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Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:29 pm

Hey all,
I have an opportunity to buy a used Canon 7D for $700 on craigslist. I am budgeting $1400, and then also could buy a $18-55 for $60 and a 70-200 f/4 for $500. Is this a good idea? Is buying used a poor idea? Is this a good setup?
Thanks for the help,
FLPhoto
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dazbo5
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Thread starter):
Is this a good idea? Is buying used a poor idea? Is this a good setup?

As long as the shutter count on the 7D is low and the lenses are in good condition and everything is fully functional, there's nothing wrong with buying used equipment. My second body was baught used wih 4,000 shutter actuations on it for a bargain price. As has already been pointed out in your other threads, the equipment you're looking at is more than up to the job as long as you know how to get the best from it. Good equipment is only part of the story. You also need to know how to use it and plan your shoots according to acheive what you want.

Darren
Equipment: 2x Canon EOS 50D; Sigma 10-20 EX DC HSM, 50-500 EX APO DG, Canon 24-105 f/4 L, Speedlite 430EX
 
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:21 pm

I see that you use 50D's. Do you like them? Or are they too outdated to purchase?
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 2):
I see that you use 50D's. Do you like them? Or are they too outdated to purchase?

Nothing is "too outdated" if it suits your needs.
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 2):
I see that you use 50D's. Do you like them? Or are they too outdated to purchase?

They might be a few years old now and have been superseded, but they are more than up to the job and will be for the foreseeable future. You don't need the latest camera model to get good photos. I wouldn't have 2 of them if I didn't like them! Equipment is only one part of photography. As long as they do what you want them to do, that's all that matters.

Darren
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:45 pm

I looked at 'upgrading' from a 50D to a 60D but when I tested the 60D briefly I found that I actually preferred the 50D. On paper the 60D is better but overall I prefer the 50D.

'Newer', 'more high-tech' or 'later model' doesn't always mean 'better'. In lots of ways my old 30D was the best camera I've ever owned, in a total of over 20 years in photography. It was certainly cleaner at lower ISO sensitivities.

My next purchase (probably towards the year-end) will be a 6D, as I'm ready for the upgrade to full-frame after nearly 10 years in digital photography.

Karl
 
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:51 pm

I agree Karl. Before I got the second 50D, I did toy with the idea of a 60D but I saw little to warrant the extra cost over a used 50D. The plastic body compared to the magnesium alloy was also a factor.

Darren
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 6):
Before I got the second 50D, I did toy with the idea of a 60D but I saw little to warrant the extra cost over a used 50D

Ditto. Faster burst rate, metal body, and focus micro-adjustment were all factors in choosing the 50D over the 60D.
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm going to start with the- don't take this the wrong way but-
You seem really eager to part with your $1400 and that's pretty apparent between your post here and your other post about the Nikon D300s. I that post there have been a number of people who have let you know your current setup is quite adequate and that more focus on your technique rather than upgrading equipment will more than likely improve the results you are looking for. I would certainly agree with their advice but it really seems that you feel differently than those who have had your same experiences and are lending their wisdom.
There's certainly nothing wrong with upgrading but upgrading just to upgrade seems to me as money that's NOT well spent. Again focus on the basics, the techniques, your editing and maybe even reviewing the manual again to your D3100 and soon enough you'll start to understand the capabilities of what you have. A high or higher end camera does not guarantee good results. Since were in an aviation forum think of it this way- it doesn't make a difference if your trying to fly 737 or a Cessna if you don't don't know how to fly or even the in-depth knowledge of your equipment (systems, speeds, characteristics, etc.) the results will not be in your favor.
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southwest9
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting FLPhoto (Thread starter):
Hey all,
I have an opportunity to buy a used Canon 7D for $700 on craigslist. I am budgeting $1400, and then also could buy a $18-55 for $60 and a 70-200 f/4 for $500. Is this a good idea? Is buying used a poor idea? Is this a good setup?
Thanks for the help,
FLPhoto

Ya also to reiterate what chuck9941 was saying, both your pictures that you showed to vikkyvik were, what he said, going to be rejected. Maybe you should take that as "work on your ability to capture the aircraft in the camera, while also meeting the criteria here on airliners.net" I can tell you that there are PLENTY of images that made it into the airliners.net database before the Canon 7D came out. You are not spending my money, so I don't really care what you do, but I hope you take this advice. Buying new equipment might seem like the answer, BUT, you have to know how to use it. If you don't know to use your equipment, then there is no point in having it.


If nothing else, take this into consideration FLPhoto:

It takes a good photographer to get good pictures with more pro equipment. It's not always the camera, but who is behind it, that matters.
 
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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:18 pm

In direct answer to your question - no problem buying used PROVIDED you have the option to get full refund if the equipment is not as advertised. Personally I buy used from dealers - more expensive, but the warranty is worth it IMHO

Whether you should buy is another matter. Based on the images you posted, "better" equipment will not address the problems with these images. They are all down to technique - composition, lighting & focus/camera shake.

Your current setup is capable of better - I'm afraid you're the weak link in the examples posted.

Now sometimes it takes an equipment upgrade to get in the right mindset - if you have the money, and want to spend it, I'm not going to say not to, Your decision. What I will say is you don't need to.

Cheers

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RE: Buying Used

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:52 pm

Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
In direct answer to your question - no problem buying used PROVIDED you have the option to get full refund if the equipment is not as advertised.

I have to admit, I've never followed that advice.   Between my 50D, six guitars, two basses, three amps, and possibly some other stuff I don't remember, I've never had an issue with buying off of Craigslist.

Could be just luck though - and I am pretty particular about what ads I reply to, and try to judge the seller the best I can.
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RE: Buying Used

Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
Whether you should buy is another matter. Based on the images you posted, "better" equipment will not address the problems with these images. They are all down to technique - composition, lighting & focus/camera shake.

Your current setup is capable of better - I'm afraid you're the weak link in the examples posted.

   Couldn't have said it better myself.

It is your money and your decision.
there are many videos and resources on the web about composition and exposure. Do a small photo project yourself (need not be aviation) and get it right, learn the rules of composition before breaking them. Master the exposure triangle and get to the point where you can see what is wrong in the shot and how you can correct it by modifying the settings of your camera.

If you think your d3100 is the problem, there are a few tests on the web to check if the focussing etc. is ok.
 
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RE: Buying Used

Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:01 pm

Is 35, 000 too high of a shutter count to buy used?
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southwest9
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RE: Buying Used

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:50 am

The 7D has a 100,000 shutter count and I THINK the Nikon D300S also has a 100,000 shutter count, so if either of those cameras is the one you are buying, then you can probably decide if that is too high. Personally, I don't think it is very high.
 
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RE: Buying Used

Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:11 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 11):
I have to admit, I've never followed that advice. Between my 50D, six guitars, two basses, three amps, and possibly some other stuff I don't remember, I've never had an issue with buying off of Craigslist.

I bought a couple of my guitars off the 'bay and didn't have a problem. That said, there are definitely scam artists out there ready and waiting to take your money!   
 
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RE: Buying Used

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:31 am

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 13):
Is 35, 000 too high of a shutter count to buy used?

The shutter count figures provided by Canon represent mean time between failure. It does not mean that the shutter will last 100K then die. I had a 1D2 which failed after just 30K. Others will have cameras which have gone well beyond their rated limit.

It is perhaps useful to consider the shutter count in relation to the age of the camera - 50k in a year would perhaps indicate hard use, whereas 50k over 5 years is fairly moderate use.

Worst case, a shutter replacment isn't the end of the world - around £300-400 to replace.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Buying Used

Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:03 am

7D on canon's refurb site is $1200.

This 7D on fleabay is over $750 with a few hours left.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-7D...igital_Cameras&hash=item4ac6066638

I'd wait and see what the auction ends at, if the price is dramatically higher I'd thoroughly test that craigslist one out first before handing over the cash.

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