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Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:47 pm

Hey guys,

went out for spotting today and here's my first pic. I'm lets say fairly new to this when you compare me to others on here so I'm looking for valuable feedback on how to improve my aircraft photography and getting my images on Airliners.net

I think that this picture: http://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=145937&filename=phpXQhIpv.jpeg might need a tad sharpening but I'm not sure as I'm not working on my Photoshop pc but on my work pc.

Thanks for helping me out in advance!

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Thread starter):
might need a tad sharpening but I'm not sure as I'm not working on my Photoshop pc but on my work pc.

Hi Tom,

Composition looks fine although i'd probably crop a little more from the left of the frame to even the amount of blue sky left and right of the aircraft. The front of the aircraft is a little blurry and even with more sharpenig, it's unlikely you'll able to recover that one I'm afraid. This is a common aircraft with lots of photos in the database so standards are a little higher than normal. What aperture / shutter speed did you use? I've not seen the histogram, but the contrast looks like it needs increasing a little too. Other than that, it's not a bad try.

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:24 pm

Hi Darren,

Thanks for the info! I will be uploading more pics soon. As for the histogram and such:
Program (Aperture priority) A
Aperture: f8
Shutter Speed: 1/320s so it's a bit on the slow side, but that's because I've overexposed the pic a bit to keep the noise to a minimum.

Histogram: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/misc/uf/145937/phpQB1nxb.jpeg

EDIT: What do you think about this one? Think my shutter speed might have been a tad too slow as well but I prefer hearing it from someone who has 'the eye'. It seems maybe a tad oversharpened to me but again I might be wrong!

http://www.airliners.net/uf/145937/phpTwDLf9.jpeg

[Edited 2012-02-20 08:39:37]

EDIT2: Or this one?

http://www.airliners.net/uf/145937/phpZqR68K.jpeg


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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:43 pm

Maybe that's why the front of the aircraft is a little blurry compared to the rest of the frame. There's no problem in using ISO 200, most dSLR's produce little noise at ISO 200 to give you a little more shutter speed if needed. I regularly use ISO 200 in the winter months when the light isn't as strong so don't worry about increasing it. The histogram confirms the contrast I mentioned above.

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:48 pm

First one is blurry and flat; second one is better, but too high in the frame.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 3):

Thanks darren,

I'm going out thursday morning again for spotting at BRU so. As for know please look at the 2 foto's in the editted msg above. Thanks again for all your help!

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 5):
please look at the 2 foto'

It is soft. You might also want to convert the colorspace for your images to sRGB before you upload, as that's how they will be displayed on the web/when they are screened. Otherwise you are going to be seeing a difference in the colors between what you are working on, and what you upload.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:33 pm

It should already be set to sRGB, as for the 2nd pic. I suppose I should crop until the space below the plane equals the space above.
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 7):
It should already be set to sRGB, as for the 2nd pic

It is not. It is currently set to Adobe RGB, and when opening the file in Photoshop, the colors are quite different from how they are displayed in the browser.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:33 am

Allrighty, i'll make sure to change that in photoshop then. As for the picture the flat one was the SN airbus Insuppose and the second soft one is the JetairFly right?
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:03 am

What about this? It's the JetairFly again but recropped it and sharpened it. It is also in sRGB 16-bit. I feel like I might have oversharpened it, or maybe I'm just wrong. I used a guideline to put the plane in the middle but I still feel like (might be wrong again) that it's slightly too high in frame.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0015.jpg

Thanks for the help,

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:11 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 10):
feel like I might have oversharpened it

It is a little oversharp and too high in the frame.

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:39 pm

Sounds a bit dumb probably but how much should I get the airplane down in the picture. Seems I have some issues distinguishing the right ratio between upper and lower part of the plane at that angle.
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:57 pm

Sharpening should be ok, but it is slightly high.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 12):
how much should I get the airplane down in the picture.

It's not an exact science, but there are two things that can help: 1) try looking at the thumbnail version to get an idea of the overall centering, and 2) don't forget to consider the tail fin, as it is also part of the aircraft.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 13):
It's not an exact science, but there are two things that can help: 1) try looking at the thumbnail version to get an idea of the overall centering, and 2) don't forget to consider the tail fin, as it is also part of the aircraft.

Thanks,

That's where I go wrong I guess: the tail. As for the sharpening: you would bring it down just slightly if I understand you well?

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:01 pm

Sharpening looks ok overall, like I said. I can only see a few jaggies on the flaps.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 15):
Sharpening looks ok overall, like I said. I can only see a few jaggies on the flaps.

Jep noticed that too. So if I just bring the pic a bit down and upload it to the queue I should be ok right?

EDIT: Wasn't exactly what you'd call nice weather today but hey. Went to the BRU General Aviation area and some Italian diplomatic just arrived in his D'assault Falcon. What do you think?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0113.jpg

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:20 pm

Unlevel and very poor contrast I'm afraid.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:33 pm

Both things can be arranged, will post re-edited tomorrow.
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:38 pm

How's this? I did a small rotate on the pic CW as I thought the pic was not level (going down) from right to left. Secondly adjusted contrast.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0113%28re-edit%29.jpg

EDIT: Might be a bit low in frame now though, or is it just me?

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:49 pm

And I re-edited OO-JAS the jetairfly 737:

Is this better or did I put it too low in frame now? How's the sharpening?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0015%282%29.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 19):
How's this?

Still needs a tiny bit of cw rotation, and contrast is still not great, though I don't think you'll be able to do much more to improve it.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 20):
And I re-edited OO-JAS the jetairfly 737:

Maybe a touch low, and color a bit strong, but might be passable. Sharpening should be fine.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:03 am

Cheers,

I'll get the colors down a bit and then see how it goes in the queue, do you think it stands a chance?
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 22):
do you think it stands a chance?

With minor corrections, yes.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:34 am

Hi again Dana,

Brought the saturation of the colors down a bit and reworked from the original to crop again. This time I lowered it a bit in comparison to the first edit, but it is higher than the second edit.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0015%283%29.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:11 pm

Color still looks a bit off, but might be worth a try as is.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:08 am

Well to me the colors are quite right as I see those planes regularly, but I suppose you mean the sky.

Once again thanks for all help, pic has been uploaded,

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:48 pm

Dana again thanks for all your help, has paid off! First acceptance on a.net
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:02 am

2 more pics from today. Tell me what you think. 1st one has received 1° of CW. Second one I wasn't sure.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0003.jpg

Not sure if it needs a bit more lighting or not.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0013.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:11 am

Both have very poor (low) contrast. The LH also seems a bit blurry.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:30 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 29):
The LH also seems a bit blurry.

Mmm weird I would've thought you would've said that about the SN one and not the LH one. Anyways I'll give the contrast a boost of the first one.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0003%282%29.jpg How's this?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0013%282%29.jpg

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:58 pm

I can see you've increased the contrast a lot on both, but to be honest because the light was pretty terrible to begin with, they only look a little bit better. You can try adding more contrast, but the benefit won't be that significant. Better to wait for nicer conditions next time.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 31):
I can see you've increased the contrast a lot on both, but to be honest because the light was pretty terrible to begin with, they only look a little bit better. You can try adding more contrast, but the benefit won't be that significant. Better to wait for nicer conditions next time.

Conditions indeed where sh*t, so if I understand you well you think it won't have any big effect if I work on the contrast anymore due to the poor light.
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:53 pm

Picture from today (sun was setting) so I don't know if the orangy cast is an issue (as it's the normal lighting of the sun on the plane at this time of the day. Secondly I didn't exactly know how to crop a cockpit picture properly so feel free to give me advice on that  !

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:05 pm

And this one:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0025.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 34):
And this one:

Dark, and really poor/unmotivated crop.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:51 pm

And the first one? How would you crop it? Exclude the engine and just use the nose till the fwd door?
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 36):
And the first one?

Crop is better, but also a bit dark.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 36):
How would you crop it?

Pretty much any way other than what you did. Why did you crop it like that? Any specific reason, or was that simply what came out of the camera? Take a look through the database at previously accepted images to get an idea of what kind of crop is acceptable. That you can't find any similar to yours would be a good hint that such a crop wouldn't be acceptable.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:05 pm

So if I brighten the LX one up a bit, crop should be ok? Anyways I'll take a look at the db to have an idea how to crop it.  
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:25 pm

How's this now Dana? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0044%282%29.jpg

EDIT: I suppose this one will not be able to make it because of quality/oversharpening? Or am I wrong?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0002.jpg

[Edited 2012-03-15 09:56:24]

EDIT2: Not sure about the cropping here and I suppose it might be a bit dark as well? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0040.jpg


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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:07 pm

And another one: I suppose (after looking up some images on Airliners.net) that this crop isn't good for Airliners.net either? Just want the confirmation  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0007.jpg

Also please look at the pictures above, thanks for your help Dana!
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 39):
How's this now Dana?

Should have a pretty good chance.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 39):
EDIT: I suppose this one will not be able to make it because of quality/oversharpening? Or am I wrong?

Maybe a bit os, but bigger problem is the harsh contrast.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 39):
EDIT2

Looks ok

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 40):
And another one: I suppose (after looking up some images on Airliners.net) that this crop isn't good for Airliners.net either?

Better than the TAP, but if you want to be really safe, try to avoid cutting the engine.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 41):
Maybe a bit os, but bigger problem is the harsh contrast.

Not sure what you mean by os?   I've brought the contrast down a bit:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0002%282%29.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 42):
Not sure what you mean by os?

os = Over Sharpened.

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 42):
I've brought the contrast down a bit:

Slight yellow tint, but otherwise looks passable.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:32 pm

Better? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0002%283%29.jpg
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 44):
Better?

Should have a good chance.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:10 pm

The LX has been rejected, because I've left too much space on the top of the plane. Oh well, just a small re-edit and done  
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:47 pm

What do you think about these:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0021.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0019.jpg

Not sure about cropping on the last one.

EDIT:

Suppose this one is too high in frame?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0027.jpg

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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:02 pm

All three are a little soft and flat, but otherwise ok. Third one is a little low, but should be passable. It also has some dust spots.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (Tomskii)

Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 48):
All three are a little soft and flat, but otherwise ok. Third one is a little low, but should be passable. It also has some dust spots.

So a bit more contrast I suppose. As for the dust spots, only visible on the third?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0021%282%29.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33281487/DSC_0019%282%29.jpg

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