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Boing
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Pre Screening

Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:35 pm

hello, your help
What do you think of this picture??
thanks

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8986/30698052.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting boing (Thread starter):
What do you think of this picture?

Soft and taken in very poor light.

You do not need to start a new thread for every image/question. If you have any new images or questions related to them, keep them in this thread.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:57 am

Sorry, but soft to fix the problem what to do?? photo taken in backlight.
If I can give advice to solve the soft, I do not understand how to do (my photos are always soft)
thanks
 
vikkyvik
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting boing (Reply 2):
Sorry, but soft to fix the problem what to do??

You would have to sharpen it in Photoshop or a similar editing program.

However, given this:

Quoting boing (Reply 2):
photo taken in backlight.

There's not much point in editing it for A.net.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:53 am

Quoting boing (Reply 2):
photo taken in backlight.

It is very difficult to get backlit photos accepted here without the proper motivation. The best thing for you to do is wait for better conditions (i.e. clear skies and sun at your back), and then try again. We can worry about sharpening at that time. I don't think any editing will help you save the photo above.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:16 pm

What do you think,
I've improved it soft?
thanks



http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3232/bisdsc2945.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 5):
What do you think,
I've improved it soft?

It's a little oversharpened and noisy, but should be fixable.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:25 pm

now it improved??
thanks

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9898/airlinersdsc2945.jpg
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:32 pm

sorry, I did not notice and I mistakenly deleted the previous
image
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:08 pm

Sharpening is better, but it appears there is some heat haze. You can try to hide it by submitting at 1024, but that may or may not work.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:21 pm

thanks
to put more photos
continued here
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:30 pm

What do you think of this
thanks

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5674/srilankanairlinersdsc41.jpg
 
cargolex
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:43 pm

It's below the minimum size requirement, so it's hard to evaluate. It would be rejected for size if uploaded at those dimensions.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:49 pm

sorry I was wrong

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5674/srilankanairlinersdsc41.jpg
 
vikkyvik
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:49 pm

Looks a bit oversharpened to me.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:01 am

Also has some editing halos around the aircraft that you should take care of.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:50 pm

an opinion on this photo
thanks

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9781/saudid.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:26 am

Noisy, and VERY oversharpened.
 
teopilot
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:46 pm

I agree with what Dana said... (and how can he be wrong?! LOL)

You've applied too much USM, thus probably ending up into grain (because I don't know if the picture was already grainy by itself, but the USM usually make things worse...).
Also, I see some grain in the sky, probably due to the fact that you didn't use the USM selectively (there's a quick how-to-do guide for this on A.net photo editing guide)

A general rule: exceeding never pays off... and, also in this case, by exceeding with the USM you have got a picture that seems quite "unreal" to me, because of its excessive sharpening.
I'll give you a word of advice, basing on my experience: generally I apply USM three times...
1. 200%, 0.2, 0
2. 200%, 0.2, 0
3. 100%, 0.2, 0
This technique works almost perfectly for my combos, both 70-200L and 15-85 on my 450D.
But there are not general rules when it comes to sharpening... you can be given advice, but you have to try and try until you find the perfect settings.

But what I think you're missing too is a quick pass with NR tool: USM generally makes some grain come out... with a "soft" NR pass, you can benefit a lot (at least, this works with me!).

I can see lots of jaggies on your last picture too.
It's better to apply USM on a duplicated layer and then to use the eraser tool to erase them. (Jaggies are those "white lines" that came to be noticeable with strong USM passes).

Hope it helps!
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:21 pm

hours as it goes,
I selected the aircraft and unsharp mask 90, 0.5, 0

anyway you advise me to select only one aircraft to apply sharpening.

Thanks for your valuable advice

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7756/webdsc1596.jpg
 
teopilot
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:34 pm

Well, to be honest, I see it better if compared to the previous one.

But it is still soft to my eye... I'd go with several further USM passes. Don't be harsh in applying it... and use the same method: duplicate layer, select the aircraft, USM, eraser tool, Noise reducion and flatten image.
That's all!  
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:57 pm

sorry but I have not quite clear how to use the eraser
Can you explain it to me since you're so kind
thanks
applied two mask steps as you said 200,0.2,0
thanks

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3707/2webdsc1596.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:11 am

Quoting boing (Reply 21):
applied two mask steps as you said 200,0.2,0

Still quite oversharpened.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:07 pm

back again
so could go, almost nothing usm
thanks,
unfortunately I can not see the marks that you say or you say the lines ....


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3161/saudy3dsc1596.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting boing (Reply 23):
back again

Best one so far, though just a little too soft now. It looks like heat haze might be present, and if that is the case, you will not be able to fix the image.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:18 pm

although I really like,
changing image.
How about this
thanks


http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4466/layonairweb.jpg

[Edited 2012-03-08 09:23:25]
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 25):
How about this

Not too bad, though there seems to be a fair amount of compression. Because of that hard to say for sure if it's too noisy/os.
 
teopilot
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 24):
It looks like heat haze might be present, and if that is the case, you will not be able to fix the image.

I agree that heat haze is always a pain in the neck as it is not fixable in any way... but I can still remember a word of advice someone (probably Dana himself) here gave me some time ago: to try with a resize.
I think that in this case it worth a try, since the image should be around 1200px wide... So, if I were you, I'd have a go with a 1024px resize and see what it looks like.
Maybe I remmber wrong... but I used it at times and it seems to work properly when heat haze is not so incisive!  
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:48 pm

We tried again in 1024 what do you say thanks
I love this photo!!

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/293/saudy3eiezl1024.jpg


and also put this occasion.
Thanks to all

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4029/cargowebdsc2952.jpg
 
vikkyvik
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting boing (Reply 28):
We tried again in 1024 what do you say thanks
I love this photo!!

It is a nice photo, but just might not be what A.net is looking for. Acceptance or rejection here isn't necessarily a judgment on your photographic skills, or even on the particular photo. It's worth keeping that in mind.

Even at 1024, your photo looks quite soft in parts, yet almost oversharpened in others. I think heat haze is probably the killer for this one.

Quoting boing (Reply 28):
and also put this occasion.

It's soft and a bit high in the frame for my taste (Dana may disagree), but the major obstacle (no pun intended) is the blockage of the gear and engine by the taxiway signs. That will likely result in a motive rejection.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:06 am

Quoting boing (Reply 28):
We tried again in 1024 what do you say thanks
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
Even at 1024, your photo looks quite soft in parts, yet almost oversharpened in others.

Yes, probably best to give up on this one.

Quoting boing (Reply 28):
and also put this occasion.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
It's soft and a bit high in the frame for my taste (Dana may disagree)

No, you are correct on both counts Vik.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
It's soft and a bit high in the frame for my taste (Dana may disagree), but the major obstacle (no pun intended) is the blockage of the gear and engine by the taxiway signs. That will likely result in a motive rejection.

I understand it, the obstacles that are seen close to the wheels
and the motor are cause for rejection.
thanks

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
It is a nice photo, but just might not be what A.net is looking for. Acceptance or rejection here isn't necessarily a judgment on your photographic skills, or even on the particular photo. It's worth keeping that in mind.

ok
I know abandonment,
try again with more photos
thanks
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:04 pm

How about this
thanks

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8898/iranairepibl.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting boing (Reply 32):
How about this

A little flat and noisy, but otherwise ok.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 pm

I was rejected because soft
What do you think?


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4426/airlinersdsc1024.jpg
 
cargolex
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:52 pm

It looks like a fair rejection to me - it does look soft overall to me. Selective sharpening might help. If you're working in photoshop, try selecting individual areas of the aircraft and copying them into a new layer, then applying unsharp mask (I realize you may already have done this).

I get a significant number of soft rejections and I have to tell you, sharpening is probably the most difficult and frustrating aspect of working on my images - so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 35):
If you're working in photoshop, try selecting individual areas of the aircraft and copying them into a new layer, then applying unsharp mask (I realize you may already have done this).

I selected only the plane and I applied unsharp mask.
I can better explain what it means to select individual parts of the plane (what you mean by parts?)
thanks
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting boing (Reply 34):
I was rejected because soft
What do you think?

I think what I said in reply 9 is still true. There is some heat haze, and you weren't able to hide it even at the smaller size. You probably cannot fix this image for here.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:59 pm

ok, I just wanted to understand what needs to be done to solve the problem "soft"
thanks

while I post this.
Give me good news .....

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8584/austrialianoelnndsc4836.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 38):
while I post this.

A little oversharpened. Might be acceptable with a better edit.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 39):
A little oversharpened. Might be acceptable with a better edit.

recommendations?
less sharpening!
thanks
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:21 am

Hard to tell without seeing the original. I can take a look if you would like and tell you if the quality is there to make it worth another attempt.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:01 pm

original image, reduced to 1200
thanks waiting for news

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dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 42):
original image, reduced to 1200

Reduced to 1200 defeats the purpose. Contact me privately, and then I can give you an address where you can send the original full-size file.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 43):
Reduced to 1200 defeats the purpose. Contact me privately, and then I can give you an address where you can send the original full-size file.

I sent the mail
thanks
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:01 pm

Hello, I'm back,
so can fit?
thanks

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dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:41 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 45):
Hello, I'm back,
so can fit?

Hi, it's soft, dark, and poorly centered.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:46 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 26):
Not too bad, though there seems to be a fair amount of compression. Because of that hard to say for sure if it's too noisy/os.

but it is possible that I was rejected for the following reason
Reject reason: soft oversharpened
or are the subjects that are not interesting??

if not, asks advice sucome solve this problem
thanks

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4466/layonairweb.jpg
 
dlowwa
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting boing (Reply 47):
but it is possible that I was rejected for the following reason
Reject reason: soft oversharpened

Yes, it does have that look... Personally, I try to never give soft and oversharpened as reasons for a single image as I can see how confusing/contradictory that can seem, but there are certainly are cases when it could happen. If your image is quite soft to start and you apply too much sharpening to compensate, that would be the result. I can't say if that's exactly what happened with your image, but like I said, it does have that look.
 
Boing
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:34 pm

ok, but at least when the place can tell me please the image
be accepted, so I avoid long waits and then .....
thanks always very kind
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