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Fence At Manchester

Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:28 pm

Just having a look on Prune and there is a thread on a rather horrid fence being erected at AVP at MAN. Would anyone care to comment? Here is the relevant link.

http://www.pprune.org/spectators-bal...81422-big-black-fence-man-avp.html

NB: I hope this isn't an April Fool.
 
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RE: Fence At Manchester

Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:37 pm

No April fool I'm afraid. Due to new EU regulations (not like anyone else is listening) the fence must be 12ft and embedded in a concrete base. It's around most of the airport now but to be fair the RVP is mostly unaffected due to the viewing mounds being raised accordingly. It's a bit of a pain at the Airport Hotel but only for heavies.

Carrying a set of ladders around at all times will be an effective way around it!

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RE: Fence At Manchester

Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:02 pm

Hi

I've always thought MAN had the balance right - raisin fences/mounds seems a bit daft. I hope this does'nt affect the other view points around the runways?

MAN went to great lengths to balance the airfield/environment in the development of the 2nd runway.

Carrying ladders around any airport perimeter raises suspicion and I do not recommend that (yeah people may disagree at your own peril).

12ft in a concrete base or 2 ft is of little real deterrent. However, the eyes and ears of the aviation community is of real value

Another EU piece of nonsense

Karl, no offense meant. I respect a lot of your stuff. I have over 30 yrs high level security service under my belt but your last line is plain daft and not to be recommended to fellow a.netters

tony
 
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RE: Fence At Manchester

Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting Tonyholt777 (Reply 2):
Another EU piece of nonsense

How exactly would it be EU nonsense when pretty much nowhere else in the EU has this in place? Is this another example of someone blaming the EU with no real grounds to do so because the UK tabloids have instilled it in them?
 
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RE: Fence At Manchester

Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:42 am

Quoting Tonyholt777 (Reply 2):
Karl, no offense meant. I respect a lot of your stuff. I have over 30 yrs high level security service under my belt but your last line is plain daft and not to be recommended to fellow a.netters

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Spotters are carrying small step ladders all over the world from what I have seen. Sometimes security requires you to keep the ladder 3m from the fence, but that's basically it from my experience. I carry one of these, and have had no issues:



Just keep your distance to the fence, and if security tells you to get off the ladder you obide, simple as that.
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RE: Fence At Manchester

Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:25 pm

I've not taken any offence but anyone who remotely knows MAN will know that steps are never a problem, providing you aren't right against the fence with them. I was there yesterday with a four-step set - the police eventually turned up, checked me out then left me too it.

Tony, if you don't want to carry steps that's fine, but me and the other regular MAN shooters will have a set in our cars at all times because we still wish to take photos once the fence is complete. Just because I recommend it for MAN doesn't mean it should be universally applied.

Do you really think the police will lock you up for standing on the 23L mound or in Joe's field with a set of steps?

Karl
 
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RE: Fence At Manchester

Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:00 pm

I use a step ladder at Warton, that's a military base and Blackpool and we don't have any problems. As Karl says, as long as you stay back from the fence and are in known spotting areas, you shouldn't have a problem. If you're somewhere where spotting / photography isn't common or start to lean the steps up against a fence so it looks like you're trying to gain access, you're asking for trouble. If in doubt, ask.

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RE: Fence At Manchester

Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:11 pm

Coinicidental for me to see this thread, as I have just had a photo accepted where I make reference to the same thing.

This image shows the difference between the new fence (in the recently added A330 photo) and the old one from the same spot in the A380 photo:


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I haven't been down to the 23L rotation point or the 05L touchdown spot in some time now, but I really do hope the fence is not too obtrusive in photos taken there.

If you are able, it can be possible to consider framing your shot such that 'natural features' hide the offending razor wire, as in this shot of the Thomson 757 below. Here the foreground mound does the job nicely:


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Cheers.

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