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Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:22 pm

Hi fellow Aviation Photographers,

I currently have a Nikon D3100 with the two kit lenses (18-55mm VR and 55-200mm VR) and the 35mm f/1.8. I like the camera, but I feel that I am growing past it. I bought it last year, and have attended many classes for taking better pictures. I want to get a better camera, and have been looking at the Canon EOS 60D and 70-200mm f/4 L USM. I dont have a huge budget (under $1400 USD) and would sell my D3100. So my question is: Does anyone have any experience with the 60D and 70-200 f/4 L (Non IS)?

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PS- I like to shoot commercial at my local airport and also shoot at very small GA airports where I can walk up to the planes.
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:29 am

70-200 F4L non-IS is a great lens, especially for the money. Very sharp throughout the zoom range. I've used it on two cameras - a Rebel XS and a 50D; it's been great on both.

That aside, why do you want to switch to Canon? Would suddenly leave you with three useless lenses....
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:22 am

Hi vikkyvik,

I would like to switch to Canon for a few reasons: 1) Better selection of telephoto zoom lenses and 2) I have a low budget because I'm 13, so Canon would fit my needs better. What do you think?

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 2):
What do you think?

Well, personally, I'd be hesitant to switch brands, simply because it would negate the equipment I had purchased up to that point.

Regarding a camera upgrade, what specifically do you feel is holding you back?
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:56 am

I dont have the money to buy the either of the Nikon 70-200's, and Canon is cheaper. I think that the lenses that I have dont perform well enough. I'm not trying to sound spoiled here, but I have just been looking at the 60D and its capabilities. I have looked into selling my stuff, and I would get around $350-$450. What gear do you use?

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:09 am

Canon 50D
Canon 17-40 F4L
Canon 70-200 F4L
Canon 300 F4L IS
Canon 1.4x

Someone else can comment on the strengths/weaknesses of Nikon vs. Canon. But you said you were outgrowing your camera, but then said the lenses are the issue. No reason to replace a camera if you're having lens issues!
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:27 am

I think its actually both. The lenses are part of it, but so is the body itself. I would replace the body, but if I stayed with Nikon I would only have the money for a D5200 or a D90. The D90 is old, and the D5200 wouldnt be really that much diffrent. I am a 13 year old, so I'm on a budget. I have a friend with a Canon Rebel T1i and it produces good shots of indoor basketball with the 55-250. Is the 70-200mm f/4 worth the money?

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:17 am

Another thing about the 60D- I have a friend that I played football with and his dad was our team photographer. He had a 60D and 70-200mm F/4 L USM, and a 7D with a 100-400mm. They both produced superb quality images. A few things- Whats the big difference between the 60D and 7D, and what about finding a used 100-400mm?

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:04 pm

From the review here

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/55-200mm-vr.htm

the 55-200VR is an excellent lens. So where are the problems? Any example photos showing what's not to your liking?
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:08 pm

I don't mean to sound negative here but are you sure your gear is the problem and not your technique? Your mate's dad may well be getting great results with his 60D and 70-200, but that doesn't mean you will. It's what you do with your gear and how you use it - not how expensive it is.

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:29 pm

JakTrax-
Yes, you could be right. I have attended many classes and watched many DVD's for my camera. I suppose I will rent a few bodies and lenses totry out.

Oly720man- My pics are fine, but seem very overexposed (easy to fix). I also shoot some indoor sports (basketball and volleyball) and the images are very grainy past ISO800. I don't know how to attach them because it says I have to be a 1st Class Member...

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 10):
My pics are fine, but seem very overexposed (easy to fix).

If you're shooting manual, then that's not the camera's fault. If you're shooting aperture or shutter priority, then you just need to dial in some exposure compensation.

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 10):
and the images are very grainy past ISO800

I doubt switching to a 60D will alleviate that issue. You might even find that the images are grainier. Keys here are not underexposing, not having to add a lot of contrast, and if necessary, learning how to use a bit of noise reduction.
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:52 pm

The only difference I see here are the two "L" lenses superior to the 55-200mm, that can focus very fast and with quality glass. I agree that Canon has quality L lenses selection in the affordable range than Nikon. 7D is great for action compared to any semipro DSLRs of Nikon. If I were into non Aviation, I would stick with Nikon for it's dynamic range and high iso performance.
 
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:29 pm

A few things to think about:

1 - the grass is always greener ... I've shot Canon for 30+ years now and have been tempted to switch from time to time. But there always seem to be user of other brands wanting to go the other way, so really, they're all much of a muchness. They all have strengths and limitations.

2 - classes are fine (I used to teach photography!) but no amount of teaching can replace hands on experience - with your camera and your lens. It will have limitations - but I haven't met a camera/lens yet that doesn't. I think the secret to success is becoming familiar with your equipment and learning how to play to its particular strengths and work round the weaknesses. Sure, there is equipment out there that will give you better results in low light - in fact I'd say the recent Nikons have the edge here. But unless you have serious money, noise is always going to be an issue, so learn how to manage the problem, or deal with it creatively. For example, a noisy color shot can look very different if processed as high contrast B&W.

3 - If nothing else, the rapid technical improvement to cameras and lenses in the last few years should teach us one thing - it doesn't really matter. The vast majority of great photographs (and certainly any taken before you were born) were shot on cameras technically inferior to what you have now.

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 10):
I don't know how to attach them because it says I have to be a 1st Class Member

Can't you link to them on flickr or photobucket or similar? Not sure what different memberships allow in that respect.

As said, you can compensate for overexposure. What metering mode are you using and what time of day are you shooting? Where's the sun? White aircraft don't help when it comes to exposure, but any half decent camera can be suitably adjusted to give the right exposure. Unfortunately the 3100 doesn't have exposure bracketing but you can achieve the same in Manual by taking a number of shots in quick succession at different shutter speeds (manually increasing the speed for successive photos if there is overexposure, for example) and this will give a feel for what the effect of the different exposures is.
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:15 pm

Thanks for all of your replies. I don't have a flikr but you can search me on facebook- Flight Level Photography. If the grass is always greener, I will look into the D7000 and 70-200 f/4 from Nikon. Is this a better idea?

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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:53 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 15):
I don't have a flikr but you can search me on facebook- Flight Level Photography.

There are plenty of free photo-hosting sites around.

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 15):
Is this a better idea?

I don't think we really know what issue you're trying to solve. On the one hand, you say your body and lenses are inadequate, but on the other hand, you say your images are fine, just a bit overexposed and noisy.

Unless you can be specific about what issues you're trying to solve, and show some examples, I'm not sure anyone will be able to tell you what's a good idea or not. There are all sorts of external factors that can result in not-so-great images, and they may have nothing to do with your equipment.
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 16):
I don't think we really know what issue you're trying to solve.

Theoretically the D3100 can produce the same quality of shots produced by 60D or 7D. Only difference is the glass used and AF speed of the lenses.
But as from others here, you have not clarified the issue that you have, ie, switching brands is not going to automatically solve the problems you are having.

D7000 and the lens you mentioned will give better results than any of the combo of Canon you mentioned above, for the reason the D7000 sensor is slightly better (DR, ISO range etc.). But if you shoot aviation only, I doubt if you'd notice any difference between Nikon or Canon.
 
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:58 pm

Yea- I guess the grass will always be greener. I will stick to the good guys at Nikon and invest in some new glass
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RE: Canon EOS 60D And 70-200mm F/4 L USM (Non IS)

Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:25 am

There's no substitute for shooting a lot and thinking where you can do better. Most of it is down to practice and experience.

Keep your learning process simple, and concentrate - always - on fundamentals. Focus, exposure, and composition. That's all there is to it. Everything else is just a matter of learning what works for you. Nobody is done learning editing techniques, for instance. New things come along constantly.

Exposure - even in the digital era, let alone the monastic discipline of film - is a surprising learning curve. I don't think I really learnt to really read a histogram and expose a photo properly for 3 or 4 years. There is an astonishing amount of latitude in certain scenes.
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