southwest9
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Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:26 pm

I visited PVD airport again, while spotting in the parking garage, a security guard walked up to me and told me that photography in the garage wasn't allowed. After writing my down my info, he told me to leave.

Are there laws that I am breaking by spotting in the garage? or how would any of you handle the situation?
Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:29 am

Most airports are public domain, and in my opinion, if you have to pay to park and you are staying near your car there is no cause for concern.

All airports have their own rules, but again most are public meaning they are like city parks therefore open to anyone. I would simply call PVD Administration or Security and check to see what "rules" they have in place.

As I said, most airports don't really care. IAH has a hotline you can call to report yourself spotting/photographing so they will know you are on-site in case they get some report. LAX doesn't and I've been visited by LAX Police and Homeland Security, but usually it's just a check-up or because "someone reported it", but they are usually super nice and will stay around and talk with you.

Just call the airport to find out, maybe you will start something positive for spotters and the airport!
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:42 am

We are currently dealing with this issue @ JFK. The short version is that parking garages(as well as passenger terminals) can be thought of as private property despite that the public regularly uses them, and so are subject to whatever rules their owners dictate permissible for the property. Same thing as if you were to go inside a McDonalds and photograph out the window, if the manager comes along and says it is not allowed, you must stop or move on.

Some airports allow you to visit for photography if you call ahead, others don't care whether you called or not, they're kicking you out. Fortunately, more often than not you are left alone to enjoy the hobby. Still it's a shame that photography is considered inappopriate behavior in environments that previously found it acceptable and normal.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:34 pm

Thank you both for your insight into this. I'll try calling them up and hopefully I will be able to talk it out with someone in PVD's security administration before I go spotting there again and have to deal with getting kicked out.

Although it is frustrating sometimes to know that there was a time (pre 9/11) when a spotter could relax at an airport without having to worry about security telling you "NO!".
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting southwest9 (Thread starter):
a security guard walked up to me and told me that photography in the garage wasn't allowed.

I would have asked to speak with a police officer responsible for that area. I would then ask that police officer, if he/she says "no" to your photography there, for the name/number of the head of public relations at the airport. Give him/her a call after you leave.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 2):

Re : JFK, this Saturday just gone I wandered around the AA terminal (airside) for a couple of hours taking photos out of the windows and no-one came near to tell me to stop or ask what I was up to. Maybe they know you get not-so-good pictures through the windows (which was a pity because N720AN, the B77W was there.)
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
Re : JFK, this Saturday just gone I wandered around the AA terminal (airside) for a couple of hours taking photos out of the windows and no-one came near to tell me to stop or ask what I was up to. Maybe they know you get not-so-good pictures through the windows (which was a pity because N720AN, the B77W was there.)

Excellent to hear. However, there seem to be more issues when you are at the airport but you are not a ticketed passenger
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting southwest9 (Thread starter):

Handle it maturely and reasonably. If he asks you to leave you leave, like others have said call the airport and ask if it is allowed. When I spotted at SEA two weeks ago i was approached and it was DHS/ Port of Seattle officer and he said they just wanted to check on me.

If you were too have broken a law he would have said you broke one and warned you. If you plan to go back go inside and say you're photographing on the garage so they let others know.

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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:11 am

Best way is to be mature about it as mentioned above. Some airports will have security officers who will be like pricks giving you the 21st century constitution rundown where it includes prohibition of photos from any airport property.
Even these smaller airports don't seem to be immune either even though it is obviously not busy or as important of an airport in terms of national security.

Take a break and come back again another time. Or time a particular airplane flight so you arrive at the garage to snap that plane only and then header into the terminal or leave.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:19 pm

I'm still confused as to why someone with a camera at an airport is treated like sort of security threat (depending on the airport).

If you can see it with your eyes, why can't you take a picture?
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:24 pm

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 9):
I'm still confused as to why someone with a camera at an airport is treated like sort of security threat (depending on the airport).

If you can see it with your eyes, why can't you take a picture?

No clue. On a recent rip to ATL.....I and some friends were photographing one of the approaches. Some redneck said we were doing TERRORISTIC ACTIVITY........go figure.  
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 9):

I'm still confused as to why someone with a camera at an airport is treated like sort of security threat (depending on the airport).
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
Some redneck said we were doing TERRORISTIC ACTIVITY........go figure.

The power of brainwashing.

For some reason, because planes were used on 9/11, anyone looking at a plane is suspicious. Anyone near an airport is suspicious. Anyone taking photos of planes is suspicious.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 11):
For some reason, because planes were used on 9/11, anyone looking at a plane is suspicious. Anyone near an airport is suspicious. Anyone taking photos of planes is suspicious.

True in the USA perhaps.

But here in India, they have treated aviation like the holy grail of security since I was a little boy. Even pre-9/11, you couldn't shoot Rwy28 approaches into IGI without swarms of cops descending upon you, screaming like you were the antichrist. Then again, the entire culture around photography in India is warped.

[Edited 2013-04-13 14:30:15]
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:41 pm

I understand why the police get upset in both India and the US, but I have not read or heard any laws in the United States that specifically PROHIBIT photography in a parking garage at an airport.

Again, thanks for everyone's input into this matter, all of this has helped me to better understand who to contact if I find myself being harassed by airport police.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:56 am

There aren't any actual laws here that prohibit photography. But an illegal activity and a prohibited activity are two separate things. An organization such as the ones running an airport can't arrest you for engaging in photography, because they know they would have their hands on a civil rights suit in an instant. Not too long ago, the NYPD had to issue a memo to its entire force reminding them that photography was perfectly legal.

That said, the authorities in charge of an airport environment CAN make up their own internal rule that certain behaviors which they deem to be inappropriate are prohibited. If you engage in them and they ask you to stop and you refuse, they have every right to escort you off the property. Airports, like many other retail and service establishments like bus stations, rail terminals, restaurants, etc. have always been able to decide what behaviors they don't want to see from the people using them. It's only just recently that photography has been added to that list at some of these locations, despite the fact that the reasoning for doing so is inherently flawed.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:55 pm

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 14):
If you engage in them and they ask you to stop and you refuse, they have every right to escort you off the property.

In what way would they escort someone off the property? Would that involve handcuffs?
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:29 am

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 15):
In what way would they escort someone off the property? Would that involve handcuffs?

I don't know and have no desire to find out. But, I bet if they asked you to leave and instead of leaving you stood there and tried to explain that you're not doing anything wrong, at the very least they will follow you as you exit to make sure you are exiting. If you don't leave under your own power, the cuffs will eventually come out.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:53 am

I usually go spotting on the little road along the runway at PVD (over by Awixa) and have gotten thrown out once because somebody called the police when I took a pic with my cell phone of a WN 737 landing. Meanwhile, I have never gotten thrown out when I'm there with my big SLR. Go figure, right?
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:30 pm

PVD being only an hour from BOS--------I'd lay low for now.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:49 pm

I think it remains to be seen how plane spotting will be affected by the Boston incidents, but I hope our hobby will not be further curtailed in the name of 'freedom'

Hopefully they will find whoever is responsible quickly, and then hang the guilty parties in broad daylight.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:15 am

Is it still possible to use the Terminal B car park at BOS if you phone/email ahead?!
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:37 pm

Quoting Smoketrails (Reply 20):
Is it still possible to use the Terminal B car park at BOS if you phone/email ahead?!

It still was as far as I know, but the Terminal B garage is now much less useful for spotting. The new expansion of terminal B is blocking off many of the good viewing spots, making 27 and 4L/R arrival/departures impossible to photograph as the new terminal expansion is tall enough to literally block them. The one spot left that gives a clear view of the 22s and 33L is highly susceptible to APU exhaust from American jets. Terminal B isn't worth the hassle anymore, unfortunately.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:06 pm

I see this is a worldwide problem. Usually at AEP or EZE we don't have problems but every now and then we encounter some rambo wannabe security guard. Just as an example of how lame some of their reasoning is, I was once told that I could take pictures only once the aircraft had left the ground, even by an inch! Ironically, from that spotting point (inside the garage), the T-01 was taxiing (our equivalente to Air Force One) with the President onboard and I was very close to the plane and not one police officer even cared to ask me what I was doing.

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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:53 pm

Quoting xcoaster1 (Reply 1):
Just call the airport to find out, maybe you will start something positive for spotters and the airport!

If you don't mind, call exactly who at the Airport? Management office? Police Department? Here at KBNA there is an observation area where pictures are freely taken, but I know of a few spots on airport property outside of the protected area that I would love to use. Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:49 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
If you don't mind, call exactly who at the Airport?

If you can't find any information on BNA's website about a security administration / management office, then maybe you could just ask a security guard at the airport, I'm sure they would be glad to give you any contact info, granted YOU were walking up to THEM.

If they are approaching you (i.e. you are doing something wrong), they probably won't be too open to giving you info on how to contact their bosses... it will seem like you plan on "telling" on them.
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
Here at KBNA there is an observation area where pictures are freely taken, but I know of a few spots on airport property outside of the protected area that I would love to use. Any help would be appreciated.

For what it's worth I flew in and out of BNA last year and shot from inside the terminals, and my biggest problem was the tinted glass. No one approached me, so you may find a more accepting attitude towards photographers there
 
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RE: Kicked Out By Security

Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:00 am

The great irony is the huge call for any photos or video footage taken by the public to help the FBI with their Boston investigations.

Airport security need to get off their finger wagging pedestal and stop and think how spotters and photographers can make their jobs easier.

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