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60D Picture Setttings

Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:56 pm

I'm asking this question for a NIF: what are the best picture settings for a Canon 60D for airliner photography? e.g. faithful, neutral, standard? All answers greatly appreciated.
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:11 am

Always go for standard in my opinion, no matter what Canon camera you have.

You might find, as I did, that neutral is a little TOO neutral and contrast can be hard to add to images if not taken in the standard picture style.

If I want to take out contrast, I rely on my computer, so that way if it looks bad, I can always revert back to the standard picture.

Do you have a good post processing software?

Also, what does NIF mean?
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:20 am

If you're shooting RAW, it shouldn't matter, as you can change all those settings in post-processing anyway.

Shooting JPEG, I would probably just leave it on standard, or whatever the default is, or else dial in custom settings.
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:54 am

Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:22 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

Yes. But not for richer or poorer....
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:29 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):

Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

 

Faithful sounds like a glorified 'saturation booster' picture style....

At least according to this little article written on it:
http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/

But Vik is right, RAW gives you much more wiggle room when editing, not to mention more dynamic range....
and also on the "richer or poorer" thing too
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:32 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

I heard halos started appearing with the use of that mode  
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:52 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

It brainwashes you into never wanting to switch to Nikon

...not that you need to be brainwashed to stick with Canon, burrrnn   
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:17 am

I switched from Canon to Nikon when Canon abandoned the FD lens mount to enable autofocus, thus making all my Canon lenses unusable with their new cameras.
I never forgave Canon for that.
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:33 am

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 1):
Also, what does NIF mean?

Non Internet Friend.

Many thanks for the replies, appreciated.
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:48 am

Quoting viv (Reply 8):

I switched from Canon to Nikon when Canon abandoned the FD lens mount to enable autofocus, thus making all my Canon lenses unusable with their new cameras.
I never forgave Canon for that.


I nearly did the same, for the same reason ... but I just wasn't comfortable with the handling of Nikons of the time, so I stuck with Canon. I think my 'faithfulness' was rewarded by the industry lead Canon took in DSLRs, up to and including the 5D.

The faithful setting is a reward Canon built in for those of us that stuck with them. Using their database of known FD mount owners, this setting ensures the image will be better than any Nikon images shot in similar conditions.

Cheers,

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:40 pm

Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
I nearly did the same, for the same reason ... but I just wasn't comfortable with the handling of Nikons of the time, so I stuck with Canon. I think my 'faithfulness' was rewarded by the industry lead Canon took in DSLRs, up to and including the 5D.The faithful setting is a reward Canon built in for those of us that stuck with them. Using their database of known FD mount owners, this setting ensures the image will be better than any Nikon images shot in similar conditions.

I went with Canon EOS/EF when my Olympus OM kit was stolen after a 20+ year partnership, a few years later in NZ my Canon gear was stolen and unable to afford new I bought a s/h OM-4 only to find support, lenses even batteries was a challenge so decided to get back into the AF world... tried Nikon and will not get into the image qual debate (this was still the film era) I just didn't feel comfortable with the handling and ergonomics.. went back to Canon.

Some years later(about 2006-07) , Olympus re entered the DSLR business and a rep tried to convince me to change , told him.. been abandoned once by Olympus, not going to do that again... he said Olympus was100% committed to Digital SLR imaging and would never abandon that market!!

Yeah right.. where is the Olympus DSLR business today?
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:00 pm

Poor Olympus - great cameras, even better lenses. Coming to the DSLR market late they took a gamble with their 4/3 system -and it was good, really good - but they were too small to really develop it quickly enough.

Still, their m4/3 offerings seemed to have wings ... but they've been slow coming up with a successor to the OMD-E5.

Nonetheless, Pentax - very much an Olympus competitor in the film days - had a slow start to the DSLR world, but they seem to have established a fairly good niche in the market. Olympus may yet come good - of course management fiascos haven't helped!

Cheers,

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting G-CIVP (Thread starter):
I'm asking this question for a NIF: what are the best picture settings for a Canon 60D for airliner photography? e.g. faithful, neutral, standard? All answers greatly appreciated.

Hi there, back on topic - It matters not one jot if you shoot RAW - I have a 60D and have some super shots from it.

Its all irrelevant if you shoot RAW, have good technique etc...Forget about faithful etc.. utter nonsense, concentrate on composition, light firstly.

Theres a fairly good intro book by Tracey Hallet on the 60D which should help you draw your own conclusions

best of luck

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting Tonyholt777 (Reply 13):
Hi there, back on topic - It matters not one jot if you shoot RAW - I have a 60D and have some super shots from it.

Its all irrelevant if you shoot RAW, have good technique etc...Forget about faithful etc.. utter nonsense, concentrate on composition, light firstly.


First off, I like RAW because JPG is a little too overcooked

On a serious note though:
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.
 
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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 14):
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.

Picture styles are always going to be a compromise - you are letting the camera make choices for you, data is being thrown away and the data that remains has been baked which greatly restricts your post processing options.

Shooting jpg and using styles is fine if you are a) short on space or b) short on time but if you are trying to find the best result stick with RAW. At the very least, take a few shots in RAW, and apply the picture styles in post-processing - that way you can see what effect picture styles will have on the same image.

Cheers,

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:17 am

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 14):
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.

The point, though, is that if the light and composition suck, picture style and format matter not.

As Colin stated, the picture style and format are academic if you shoot RAW. And shooting RAW gives you the most flexibility in post-processing. If you don't care about that, the by all means shoot JPEG and choose a picture style that suits you.

Quoting ckw (Reply 15):
and the data that remains has been baked

I prefer my data grilled.

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:14 am

@G-CIVP - Tony got your message, but as I'm not 1st class, can't reply directly. In answer to your question, I can't really recommend a setting as I don't use them myself. What i would suggest is that no setting is wrong - the difference in results will be more a question of personal taste.

The best thing your friend can do (or any photographer) is take a lot of pictures of similar subjects using the various settings and then decide which he/she likes best. Some will prefer a more saturated look, others a more subtle effect. The weather can also have an effect - what works on a dull day might not be as good on a sunny day.

I guess for someone who doesn't want to be bothered about post processing etc. I would suggest trusting Canon and shoot in program mode using the standard settings - ie. what Canon believes will give the best overall results. To be honest, while some of us are fixated in dragging the most out of the camera, the truth is in normal good shooting conditions, the default settings will produce something which is 95-98% as good.

If your friend is unsatisfied with their images I would bet the problem lies more in their use of lighting, composition etc. than with the camera settings.

Cheers,

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:09 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 16):
The point, though, is that if the light and composition suck, picture style and format matter not.

As Colin stated, the picture style and format are academic if you shoot RAW. And shooting RAW gives you the most flexibility in post-processing. If you don't care about that, the by all means shoot JPEG and choose a picture style that suits you.

Hold on, I think you and Colin got the impression that I shoot JPG and I just want to be clear that I only shoot RAW. I wasn't trying to make a case for the benefits of JPG.

I was just responding to G-CIVP's original question about picture styles.

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RE: 60D Picture Setttings

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:51 pm

I would just like to thank everyone for their contributions, appreciated.

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