Stealthz
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Long Lens For AvPhoto.. Needed?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:16 pm

Hi all,

Many think expensive long lenses are needed for Av photography, the following example(and I make no claims for it's acceptance here as I have only seen it on my phone and tablet) is absolutely full frame, no cropping at all and shot at a focal length of 28mm

http://www.pbase.com/chrisg/image/152024615.jpg

just have to pick your location more carefully.

Cheers

Chris

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vikkyvik
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RE: Long Lens For AvPhoto.. Needed?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Many think expensive long lenses are needed for Av photography, the following example(and I make no claims for it's acceptance here as I have only seen it on my phone and tablet) is absolutely full frame, no cropping at all and shot at a focal length of 28mm

Um, OK.

Sorry, but there are plenty of locations where you can't get closer, and a 28mm shot will give you a nice 200-pixel airplane in the middle of your image.

Plus, if you don't want to shoot that particular angle/crop....If I wanted to shoot this shot at 28mm, I'd need a jetpack (it was shot at 300mm from a similar perspective to your shot):


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JakTrax
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RE: Long Lens For AvPhoto.. Needed?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:43 pm

I think what's being said here is that a super-duper, long-range lens isn't a pre-requisite for aviation photography - and in reality it isn't if you have the right locations at your local. At MAN you can go to spots where the maximum you'll need for even the smallest visiting aircraft is 60mm. But unfortunately many people are not so lucky and have to make do with longer lenses.

My 100-400 only comes out with me during the winter, and I only use it if absolutely necessary. I was recently thinking of selling it as I barely use it but it has on occasions come in really useful. No doubt it will again.

The ANZ shot above isn't the sort of shot I go for (many like that angle but it's too 'underneath' for me) - I'd probably have needed 50-60mm for my preferred location/angle. If you don't have decent locations at your local it doesn't really matter how carefully you choose them.

Conclusion? You can get very nice shots with a short lens alone - but unless you work airside your options will be very limited and you will inevitably miss lots of great opportunities.

I'd personally rather have short lenses, medium lenses and long lenses.... just in case.....  

Karl
 
Stealthz
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RE: Long Lens For AvPhoto.. Needed?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
Um, OK

Ah, as Karl pointed out you seem to miss the point.

I absolutely agree that you can't get the shots you cited with 28mm and many(most in reality) of my av shots are taken with much longer focal lengths.. indeed many that day.

What I was pointing out is that it is possible to get quality Av shots without having to spend fortunes on long lenses or carry huge prime/zoom lenses, if you don't have the hardware.. just get more creative with your locations.

Quoting jaktrax (Reply 2):
I'd probably have needed 50-60mm for my preferred location/angle. If you don't have decent locations at your local it doesn't really matter how carefully you choose them.

Indeed the cycle path along Qantas drive(at that location it isn't actually Qantas Drive but you would have to be in a mapping/GIS focussed business like me to know that) you have the luxury of being able to choose your vantage point perpendicular to 16R to use anything from 28mm to 200-300mm.

As I apparently failed at ... I was trying to say shorter focal lengths are an option not compulsory...
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vikkyvik
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RE: Long Lens For AvPhoto.. Needed?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
What I was pointing out is that it is possible to get quality Av shots without having to spend fortunes on long lenses or carry huge prime/zoom lenses, if you don't have the hardware.. just get more creative with your locations.

Well yeah, absolutely. To be fair, I don't think the point was stated very clearly. There are plenty of shots like yours floating around in the DB here and elsewhere.

If you want a quality 28mm shot, you can take a quality 28mm shot.   It's about what tools are right for the shots you want/need. I've taken plenty of shots with $200 wide-angle and telephoto lenses. And they worked reasonably well until I decided I wanted better quality and more zoom range.

Quoting jaktrax (Reply 2):
if you have the right locations at your local.

And that would be the key. I can't get a takeoff shot from the 25s at LAX without a telephoto - I don't have ramp access, and the closest spots that I know of still are >1000 feet away.
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