Dfinley
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Neat Image

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:38 pm

Does anyone have any success uploading images to a.net using the Neat Image plug in for photoshop? I was wondering because a lot of my images have been rejected due to "soft" appearances.
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RE: Neat Image

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 pm

I used to use it and in moderation it was fine. Now I use noise reduction in ACR which is far better.

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RE: Neat Image

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:44 pm

Quoting dfinley (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any success uploading images to a.net using the Neat Image plug in for photoshop? I was wondering because a lot of my images have been rejected due to "soft" appearances.

Sounds like you're using too much NR, if you're having trouble sharpening sufficiently.

I'd advise posting some before/after NR samples.
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RE: Neat Image

Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:01 am

I use the standalone version of Neat Image. I generally stick with the Default filter preset, except that I sometimes reduce the luminance channel to 40% or 50%. I don't find that that introduces problematic softness.
 
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RE: Neat Image

Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:28 am

A useful trick with Photoshop plugins (or for that matter, nearly any PS operation) is the Fade function. Immediately after applying Neat image, noise ninja or whatever go to Edit -> Fade (or Shift+Ctrl+F) - you can then reduce the impact of the plugin to a more acceptable level. As you can see the effect of the fade very easily at full size, you can get it "just right".

Even better, you can apply the fade selectively - for example Fade has color and luminosity options meaning you can get rid of colour noise without affecting image sharpeness (which is largely determined by luminosity).

The only thing to watch out for is that Fade only works on the last applied function - so you can't use Neat Image, then sharpen and afterward decide you want to go back and fade Neat image,

On a related note, a very easy way to remove color noise ...

1 - Gaussian blur the whole image quite a bit (no fine detail visible)
2 - Go Fade, select color at 100% and that's it.


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RE: Neat Image

Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:42 pm

Quoting ckw (Reply 4):
A useful trick with Photoshop plugins (or for that matter, nearly any PS operation) is the Fade function. Immediately after applying Neat image, noise ninja or whatever go to Edit -> Fade (or Shift+Ctrl+F) - you can then reduce the impact of the plugin to a more acceptable level. As you can see the effect of the fade very easily at full size, you can get it "just right".

Just out of curiosity, how is this different than simply adjusting the settings of noise reduction as you do it? For low-ISO shots, I rarely apply any luminance NR to the whole shot, and often apply just a bit of chroma NR.
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RE: Neat Image

Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:28 pm

I use it for all photos I upload here that require noise reduction. I just choose "auto profile" and then when it makes a box i choose "remove half of weaker noise" under the default settings. Very fast and works 99% of the time. You can do 1-2 passes that way if there is excessive noise and it has been very rare that it made photos washed out...
 
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RE: Neat Image

Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:13 am

Consider Neatimage as a "little help" when you have images with noticeable noise or graininess.

I use the Photoshop plug-in on 62bits, ONLY when needed. Images can have a bit of noise on certain circumstances, so you must be careful on applying the right amount of noise reduction, otherwise the images will appear all messy and blurry.

I'll show you 2 of my pictures:

1-. This one I did not feel the need of using neatimage:

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You might notice a bit of grain on it.. However, it is within the noise and grain limits.

2-. On this I did use the noise reduction but with a value as low as I could, so I don't mess up the image.

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Photo © Carlos Lopez - AeroImagenes De Mexico



I filtered because due to the time of the day (near sunset) I had the need to go up to ISO-400 or 600 in some cases. And higher ISOs give you more noise.

Neatimage is also a good tool for night spotting images, however the image has to be good itself day or night time.

Hope this helps a bit!
 
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RE: Neat Image

Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:34 am

Neat Image is the kind of plugin that works best if the user gets to know what all the sliders do and tweaks the default starting point. It is quite a technical plug in. I disagree that the NR in ACR/LR is better - the NR in the latter is certainly good, but NI offers far more options to tailor the NR and it can be used with masks on a layer in Photoshop, which can be advantageous.

I actually have licences for a frightening number of these NR plugins - Neat Image, Topaz DeNoise, Noise Ninja, Nik Dfine, and Noiseware.

Right out of the box I prefer the default NR of Noiseware - it requires the least amount of tweaking in my experience - I recommend it wholeheartedly. The others all have their strengths, but I find myself coming back to Noiseware the most, called from within Photoshop.
 
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RE: Neat Image

Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:53 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):
Just out of curiosity, how is this different than simply adjusting the settings of noise reduction as you do it?

It may not be any different (im not a neat image user) but with noise ninja I find it easier to assess the result looking at the whole image rather than the small area the NN window shows me.

Also I'm offering it as a more general technique that a surprising number of people aren't aware of ... some go to the trouble of creating a layer to apply sharpening, then fade the layer. This is quicker. Bottom line - its Photoshop, there are at least 10 different ways to do anything.

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RE: Neat Image

Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
I'd advise posting some before/after NR samples.

Here are a couple of samples. The first image is edited using my ancient version of photoshop elements 5.0. I resized, selected the background, inverted selection, expanded 1 mp, unsharp mask on the airplane, then inverted my selection again, and used PSE's built in noise reduction function.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dentonfinley/8989366584/

The second is the same process, but rather than use the built in NR I used the auto profile feature on the free NeatImage plugin.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dentonfinley/8989366970/

What do you think. Is there any noticeable difference between the two?
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RE: Neat Image

Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:52 pm

Quoting dfinley (Reply 10):
Is there any noticeable difference between the two?

I think so. The first one appears to have a slightly noticeable grain (and I don't always see grain that other people do with the monitor I am using now) The Neat Image one does not appear to have any significant grain.

You could equalize both and any differences should be more obvious.

My best guess is that the first one might get a rejection for noise but I don't think that the second one should.
 
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RE: Neat Image

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:34 am

Quoting dfinley (Reply 10):
What do you think. Is there any noticeable difference between the two?

The NeatImage edit looks softer.

Are you applying general NR after resizing and sharpening? I'm no NR expert, but I never apply general noise reduction after resizing, never mind sharpening. Only local NR on specific areas at that point, if needed.

For noisier images that may require general NR, I apply it to the RAW file prior to resizing.

Quoting ckw (Reply 9):
Also I'm offering it as a more general technique that a surprising number of people aren't aware of

Count me in as one of those who wasn't aware!
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