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New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:46 am


I suggest you check out this link

At first I though it was an April Fool joke that slipped out early, but the site seems genuine enough - I was able to set up an order for prints from some of you here (though I didn't complete!)

Two main concerns over this:

1 - It's just plain wrong - whatever Facebook think is allowed through their fine print, it's unethical
2 - I don't expect that many of you put your full res images on FB ... which means people may be ending up with very low quality canvases etc. This is not going to reflect well on you even if you are happy with this service.


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RE: New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:00 am

It is nice idea - to call copyright matter as 'grey area' and find it is an argument not to follow the laws.

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RE: New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:36 pm

Privacy and content rights on Facebook are and have for quite a while been very complicated. One of the worst aspects of this is with 3rd party applications, because they can have their own privacy and use policies that may be very different from Facebook's, even though Facebook does enact some limits on them.

Bottom line: Even though you may attempt to limit the use of content you post to Facebook, you should assume a wider audience may ultimately see, or even copy it.

Remember the girl who lost her job after she posted a photo of herself being disrespectful at Arlington National Cemetery? Dumb as her action may have been, you can bet she never expected her photo to turn up in newspapers all over the country.

It is critical for everybody who has any interest in controlling their own content to know this part of the Facebook terms of use:

For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.

"Sub-licensable, royalty-free." In other words, Facebook can not only use your photos to, in the terms other photo sharing sites use "administer the service," but they can grant other people rights to use your photos. Your privacy settings still apply, but using 3rd party applications can lead to you extending those permissions without realizing it.

The really crappy thing about this new service is that while you can choose whether or not your friends see your photos, once you do that, you are apparently enabling them to decide to give an outside company access to whatever that friend can see.

From a basic internet security standpoint, there's also a bad precedence involved in services like this. Facebook's terms of use say that if you give your username and password to anyone, that is a violation of the terms of service, and they can ban you. But they also partner with thousands of 3rd parties and let them use Facebook as a commenting system, such as for online news discussions. Technically, Facebook administers this service, so it's not a violation, but it does teach users to give away their usernames and passwords without considering the legitimacy of the site asking for it.

This is exactly why most banks deliberately do not include links to their log-in page in email communications. Instead, they tell you to go to the address provided in your account statement on your own.

All part of why I only post pictures on Facebook of limited resolution, and never anything I'm worried about being copied.
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RE: New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:48 pm

Hrmmm....looking at the link further now, this service might actually be in violation of even Facebook's terms.

I'm currently logged into Facebook, but when I visit their site, they still ask me to log in.

As far as I know, with legitimate Facebook partners, you can log in on the partner page or through the Facebook website, then go to the 3rd party website and use their partnered service without giving the 3rd party service your credentials directly. This is the preferred way to handle such activities.

So it seems, as opposed to what I wrote above, Facebook is not administering the log-in service in this case.

And their own terms of use are alarmingly more one-sided than Facebooks:

By submitting User Contributed Content to the Application, you grant WD Web a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, irrevocable, and perpetual license to use your User Contributed Content for the customary and intended purposes of the Application.

I'm hoping to have a little more time later to compare what they're doing to Facebook's terms.
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RE: New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:01 am

As I understand it, this may be legal in a strict definition of the T&Cs, but it seems downright sneaky - a person might use the service to print a friends pic not realising that by signing into the app they are effectively giving away their rights to any of their images.

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RE: New FB Service You Need To Be Aware Of

Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:28 pm

which is why I'm not on fb- they'll never get anything from me

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