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Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:09 am

Just looking for a little feedback, I've been trying some new things and a new lens lately, and the weather's been largely poor in my area lately, so I've gone out a few times and shot on days I would ordinarily have just stayed home on.

I had this one rejected for contrast and overexposed:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._k1327270576.3395clex_a6-egm_2.jpg

Overexposed is one I don't remember if I've gotten before, but it doesn't seem like something that's fixable. Nevertheless, the rejection did come with a personal note about the contrast, so I've given it a try:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../x1328154254.3518clex_a6-egm_3.jpg

Any better?

I also wondered about this one, taken in similar light but thankfully without Seattle's trademark mist:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../i1327865471.9746clex_b-2089_1.jpg

Opinions?

I haven't had all that much time to work on my photos lately, and I feel a bit out of practice.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:30 am

So did you end up buying the lens? What was it you were trying out before, the 100-400?

Both images seem a little soft. The CA should be ok for contrast, but the EK is still pretty borderline (due to weather/light).
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:38 am

It turned out that there was an issue with that copy of the 100-400, but I'm going to try again. It's too tempting not to. These shots were taken with a 70-200 F4/L, but the 100-400 is still on my radar.

I figured softness might be an issue, particularly on the CA. I'll see if I can improve them.

I've got a few more to try out over the next few days, beginning with one I'm very doubtful about, but which was fun to take:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../i1328170548.8885clex_zk-okq_1.jpg

I don't take very many pictures after sundown, but this was too interesting to pass up, and I'd missed it three times in two days before finally catching it on this try. Probably only for my private collection though.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 2):
beginning with one I'm very doubtful about

Actually, that's pretty good. You'll definitely need to brighten it a fair bit (actual conditions, I know, but trust me), but if you can get a brighter edit that's still clean it should have a pretty good chance. I wouldn't even be surprised to see it make the front page.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 2):
I've got a few more to try out over the next few days, beginning with one I'm very doubtful about, but which was fun to take:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../i1328170548.8885clex_zk-okq_1.jpg

I don't take very many pictures after sundown, but this was too interesting to pass up, and I'd missed it three times in two days before finally catching it on this try. Probably only for my private collection though.

Nothing quality-wise to comment on, but just wanted to say that's a beautiful photo! Hope it makes it on here.
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:01 am

Well, that's a good surprise. I'll have to see if I can improve it.

A reworked CA 777, sharpened up a bit:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/l1328241448.649clex_b-2089_3.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 4):

Nothing quality-wise to comment on, but just wanted to say that's a beautiful photo!

Thanks! Even if it doesn't make it, it was a nice night to be out watching the aircraft.

A brightened version:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../t1328247708.6161clex_zk-okq_4.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:40 am

Both are better, though I'd take the NZ a little brighter still.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Thanks Dana. I'll give the NZ another pass tonight.

Another gray day 777 for consideration and opinion:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../f1328282608.1896clex_a6-etj_3.jpg

A bit soft and dark, I think?
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 8):
A bit soft and dark, I think?

Don't think it's too dark, but maybe a bit flat & soft, yes.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:44 am

 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:55 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 10):
Another pass at the NZ:

I can only see a minimal difference to be honest.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:28 am

A bit more of a push (Thanks for being patient, by the way):

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../i1328340377.2113clex_zk-okq_6.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:09 am

Looks better. Might as well go with that one and see what happens.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:23 pm

Another pre-screen. Not sure about color here:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/j1328800326.975clex_n837aw_1.jpg

Needs some sharpening in some places too, but I'm more concerned about whether it looks natural. The light was very filtered/hazy when I shot it.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:59 pm

Yes, bit soft, but otherwise should be ok.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:03 am

Two more for opinions (anybody's opinions are welcome):

Unsure overall:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../y1329281784.144clex_ja786a_1b.jpg

This one was rejected for soft, sharpened up, but enough?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../a1329285069.3192clex_n906da_2.jpg

Judging sharpness seems to be the thing I have the most difficulty with.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:14 am

They both seem a bit low in the frame to me.

First one looks a bit soft in parts. Second looks OK to me sharpness-wise.
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting cargolex (Reply 16):
Two more for opinions (anybody's opinions are welcome):

Centering and sharpness should be fine for both.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:09 pm

Thanks guys.

Another previous soft reject that's been reworked (the previous version has been removed from the rejected images area, however):

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../b1329334891.2483clex_n168cl_2.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:29 pm

Sharpness should be fine.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:46 am

Thanks as usual, Dana.

Another soft reject that's been reworked:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/x1329532613.672clex_hl7539_2.jpg

Better, I hope?

Vik, if you're reading this, this photo was shot at 180mm on the 70-200 F4/L, since I know you've just acquired one. I still have issues judging sharpness, but I'm quite happy with that lens.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:56 am

KE HL7539 looks good to me.
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:23 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 21):
Vik, if you're reading this, this photo was shot at 180mm on the 70-200 F4/L, since I know you've just acquired one. I still have issues judging sharpness, but I'm quite happy with that lens.

I am reading this, and awesome - thanks for the note. I should have mine tomorrow...can't wait!

Also, sorry if I threw you off with my centering and sharpness comment. Glad Dana corrected it.
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 23):
Also, sorry if I threw you off with my centering and sharpness comment. Glad Dana corrected it.

Oh, no problem. That 77W was one where I processed it, got it where I wanted it, and then decided I wasn't really sure at all about it when I was done. Mostly I'm just trying to get my sharpness judgement back. Ton of rejections for soft lately, hence the pre-screening.

That in mind, a trio of new ones:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../u1329626203.1191clex_n323as_1.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../d1329686228.2632clex_n817sy_1.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../r1329585759.4005clex_c-fadf_1.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 24):
That in mind, a trio of new ones:

They should be ok.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:34 pm

Thanks Dana.

A couple more I'm unsure about:


I think this one's basically okay, I just want to make sure.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...z1330058047.1629clex_n215ag_1b.jpg

Not so sure here, poor light but not something I get many chances to capture:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../w1330190953.5056clex_ei-duz_2.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 26):
I think this one's basically okay,

A touch bright, but otherwise ok.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 26):
Not so sure here, poor light but not something I get many chances to capture:

A touch soft/lif, but also otherwise ok.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:50 am

Thanks Dana, as usual.

This was rejected again for soft, despite the positive indication from Alevik last week. I've never appealed a rejection, is this worth appealing?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...5_x1329532613.672clex_hl7539_2.jpg



Another pre-screen, maybe a little too high contrast?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../b1330208526.8599clex_n224ua_1.jpg

[Edited 2012-02-25 17:05:13]
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 28):
I've never appealed a rejection, is this worth appealing?

Up to you, but it does look a bit soft to me.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 28):
Another pre-screen, maybe a little too high contrast?

No, should be ok.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 29):
Up to you, but it does look a bit soft to me.

Yeah, looking at it closer, it was better to try a rework.

Hence:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../e1330798204.6991clex_hl7539_3.jpg

A rework of another soft reject as well - slightly reduce the brightness too based on previous feedback:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../k1330798337.8646clex_n215ag_2.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:02 am

KE is still a little soft, especially toward the rear. The AS should be passable.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:54 pm

I'm having a really hard time here. When I look at the KE in the current edit, it looks close to oversharp. Looking at it against other KE 332's in the DB, including a couple of my own, it looks oversharp. can sharpen it more, but I think it will get an oversharp rejection. I think the AS looks oversharp too, honestly.

I had this rejected for oversharp today:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...6_r1330314939.397clex_n317as_1.jpg

The EI, from earlier in the thread, was also rejected for oversharp.

What I do when I sharpen is copy a specific area into a new layer and apply USM - usually two or three passes, and then I get rid of anything that looks oversharpened in that area. I think I do this to too much detail - sometimes sharpening individual pieces like the the cowl, the nacelle, the exhaust, and the pylon when I could do them all at once and then subtract.

Is there a better method I should try, or is there a more material way to gauge sharpness?


A trio for pre-screening:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../a1330884302.0211clex_c-fnvu_2.jpg

Sharpness?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../o1330959817.5825clex_n179dn_2.jpg

Color? Oversharp maybe?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../l1331044261.4716clex_n129dl_2.jpg

An older shot done with a cheapo lens in 2010. Sharpness? Possibly grain? The belly looked like it hadn't been polished in a long, long time.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 32):
I had this rejected for oversharp today:

That actually doesn't look too bad. It would stand a pretty good chance at appeal, but if that's not your inclination, a slight re-working should be all that is needed.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 32):
A trio for pre-screening:

All should be passable, though the first two are a touch bright.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:12 am

Thanks Dana. I reworked that AS:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../n1331182161.4548clex_n317as_2.jpg

I did think about appealing it, but decided a rework was better.

Thanks for the help, as usual.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:23 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 34):
Thanks Dana. I reworked that AS:

Looks fine to me.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:41 pm

Rejected for "quality quality soft color":

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...7_s1331444043.189clex_n699br_1.jpg

Surprised at that, honestly. The light was a bit odd that day, I can see color - a bit of a red/magenta cast. Some softness too, I suppose - but not all that far outside the limits, I don't think. Quality threw me though.

From the same day, hopefully not to meet the same fate:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../o1331820575.5551clex_n9403w_2.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 36):
Rejected for "quality quality soft color":

Looks a little soft, but overall not that bad. There is a slight magenta tint. You might have noticed it was rejected by a screener in training, it sometimes takes a little while to get them up to speed, so if you get another one you feel is outlandish, feel free to appeal.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 36):
From the same day, hopefully not to meet the same fate:

Also slightly red, but otherwise should be ok.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 37):
Looks a little soft, but overall not that bad. There is a slight magenta tint. You might have noticed it was rejected by a screener in training, it sometimes takes a little while to get them up to speed, so if you get another one you feel is outlandish, feel free to appeal.


Actually I hadn't noticed that (I checked the queue and not my e-mail). Interesting.

I'll probably do a light rework on that one and make a note of that.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 37):

Also slightly red, but otherwise should be ok.

Thanks Dana.

One from yesterday in low light:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../f1332017134.3356clex_n1788b_1.jpg

I have "safer" shots than that one from the sequence, but I really liked the clouds. A little worried about grain.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:37 pm

Bit of softness in the tail area, but don't see any other major issues, so might sneak in.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:52 pm

Thanks Dana.

Trying again with this guy (not previously rejected, just never let it go to screening):

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../b1332339019.0153clex_a6-etj_4.jpg

And a sharper, less red Skywest:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/l1332253848.093clex_n699br_2.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 40):
Trying again with this guy (not previously rejected, just never let it go to screening):

Looks a bit soft, though that might just be the light.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 40):
And a sharper, less red Skywest:

Looks ok to me.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:20 pm

Considering an appeal on this, but still resistant to appeals in general.

Rejected for grainy / soft.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...h1332901583.9497clex_a7-efd_1b.jpg

I really don't see the grain, honestly. There is frost on top of the fuselage, but somehow I don't think that's what drew the grain rejection. I don't think it's particularly soft either, but I'm not such a good judge of that.

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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:30 pm

Don't see much noise either, but it is a bit soft.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:53 pm

Thanks Dana. I'll just do a little sharpening and check for any noise on the Qatar when I get a chance.

Pre-screening another one here:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../e1334338983.6304clex_ph-bqk_2.jpg

Unsure about sharpness here. But I was surprised to see this aircraft at all last week so I figured I'd try.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:53 pm

Yes, a bit soft, but only needs a little sharpening, not a lot.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:11 am

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place, and I'm sorry to use this thread as an example but I find it very off putting/ frustrating to come across a thread like this and see the relevant photos removed. There is no context now and it's only useful to the OP and the regulars that view this forum and this thread in particular.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting Airimage (Reply 46):
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place, and I'm sorry to use this thread as an example but I find it very off putting/ frustrating to come across a thread like this and see the relevant photos removed. There is no context now and it's only useful to the OP and the regulars that view this forum and this thread in particular.

Well, I guess I understand that frustration, but...I don't pre-screen every image (and I don't think one should) and I don't leave things in the queue if I know they're not going to make it. Rejected images actually do remain for awhile, so you can see those, as well as accepted versions of photos that were re-edited.

I'm not sure if it's useful but most of the time my rejections are for soft, so the vast majority of the time, what I'm doing to fix them is going through and applying selective USM to various places where I think they look soft. Pretty basic, I guess.

Uhm..

Back to the pre/post screening...

I had this big guy rejected for grain and contrast (flat):

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._t1334559751.7017clex_a6-edn_1.jpg

I think this re-edit goes most of the way to addressing those issues:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../a1335326061.7486clex_a6-edn_3.jpg

I'd really like to get this one as living in Boeing land, I never get to photograph these, and I won't be going to any A380 airports anytime soon.

I also decided to try again with this guy, but this is the last time. This KE is mentioned previously in the thread though the old rejected versions are gone from the rejected database. Earlier, more sharpening was recommended for the aft sections, so that's what I did here:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../n1335293876.3864clex_hl7539_4.jpg

[Edited 2012-04-24 21:23:18]
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 47):
I think this re-edit goes most of the way to addressing those issues:

Should be ok.

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 47):
I also decided to try again with this guy

Not bad, but still borderline soft.
 
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RE: Pre/Post-screening (general)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 47):
Well, I guess I understand that frustration, but...I don't pre-screen every image (and I don't think one should) and I don't leave things in the queue if I know they're not going to make it. Rejected images actually do remain for awhile, so you can see those, as well as accepted versions of photos that were re-edited.

I'm not sure if it's useful but most of the time my rejections are for soft, so the vast majority of the time, what I'm doing to fix them is going through and applying selective USM to various places where I think they look soft. Pretty basic, I guess.

I wasn't blaming you mate, I was blaming the system here.

BTW what happened to this http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../x1328154254.3518clex_a6-egm_3.jpg

It's still visible and looks bloody fantastic given the conditions.

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