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Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:12 am

Hi,

I am planning a trip to Amsterdam. I found a lot of information and quite a few good guides. I will be there with my car, so with the information I have now finding these spots should not be a problem.

I am especially keen on the following aircrafts:
Surinam A340
Kenya 777
Eva Air 773

I might be wrong but from looking at the database or flightradar I have the impression that (of course depending on the wind) they tend to land on specific runways:

For example Kenya Airways mostly seem to land on runway 27 "Buitenvelderbaan", whereas with the Surinam I might stand a good chance on the "Polderbaan".

So is there any pattern that aircraft coming form certain directions tend to follow or how runways are used? I know that there are always exceptions to the rules. But perhaps I can get some useful advice.

Thanks in advance.

Jay
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:10 am

Hi Jay,

When runways 18R, Polderbaan, and 27 or (more commonly) 18C, Zwanenburgbaan, are in use for landings, the most westerly runway, ie 18R, usually gets the traffic from the west (UK/Atlantic) and the other runway the flights from the east. As you say, there are many exceptions, and I'm not sure what the Kenya Aw routing and thus the more likely runway is.

It's similar when 06 and 36R are in use for landing, and when two runways are in use for departures.

I = inbound peak, two landing runways, one departure runway
O = outbound peak, two departure runways, one landing runway
0700 – 0920 LT - I
0920 – 1040 LT - O
1040 – 1140 LT - I
1140 – 1240 LT - O
1240 – 1400 LT - I
1400 – 1500 LT - O
1500 – 1600 LT - I
1600 – 1820 LT - O
1820 – 2000 LT - I
2000 – 2200 LT - O
As a rule, the aircraft you want will arrive/depart just around the time of a change  


Current runway use:
http://www.lvnl.nl/nl/airtraffic

Rwy 27 is bad for noise and typically used in stronger westerly winds.

A380 may land on all five main runways but may not take off from 09 due to a weight restricted viaduct.

Hope that helps.

Peter 



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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:08 pm

Hi Peter,

this is the response I hoped for! Many thanks for it.

I already guessed that there were certain times when they use 2 runways for startings / landings / but I did not know that they were fixed. Do these times change, like for example with the winter timetable in use or are the relatively fix?

Thanks also for the link! I think I can use this very well.

The Kenya AW routing comes from the east, that is probaly why they used the 27 when I followed their flights.

From what I saw there is a good spot for 27 landings too. In order to get there do I need to park my car at the McD spot and walk to the other side of the runway?

And yeah unfortunately there is an exception to every rule. I just wanted to know where I have the best chance to get the planes I am looking forward to and to understand the runway system, which is not as obvious as with other airports.

Cheers,


Jay
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:58 pm

Hi Jay,

Yes, the peak schedules change sometimes. Information should be posted in this Scramble thread.

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17583&start=165

In the most recent posts of that thread, there is information about runway closures for maintenance.

There are daily expectations of more or less interesting flights on the same subforum, with many posts in English.

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewforum.php?f=14

Quoting JKPhotos (Reply 2):
From what I saw there is a good spot for 27 landings too. In order to get there do I need to park my car at the McD spot and walk to the other side of the runway?
http://www.scramble.nl/airports/index.html

You mean Spot 9. See the comment. It's not a very nice stretch of road to hang out, though. There is also free parking (at least for a few hours) near the East apron, which is a bit closer.
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:39 pm

Hi Peter,

thanks again. I will bookmark the links and check them before my trip in order to have the best infomation.


As I prefer nicer spots to hang out I will probably leave out spot 9.

As I have read before and as you confirmed it is almost impossible to get every plane you want anyway.

By the way the scramble plan / map is by far the best available.

Regards

jay
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:07 pm

My personal favourite spot for scenery is between points 15 and 16, Polderbaan landings.


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It's quite a walk from either Spot 16 or Spot 15, but the good thing about that is that this is a peaceful cycling lane where you can sit in the grass.

The situation at Spot 15 has improved recently as there's access to an unused field now and you don't have to stand on the side of the road.

Spot 5 is also nicer now than it used to be.

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Some great spots have disappeared at Schiphol, but things are always changing.
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:13 am

Hi Peter,

I love the 777 pic. This looks like the ideal spot for me. I am definitely looking forward to going there. Great shot!

Walking is no problem for me.  

I guess in order to reach spot 14 in the morning the only way is to park in near 15 in "Boesingheliede" and walk there too?
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:27 am

Unfortunately yes, as per the comment for Spot 14. The nearest few public parking spots are on IJweg near the crossroads with Schipholweg.

If you have a bicycle you might take it with you in your car if possible.

As you see, Schiphol is not always as spotter friendly as it's reputed to be.
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:04 am

I'll be at AMS next month but won't have much time to do spotting, or a car. Can anyone tell me if the terrace is before or after security and/or customs for when I arrive?
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:55 pm

@ syncmaster

The terrace is before the customs / security, that means for you on the other side but easily to get there when you have arrived and got through the customs.
 
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RE: Amsterdam Spotting Advice

Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting hanbar (Reply 9):

@ syncmaster

The terrace is before the customs / security, that means for you on the other side but easily to get there when you have arrived and got through the customs.

That's perfect, thanks! I'll be arriving on KLM from ORD and flying back a week later, but when I arrive I'll be hoping on the train to Brussels so I was hoping I'd be able to stop by for a least a few minutes coming and going.

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