powtaetow
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Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:47 am

So I've put a few pictures in the pre-screening thread and been told it would be an auto-reject because it wasn't the whole plane, part of it was cutoff, etc. However in the database I've seen tons of pictures where the plane is cutoff, here's some examples:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russi...d=2941c3b749077c8489809fa8fa2960d2
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emira...d=80b88032eebb4eabd15bed6f259e8db3
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emira...d=80b88032eebb4eabd15bed6f259e8db3
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...d=0054d272f108802adf6c6595ad82b371

These are all outstanding photos and I'm not saying mine would be anywhere near as good as those. But why are those ones accepted despite being cutoff? What's the criteria for letting it slide?

It's a little frustrating as I've been so pre-occupied with trying to get the whole aircraft that I've missed shots or been zoomed out more than I'd like.

Thanks

EDIT: This is another type of photo that causes confusion (don't get me wrong, this is an awesome picture) http://www.airliners.net/photo/Star-...d=8eb149c368c2dc239fa34af21af8d09c

[Edited 2013-09-09 21:40:59]
 
angad84
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:29 am

I can't recall many threads on here except for your recent FedEx one.

In any case, your answer lies in the "Motive" section of the rejection guide - http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#motive

There are pictorial examples given showing how and when it is acceptable to crop parts of an aircraft.

The general rule of thumb is that it should "look right" and cutting off parts of the a/c should not seem accidental - as the result of poor technique or poor editing. You will find that most people cut off parts at the extremities of the aircraft (or in the case of helicopters, crop the rotor blades out) so that the aircraft fills more of the frame. However, taking an inch out of a h-stab or just clipping a wingtip is bad form.

I can use some of my images to provide explanation (because I can explain my own intentions better than someone else's):


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Cropped so that fuselage and human activity fills frame. If stabiliser and wing had been included, the focus of the image would have been off to the right side of the frame.


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Cropped rotor blades because they're not central to the image - the helo and compressor wash are.


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Cropped the outboard engines and altogether (4-engine a/c) and the top of the tailfin so the fuselage and inboard props provide the focus. including the whole a/c would have led to a LOT of dead space above and below the a/c.


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Same as above - cropped to fill the frame, but left enough in to make sure the viewer new the a/c is armed. This time the tails are in, because it would look more goofy without them.

Hope this helped.

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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:50 am

Quoting powtaetow (Thread starter):
But why are those ones accepted despite being cutoff? What's the criteria for letting it slide?

Let's be clear, nobody is letting anything 'slide'. As Angad said, the shot has to be well motivated. Cropping a shot to place emphasis on certain parts of the plane is fully acceptable. More than anything, the picture has to 'look right' - more often than not cropping out half an engine or landing gear will result in a rejection. A side-on with part of the tail chopped off (cropped when editing or simply being zoomed-in too tightly when taking the shot) will also likely be rejected. For example, if this were tighter on the right and part of the horizontal stabiliser had been cut off, the shot would certainly have been rejected because there's no good reason for not including all of it.

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Here are two examples taken on the same day:

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I cropped the Airbus tighter than the Emirates. Both are acceptable.

For more front-on shots, you can crop even tighter and leave out nearly all the wings:

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For a side-on shot, there's normally less reason to leave something out, however, from time to time there is justification. The SAS A340 is a good example - it's cropped where it is to emphasise the condensation over the wing. Had there been no condensation, the shot may not have been accepted. Here's a similar one of mine cropped tightly to emphasise the prop vortexes. If I'd included the whole plane, the vortexes wouldn't have looked as good:

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Basically, there is a LOT of flexibility for you to crop shots how you please, but it has to look right as opposed to looking like you just framed it badly when you took the shot.
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Basically, there is a LOT of flexibility for you to crop shots how you please, but it has to look right as opposed to looking like you just framed it badly when you took the shot.


   
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:35 pm

The only one I see being a problem is the An-12 as you've awkwardly (in my opinion) cropped out the prop-blades of the no.1 engine. The other three look justified to me.

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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:47 pm

Quoting jaktrax (Reply 4):
The only one I see being a problem is the An-12 as you've awkwardly (in my opinion) cropped out the prop-blades of the no.1 engine.

Prop blades all look intact to me.


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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:54 pm

So they are. Something really odd going on with the way I'm viewing images.

In which case, I don't see any problems with the way you've cropped any of the above photos.

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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:02 pm

This is the only one of yours I was able to find in Screening threads that dealt with parts of the aircraft being cropped:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93321832@N03/9465346187/sizes/l/

There's no justification for cutting off the very tip of the h-stab on the left - it just looks sloppy.

It took me awhile to get a feel for what kind of crops look good on aircraft. Just takes practice.
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:45 pm

Thing is Vik, there are a few images already in the database like that - and they're quite recent.

In my opinion no part of the tailplane should be cut in a side-on shot. I'm aware it's personal taste but it just doesn't look good.

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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting jaktrax (Reply 8):
Thing is Vik, there are a few images already in the database like that - and they're quite recent.

If so, please email the images in question to the Quality Team so we can have a look and see if they were added in error.

Thanks.
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:16 pm

Thanks for all the responses everyone, it's cleared it up very nicely for me! I agree Vik that my FedEx shouldn't have that little bit of h-stab cutoff. I guess for some reason I got the idea in my head that pictures had to be all the plane and then I started seeing some of the examples above I posted and started getting confused. Good to know about the flexibility with the head on shots, now I can focus on framing better instead of frantically zooming out to get the full aircraft.

Cheers fellas!
 
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:07 pm

Sorry, I've read this thread too quickly and didn't realise that the original four you linked were not your work and are already in the database.
 
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RE: Question About Cutting Off Pieces Of Plane

Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:53 am

Ah yes, I wish they were mine   

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