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New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:27 pm

The stretch of perimeter fence from opposite Cains Lain to Hatton Cross is being renewed. It is being replaced by a higher one with smaller holes. It may also become a double fence, but not sure at this stage.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:26 pm

B******s! They really know how to **** things up in this country right now!

Any idea what size steps will sort it out?

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 1):
Any idea what size steps will sort it out?

This is what I use. Never had a problem with any fence!   
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:01 pm

A cherry picker isn't far off.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:04 am

I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:07 am

The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters. Obviously much hand rubbing and back patting in the HAL office when they realized they can renew the fence and deter people at the same time.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:38 pm

For Karl's benefit, it's about 8ft high and topped by razor wire. Surprisingly, it is possible to achieve photos through it. So in this regard, it is better that the existing chain linked affair. However, as noted above, if the existing fence remains in situ and the new fence becomes a secondary fence (as I suspect it will be), then this spot will be no more.

Not sure if the 'Jim Mepstead' solution will be possible. This involves a seven tread step ladder but even he may be thwarted as the new fence will be taller than the existing one. I'm surmising that the new fence will feature in the bottom of photos unless the photographer is diligent.

Quoting hotplane (Reply 5):
The various run-ins with security over the years have not helped matters

Indeed but even yesterday I saw examples of bad behaviour. An enthusiast was asked to leave the Power Supply area by 27L by HAL Security. What does he do? Leaves as instructed but immediately returns. This just antagonises HAL, so I'm not surprised enthusiasts are not treated sympathetically.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 4):
I guess that will settle the arguments once and for all then, i think the constant bikering between enthusiasts telling people that they cant photograph there (i got told once quite rudely too) then the ones that told me off go and do exatly what i was doing has now made the authorities now put a blanket fence to stop us all now, quite sad really but its all of our fault, if we just acted friendly to each other and kept secret it may have not come to this.

Quite. There is an awful lot of selfishness in the hobby and there doesn't need to be. In the end, bad behaviour such as that detailed in my post above has scuppered it for all.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:59 pm

I never used the gate by the EDL building (or whatever it is), despite being tempted at times. I do admit however to running across the road with my steps to get a shot, then quickly running back - I think most locals do this frequently - I've even seen locals stand there on their steps for minutes at a time, when there's been nothing taxiing.

8ft high doesn't sound much worse than the old one; I'm sure arriving aircraft can still be shot with a 6- or 7-tread ladder? Our new fence at MAN caused us severe worry but in reality it's not done much harm at all. Certainly nothing that an extra step or two on your ladder can't sort!

Glad I took up JTF's recent special offer of a set of 7-tread for £35.99!

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:55 pm

Karl,

Whereas the old fence had a gap between the top edge and the razor wire, the new fence won't, so effectively it's nine foot high. We will see whether using a step ladder is possible in due course. All said and done, this has been on the cards for years especially since 9/11. In context, I'm just surprised it's taken this long for HAL to implement.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:07 pm

Heathrow is now just a vast shopping centre with an airport attached. HAL's view is if you're not there to fly or buy then f**k off.

[Edited 2013-09-01 14:10:17]
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:43 pm

Also, it appears that the patch of grass by the Enfield Road roundabout has now gone to make way for an expanded snow base.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:30 am

This combination of security/access hassles and behaviour of 'enthusiasts' is a big part of why I shifted from shooting aircraft to boats. So many trips to the airport turned into just hunting for a place I could get a shot. Any shot. Opportunities for getting creative/different images are fast disappearing at large airports - and even airshows.

At least on the sea they haven't figured out how to put up fencing, and with a whole sea to play in, fellow photographers are a lot less aggressive/defensive about their 'territory'

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:59 pm

Bump. Can anyone provide an update on this or is it over bar the shouting?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:08 pm

What about that location (forgot the name of the street) where the planes fly really low over the houses? Isn't there a park there and is that still ok to shoot from?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:15 pm

Myrtle Avenue (the place to which you refer) should be unaffected.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:29 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
What about that location (forgot the name of the street) where the planes fly really low over the houses? Isn't there a park there and is that still ok to shoot from?

But it's no good there as you're right underneath them. It seems landing shots from the A30 will also be affected by the razor wire along the top of this new fence.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting hotplane (Reply 16):
But it's no good there as you're right underneath them

Very true - but this of course has nothing to do with the fence. Hopefully 7-tread steps should see the continuance of shots from the A30 near Cains Lane. At worst we'll probably have to move east a few metres, towards Hatton X.

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:05 am

Does anyone have any examples of the shots that are being ruined by this new fence?

Some of the Myrtle Ave shots I have seen I like a lot where they are coming over the houses and they didn't look too overhead to me and you could get some good side shots.

What are the acceptable locations left after this fence goes up?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:35 am

Here's one from Myrtle (the park by the houses):


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We're all different but the aircraft height doesn't sit favourably with me. I much prefer the A30 opposite Cains Lane:


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The aircraft are at a nice height here and you get a bit of background rather than just blue sky. I'm not sure to what extent this spot will be affected - this was taken using a 4-tread ladder; I now have a 7-tread!

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:39 pm

For some reason I had always thought Myrtle Ave was in the approach for 27R, but instead it is 27L - looking at Google maps the planes don't even go over the houses on Myrtle yet they sure look like they buzz the houses in the picture.

In your second picture Jaktrax with the A321 is it possible to get a 90 degree side on shot or even a front 3/4 shot where you are standing in the aircraft's 10:00 position or so? The A321 seems to have already flown past. Is there a building or another obstruction to where you got the A321 where you might be only able to get that slightly rear side shot?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:10 pm

No, the side-on is possible; I just chose that one at random because it was a low approach.


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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:39 pm

Just get a taller ladder. Simple.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting spencer (Reply 22):
Just get a taller ladder. Simple

Exactly. Seems there are too many people unwilling to buy, transport and carry steps - I just don't understand it when they solve so many aviation photography issues.

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:30 am

It is a bit tricky carrying one for 3 hours on the train and tube to Heathrow, any nearby places that loan them and you can return at the end of the day?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:44 am

There used to be a great supplier of telescopic ladders/steps. They reduced to the size of a bagged tripod. The legs even folded together, not like the ones available today where only the steps fold down to the bottom.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:31 am

Quoting spencer (Reply 25):
There used to be a great supplier of telescopic ladders/steps. They reduced to the size of a bagged tripod. The legs even folded together, not like the ones available today where only the steps fold down to the bottom.
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Thanks for mentioning - sounds interesting. Is there any further detailed information available about this?
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:31 pm

I think you can still get something similar from most DIY stores, although they're fold-away not telescopic. They're also in my opinion not quite as good as standard folding step-ladders because they have no guard rail at the top, meaning you can't stand steadily on the very top rung.

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:18 pm

They are, indeed, fold away. Telescopic was the word that first came to my head and was wrong. They are very sturdy however, I don't believe they are available anymore. I can't remember the name of the company that produced them either...
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:01 am

Thank you very much for this info!
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:20 am

Hi Iam going to Heathrow tomorrow, will be at Myrtle as its 27L arrivals, if i see the new fence will take a photo and post here.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 23):
they solve so many aviation photography issues.

To be quite honest my steps have come in very handy outside the scope of aviation photography as well... its something that's always in the boot/trunk there along with the tripod.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:23 pm

A section of the new fence is complete and it's virtually the same height as the old one. With a set of steps placed by the A30 you won't get fence in shot when shooting smaller aircraft. Even shots of 747s or 773s only have the very top line of razor wire in. The posts are much much narrower than the old concrete ones, so this is a bonus. The cladding along the fence is also lower meaning you don't have to tip toe to see over it.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:46 pm

I saw the fence and it looked like theres no more photos from poking the camera through now, plus it extends to the roadside so kneeling by the grass is out of the question, this is for snapping planes lining up and on the ground.

As i travel by train and foot, ladders are out of the question, its heavy enough carrying a folding "director chair" plus a tripod and carrying a ladder too would make me very suspicious on trains and very hard to carry. I guess spotters with cars are ok for this kind of thing.

If only we could climb the trees but in the end its not worth endangering ourselves for our hobby, planes landing over Cains Lane is ok still though, the main reason for the post was the aircraft on the ground shots, not the landing/taking off ones.
 
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:31 pm

The new fence is further back, so there is actually more verge than before. Shooting through it is no more difficult than before.
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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:39 pm

Yeah, I heard the new fence is actually a pinch closer to the runway. A long shot but enough room to keep ladders far enough away so as not to infringe the 'three-metre rule'?

Either way, it's far from bad news from what I hear.

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RE: New Fence Going Up At LHR

Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:56 pm

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