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Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:15 pm

Hello all,

As you may be aware the A400M was officially named the Atlas on 6th July 2012. Prior to this period it was generally known as the Grizzly and early on it had no name at all.

We have updated the website systems to account for the change in name by creating 3 possibilities for you to choose from for the aircraft type on the Upload page. The following information will help you decide which to use.

1. Prior to 6th July 2012, all aircraft are known as "Airbus A400M Grizzly" on Airliners.net.

2. From 6th of July 2012, some aircraft have received the Atlas logo, others have not. For photos of these, please use "Airbus A400M Atlas" if the aircraft carries the Atlas logo or "Airbus A400M Grizzly" if it carries the Grizzly logo. The logos are typically on the port side of the nose near the crew entry door.

3. If you are really not sure which to use, we have also provided you with the "Airbus A400M ..." option. The Editors will look into these for you once you have had your photograph accepted into the database.

If you have photos in the upload queue that need the name changing, you need do nothing, we will update these for you after they have been accepted.

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Jim
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RE: Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:47 am

'Grizzly' is not a good nickname for a type of aircraft made by a European company because grizzly bears' natural habitat is in North America. 'Atlas' is a much better nickname because it comes from Greek mythology.
 
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RE: Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:00 am

In my humble opinion it would be better to simply implement the name change. The fact that the A400M was briefly named Grizzly is going to be a mere historical footnote. The B-1 bomber was once named Excalibur and was not named Lancer until 1990, yet the database keeps things simple in that case and many similar cases I'm sure.

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RE: Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 2):
In my humble opinion it would be better to simply implement the name change.

Yes, we considered this and decided that, at least at this time, we would not pursue this option.

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 2):
The B-1 bomber was once named Excalibur and was not named Lancer until 1990, yet the database keeps things simple in that case and many similar cases I'm sure.

Nowadays, with so many photographers taking so many quality photographs, it is not so easy to dismiss names that only exist for a short time - we have several hundred Grizzly shots already. Until a few days ago there was no such thing as an Atlas. To strike the right balance between historical accuracy and simplicity can be quite challenging at times. Once an airframe has been in service for several years it becomes easier to understand the history of names and we can revisit the situation.

Who knows if the name Atlas will stick yet? There is nothing to stop it getting changed again!  

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:06 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 3):
To strike the right balance between historical accuracy and simplicity can be quite challenging at times.

Yes, I'm sure it is.

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 3):
Once an airframe has been in service for several years it becomes easier to understand the history of names and we can revisit the situation.

That's very true. Good to hear.

Manufacturers are so opportunistic in changing names and designations all the time without a sense of logic or history, so in some cases I think it it's up to you, the editors, to decide what an aircraft is really called.

Entries like 'Embraer ERJ-190-100LR 190LR' just look horrible in my opinion.

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RE: Airbus A400M - Grizzly Or Atlas?

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:56 pm

It is my understanding that the name, "Grizzly" was adopted for the A400M during the test phase. Now that the A400M is close to certification a new name, it's official Military/Commercial name has been given as "Atlas" in an official ceremony unveiling at RIAT 2012.

As for the code name given to the A400M by the Russians, I don't know, how about, "Mockba".

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