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CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:11 am

I don't mean to offend, especially not the photographer who the picture belongs to; he definitely has fine photos on here. I am compelled to ask, am I the only one thinking it? That is a lot of leeway for an aircraft that is already in the database, just because it's a first flight? I just thought even an event such as that would have higher acceptance standards; it's about as bad as backlit can get.
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:01 am

Its a very newsworthy occasion and for an event like this we need shots and seems the photographers were quite limited with the shots they were able to get but still managed to get them, A lot of people have interest in this developing aircraft and exclusive photos is what we try to give the community worldwide, Sometimes we break the rules with quality standard but we need to take what we can get with certain newsworthy events.

The positive of having the images for all those interested in seeing it fly outweigh the negatives of it being backlit.

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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:27 am

I'm normally first to moan when I see such images accepted but I'd agree that this is a fair exception. The photog - by his own admission in his comment - states that he wasn't situated in the best of locations.
 
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:17 am

I agree with Karl and Mark. The photogs at the event were severely limited.

What I don't understand is how/why Bombardier could overlook this? Photos and videos are their best PR tool and they didn't bother to check where the sun would be at the moment of truth? Inexcusably poor planning.

It's as simple as going to http://www.suncalc.net and making a photographers' enclosure on the relevant side of the runway.

Jeez...
 
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:24 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 3):
It's as simple as going to http://www.suncalc.net and making a photographers' enclosure on the relevant side of the runway.

I doubt it is quite that simple. Looking at the map it is hard to see how they could have put a large crowd on the 'right' side of the airport without a lot of effort.
 
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:47 am

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 4):
I doubt it is quite that simple. Looking at the map it is hard to see how they could have put a large crowd on the 'right' side of the airport without a lot of effort.

Doesn't have to be a "large crowd" just some space for the photographers. Heck, let the guests get their backlit shots, they could have just sent one chap with a camera to stand in the grass across the runway for their own PR shots.

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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:02 pm

YMX is not exactly a photographer friendly airport to begin with. If you want a picture of the plane in flight, you've got about nowhere to go.

The newsworthiness of the photo outweighs our preferences to have things "perfect." You either get something, or nothing.
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:26 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 3):
Inexcusably poor planning.

Couldn't agree more. What's better than free marketing for a new airplane? The first impression matters a lot and the first impression of a nicely lit aircraft is endless times better than that of a severely backlit aircraft.

I agree with the acceptance tough; very newsworthy and hence a valid addition to the db.

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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 4):
I doubt it is quite that simple. Looking at the map it is hard to see how they could have put a large crowd on the 'right' side of the airport without a lot of effort.

It's the first totally new commercial type for Bombardier in 20 years. A lot of effort is de rigueur.

Having covered many events as media in multiple industries and having put on a few, you make sure the photographers are where you need them to be to put your product in the best light possible - literally and figuratively.

That said, some planners really don't understand why a backlit photo might not be as nice as one in perfect light. They should, but they don't. The technical aspect of that may come from planning primarily indoor events and functions, and not often planning outdoor things that will require knowledge of conditions and light.

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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:35 pm

That said, I have not seen any "official" photos from Bombardier on this front. What a spotter or enthusiast can get may be different than what the actual company hired photographer can do.
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:02 pm

Sure, the photographers were put in a bad position, but then why not expose for the aircraft, instead of the sky? I'd much rather have a decently-exposed aircraft with a white sky, over an almost-silhouetted plane with a blue sky. The difference is night and day:


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The star of the show is the aircraft, after all. Just my 2 cents.
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:23 pm

A couple of you must have very, very different definitions of "inexcusable" than the rest of the English speaking world.

Bombardier is NOT going to re-arrange an entire airport to create a safe space without interrupting operations for fans and employees to get a great picture.

Take a look at aerial images. It was about 10 AM local (IIRC), so the sun was from the SSE, and it took off from runway 06.

There was no place on airport to give spectators, the overwhelming majority of whom don't know enough to care about backlighting, a non-backlit view, unless they bussed them across the runway and made them stand in a field. Given the circumstances, including how extremely busy everybody at Bombardier is right now, and how tight they're running their finances due to the cost of the CSeries program, I'm not even surprised they didn't set up just a press booth on the far side of the runway

I'd be a bit surprised if Bombardier didn't station a couple of their own photographers over there, although if they did, I've yet to see their photos. If they didn't, I have little doubt any decent professional photographer would have asked the event planners if it was possible to view from the sunlit side, and if not, then clearly Bombardier had their reasons.
 
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:28 pm

As for whether the aircraft deserved to be on the front page of a.net, that's how it works. The photo currently at the top of the last 24 hours has 3 times as many views as the next most viewed photo.

Clearly, while it wouldn't have gotten accepted if it weren't a special event, it was still good enough to get 15,000 visitors to click on it.
 
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:18 am

No, I get it why it's top of the 24 hours. Not my question at all. Just wanted to hear some thoughts and discussion on the event and the acceptance. Thanks all!
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RE: CS100 Flight Pic Top Of 24 Hours

Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:24 am

Quoting iamlucky13 (Reply 12):
As for whether the aircraft deserved to be on the front page of a.net, that's how it works. The photo currently at the top of the last 24 hours has 3 times as many views as the next most viewed photo.

Clearly, while it wouldn't have gotten accepted if it weren't a special event, it was still good enough to get 15,000 visitors to click on it.

Its a quite newsworthy event and A.net has shots of it in the flying while other sites do not. The shots may not be our usual quality standards but in the end it benefits the site which is a good thing.


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