iPad is smaller, but I'm not seeking smallest, just small enough. I must admit I would never attempt any serious edits on the mini10, but it is good enough to run RAW conversions, apply basic edits, and if required, send out jpgs.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting ckw (Reply 2):
IMHO iPad 2 is still mostly an entertainment/social media device. Personally I'm going to wait to see what the next generation (iPad3 and a number of Androids) have to offer - all due this spring I think.

The inherent use of tablets won't change much, and this is why I think they'll eventually level off in their development, much like MP3 players have. Tablets are GREAT for consuming content (internet, e-mail, music, pictures, movies, etc) but are very limited in their ability to produce content (word processing, image editing, etc) because of their processing capabilities, lack of peripherals, etc. If you start adding peripherals like mice and keyboards, they become monitors, and the benefits of size and portability go away. Don't hold your breath for the iPad3 (or its competitors) to be any different.

I have a first-generation iPad, and I bought it for a couple of reasons:
1) Hand-writing recognition made it a very easy-to-carry notebook for my graduate studies since I don't own a laptop. I was able to take notes and convert to PDF easily to have them all with me at all times.
2) My commute. I have a lengthy commute every day and the iPad is perfect for some games, movies, or reading via e-books.
3) Photography Portfolio. This has been the single most useful tool in my marketing arsenal for my wedding photography. Using the iPad as a portable portfolio (with its insane image quality) has helped immensely in showing potential brides what we do. Having said that, I avoid image editing on the iPad like the plague. It's just too frustrating to even be a little bit worthwhile.

Nothing, I believe, will ever replace laptops. But if I'm wrong and the future is in tablets, then I'll say i was wrong.

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shufflemoomin
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:24 pm

Have you looked into an iPad and use the Camera Connection Kit?
 
Stealthz
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:33 pm

Thanks guys,

Was not intending to do much editing on the XOOM, merely wanted to preview the shots.

For those earnestly recommending the iPad, there are 2 issues, I already own the XOOM and from what I read the iPad has the same issues... in fact most Apple oriented folk have trouble with the RAW concept altogether!

I could shoot RAW + JPEG but that cuts down the capacity I will have avail.

Looks like toting the trusty Windows notebook along!!
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darthluke12694
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 5):
in fact most Apple oriented folk have trouble with the RAW concept altogether!

My iPad and Camera Connection Kit reads RAW pictures perfectly. I can even store them on the iPad, and later connect my iPad to the computer and retrieve the pictures if necessary, still in RAW format.

Now editing is a different story. Some apps read RAW, and some only read jpeg. But I would only recommend basic editing on an iPad.
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:27 am

Hi all,

As some of you have found, tablets are very good for interacting with the online world but not so good for image editing. I quite happily use an iPad for browsing this site, researching things, reading and writing to the forums and contacting users. For these roles it's perfect. It also works well for many of the behind the scenes tools I use for working on the site.

Two areas where it does not work so well is where you need to work on documents or images. It can be done, but I much prefer using a traditional computer for such tasks. I don't think I'll be using it for image editing due to the limitations.

I have tried using them to read magazines and this works well too. There are a number of the popular mags offering electronic versions. I've given Air Forces Monthly a try and am happy with the results. I still feel you can't beat the feel of real paper though and the quality of the images is not quite as good as print versions. For those worried about their eyesight, you can zoom in and out of the text to suit yourself.

The best thing about the iPad, for me though, is Plane Finder HD. If you live in an area that is covered and like contrail spotting and photography, this is the app for you.

Best regards,

Jim
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darthluke12694
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 7):
Two areas where it does not work so well is where you need to work on documents or images. It can be done, but I much prefer using a traditional computer for such tasks. I don't think I'll be using it for image editing due to the limitations.

As one person said, tablets are good for browsing the Internet, games, and entertainment, but computers will always win when it comes to productivity. And I tend to agree. Compare both document and photo editing apps to programs on the computer. Computer wins hands down.

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 7):
There are a number of the popular mags offering electronic versions.

I would like to add if your magazine doesn't have an app. Try the Zinio app. It includes hundreds of magazines.

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 7):
The best thing about the iPad, for me though, is Plane Finder HD. If you live in an area that is covered and like contrail spotting and photography, this is the app for you.

I have that app too. I am dissatisfied with it, although it is not all the apps fault. I see you live in the U.K., and I think you have better coverage the the U.S., which has horrible coverage. However, the planes that do show up in the U.S. are usually wrong.

Another idea for a tablet usage. When you are out doing some photography, you can take your memory card and put it in your tablet (or camera connection kit for ipad) and view your pictures on your tablet and see if you need to change any settings, etc.
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 8):
Compare both document and photo editing apps to programs on the computer. Computer wins hands down.

I agree wholeheartedly, at least for the current gen of devices.
I was hoping to be able to use the XOOM only as a preview device and perhaps for storage or back up.

There are processes to modify Android to act as a USB host but they are a little involved and am running out of time.(have time to do the mod just no time to recover if I screw it up!!)

Having said that there are apps such as PS Touch etc that are remarkably good given you accept their limitations-- strength is really in fast PP to produce output destined for mobile devices.. not HQ Hi Res etc!

Travelling by car, so absolute light weight is not a huge issue so the trusty Lenovo gets at least one more trip!!

On the iPad RAW Import/Export, curious how it handles that, I was under the impression that the file system(lack of as iOS doesn't really have one) "absorbed" data into one huge file, wondering how it processes then reconstructs the RAW file. Not knocking iOS here, but never been able to get a realistic answer from Apple or Apple "experts" most just use the old refrain RAW doesn't comply with the standards. Disclaimer most (All) these folk have no real understanding of photography or image file formats
Be travelling with an Apple tech for almost 2 weeks and can almost g/tee he will use "RAW does not meet standards" line at least a few times.. ironic really because at present iOS appears to handle RAW better than Android.
Thanks All
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
I agree wholeheartedly, at least for the current gen of devices.

I'm going to be curious what Windows 8 brings us. I have already downloaded and used the consumer preview, but on a desktop, not a tablet. I'm not sure how installing programs will work on a Windows 8 tablet. I don't know if it will limit it to apps, or let you install regular programs. But I'll be curious to see what becomes of Windows 8.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
Having said that there are apps such as PS Touch etc that are remarkably good given you accept their limitations-- strength is really in fast PP to produce output destined for mobile devices.. not HQ Hi Res etc!

I have the original iPad, and PS Touch is not compatible for 1st generation iPad. So I can't test it out. Unfortunately, it limits your resolution 1600. So I wouldn't even buy it. Snapseed is by far the best photo editing app I've tried. Although it still won't replace computer photo editing programs.
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Stealthz
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:00 am

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 10):
Unfortunately, it limits your resolution 1600.

Don't have an issue with that as long as you understand the output is aimed at blogs and mobile devices.. at $10 I can handle the limitations.
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 11):
Don't have an issue with that as long as you understand the output is aimed at blogs and mobile devices.. at $10 I can handle the limitations.


I totally understand that, especially at $10. I'd be kinda annoyed if photoshop on a tablet cost $10 and the computer version is $80 and they are the exact same thing.
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:16 pm

Using a tablet for reviewing photos is not much different from reviewing them on a laptop - only that many laptops may have even better displays than most tablets.

Of course, you get a better impression from the tablet than from the camera screen. But it's still not reliable, and many pictures will not look as good on the big screen, as they did on the tablet.

For mobile processing, I prefer my laptop over my tablet, as it gives me more options. A full CS5, for example.  
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darthluke12694
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 13):
Using a tablet for reviewing photos is not much different from reviewing them on a laptop - only that many laptops may have even better displays than most tablets.

The new iPad 3 has a retina display. I don't know how that will make photos look, but I know on my iPhone which has a retina display, my pictures look pretty sweet. Also, apple released iPhoto for iPad. I haven't used it though and I don't know the limitations of it.
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:00 am

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 14):
The new iPad 3 has a retina display. I don't know how that will make photos look, but I know on my iPhone which has a retina display, my pictures look pretty sweet.

Photos already look sweet on the iPad 2 at 130 ppi. They even look sweet on a desktop monitor at 96 ppi.

I don't expect them to look any better at 260 dpi, unless you hold it less than 12" from your face and squint.

I suspect most of what people are ranting about in regards to images looking better is in reality two things:


1.) The expected increased saturation, which results in a catchy image, but not always one that is better.

2.) The substantially increased processing horsepower, which makes the experience of browsing and zooming smoother. Few people give this factor much credit, but it definitely affects the impression.

I get a stark comparison that confused me at first whenever I look at photos on my point and shoot and from my SLR, both of which have similar screen sizes - on the rear LCD's, pictures look better at a first glance on my point and shoot, even though on my computer, the SLR photos blow them away.

My SLR switches photos instantaneously as I browse through my shots. My point and shoot actually thinks for a split second as it changes...it's slower, but Canon was clever about dealing with it: it does a simple fade effect that makes the viewing experience feel graceful and sophisticated.
 
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RE: Tablet Computing & Photography

Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:54 am

Anyway, can you actually post pictures in a.net from your iPad? Just wanna know...

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