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Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Hi,
this was rejected because of grainy and soft:



Before re-uploading the new edition I would like to have your feedback if it's OK now:



Thanks and regards,
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:14 pm

Hi,

Still soft (and dark); not sure if the quality is there.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:46 pm

Is the soft problem only the background (mountains)? The focus sits on the wing which seems sharp to me.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 2):
The focus sits on the wing which seems sharp to me.

No, the wing is soft, especially the winglet.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:27 pm

It is a bit curious, the antennas are pin sharp, but the leading edge of the winglet is problematic. I've got another frame but with less aircraft visible it wouldn't fit on this site. So I made another try and added also a bit brightness. Would be a pity if it doesn't make it because I like the motive very much (but that doesn't matter I think ).



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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:18 pm

Still soft. Might have a chance with some sharpening and at 1024.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:57 pm

Thank you! That's an idea, i'll see what I can do.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:30 pm

At the risk of being annoying  I'd like to ask if it's going in the right direction. I now concentrated on the edges of the wing and especially the winglet:

 
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Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:16 am

Better, though I still thinking going with 1024 wouldn't hurt your chances.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Thank you Dana for your helpful response! Now I have this one with 1024p in the queue:



Hope it will make it...
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:07 pm

I got another one which may be difficult. So I would like to get some opinions if it would have a chance and is worth uploading:



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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu May 03, 2012 7:05 pm

Hi,
yesterday I uploaded this one:



It would be cool to get some feedback because I took the photo in a difficult light situation and I am not sure if the quality is enough to leave it in the queue.

Thank you very much!
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Thu May 03, 2012 8:21 pm

Looks a little soft and oversaturated, but might be workable with a better edit.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 pm

Hey,
I'd like to know if this one is ok in terms of sharpness. It is a new edit after rejection because of that.



Thanks a lot!
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:01 pm

Hi,
after some repeated rejections I have to ask for feedback before uploading the reedited versions.

Starting with this one, first rejection due to soft, second oversharped (jaggies on leading edge). Hopefully I now got the right balance:



Here the reason were oversharped titles:



The next one was a bit overexposed:



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Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:35 pm

Quality should be ok on the second and third, but don't think it's there for the first.
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:16 pm

Thank you for the fast reply!

Again to the first one, do you mean there is a problem with sharpness or can you specify missing quality? It's a pity that such uncommon shots are so difficult to get accepted...
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 16):
Again to the first one, do you mean there is a problem with sharpness or can you specify missing quality?

Looks a little blurry, and oversharpened to compensate to me.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 16):
It's a pity that such uncommon shots are so difficult to get accepted...

Sorry, there are thousands of widow view shots already accepted, and yours is really too dark to see anything interesting. Don't see why it should get special consideration.
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:38 pm

Thank you for the explanation, it's really helpful for me to collect experience. And yes you're absolutely right. In this case I already used ISO1250 and additional pushed it in post-processing about 1EV - so when I think right, yes, there are really better shots online - no problem.  
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:00 pm

Hello,
can someone with a reliable monitor look if the color of this photo is ok now? My monitor is not professionally calibrated, so I have to rely on the AWB of my cam...
In the rejection there was no remark, only the tag color. It could have been a bit yellow, I have tried to correct that:



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Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:19 pm

A bit yellow, but the bigger problem is the contrast. In fact, checking the logs, this had been rejected twice for contrast, and it looks like you've made minimal to no change to the contrast between the two images. I suggest you do something to address that if you decide to attempt the image again.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:27 pm

Thanks for your evaluation. Yes I have to adjust contrast and crop. Just wanted to clear the color problem first...
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 21):

Since your contrast is higher that yellow-ish cast is more prominent as well  
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:22 pm

Hehe,
so that brings light into darkness. Am I right that the contrast is to high? I thought in the other direction and increased it after the first rejection, did I misunderstood?

HB-JHJ (now with less contrast and corrected white balance):



So I have to ask about a second shot from this sequence. Maybe I over-corrected the contrast issue after this one was rejected first because of low contrast, in the second rejection contrast was complained without notice so I increased it again. You can have a look:

HB-JHD:


[Edited 2012-07-29 14:23:29]
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:47 pm

In my view (but I might be wrong) both have a tad too much contrast.

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Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 23):
Am I right that the contrast is to high?

Second version is better.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 25):
Second version is better.

Ok, than I assume contrast of the other shot (HB-JHD) is also to high?
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 26):
Ok, than I assume contrast of the other shot (HB-JHD) is also to high?

   Sorry, missed that they were two different regs. -JHD in reply #23 looks passable, but -JHJ the contrast looks a little low.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:55 pm

Ahh ok, it was not clever from me to ask about two similar shots in the same post.
But it's no problem, so I will let JHD in the queue how it is and add some contrast to JHJ.

Thanks for your help!
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:23 am

Hey,
can someone confirm if colour is ok now?

http://www.abload.de/img/hb-ixr.1024.new.highiylbu.jpg

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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 29):
colour is ok now?

Now? Compared to what?
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:30 pm

Hi Dana,
this is the rejected one:



I got no advice in which way the colour should be corrected. For the rejected one I used automatic white balance. I adjusted the new one a little bit into the blue direction because from my experience awb sometimes tends to have a yellowish tint.


While we're at it I would link to ask another question:



This one was rejected first time due to over-sharpened (the only reason). I reedited it and now it was rejected because of crop, dead space in front of the aircraft. But as described in the rejection guide (acceptable off-center) I have a reason to crop it this way - to show the aircraft behind. How is your opinion?

BTW, I never get these rejection mails, so I have no chance not appeal it. Do I risk a warning when I try it again maybe with a comment to the screeners?

Thanks, Max

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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
this is the rejected one:

Can't say I see a big difference between the two, but they both seem a bit yellow.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
I used automatic white balance.

I would try to avoid automatic anything really, nothing better than using your own judgment.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
While we're at it I would link to ask another question:

Centering should be fine, as the awkward centering is probably better than the awkward crop that would result if you cut the 74SP behind.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
BTW, I never get these rejection mails, so I have no chance not appeal it.

Bookmark this:

http://www.airliners.net/myphotos/appeal_photo.php
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:30 pm

I am going to adjust the colour of the first photo again, it is no problem because I use RAW format. Generally I just have more confidence in the AWB then in my uncalibrated monitor and mostly it works good.  

As you share my opinion on the off-centered second photo I decided to appeal it - let's see what is going to happen...

Thanks again for your help!
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:01 pm

I am not surprised that the appeal was declined because of the grainy issue, but beside that the reason is again bad centered. Sure that I should crop it this way? It really does not look better with this cutted 747:



Or should I first work on the grainy issue only and try it again with the first crop?
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:20 pm

I see there were not any comments about the crop on the appeal so it could be that whoever handled it forgot to remove 'centering' as a reason, but I guess you'd be better off now just re-submitting with the tighter crop.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:16 pm

What do you think about heat haze in this shot, would it be acceptable?



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Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:29 pm

Heat haze shouldn't be a problem, though whatever you've done to the sky has made it quite blotchy.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:45 pm

Thanks for the fast reply!
I think the sky got blotchy because I brightened up the shades of blue a little bit, that should be fixed now:

 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 38):
that should be fixed now

This should be fine.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:20 pm

How is your opinion about this one? I reedited it after it got rejected because of "quality grainy soft dark":



Te rejected one is here.

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Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 40):
How is your opinion about this one?

I don't see noise being a problem, but the light isn't very good.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:43 pm

Hey,
I got another rejection:



reason: low contrast motive contrast personal

Can someone explain the motive issue? Should I crop tighter on the instruments?

Thanks in advance!
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Maybe this way?

New edit:
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 42):
Hey,
I got another rejection:

I think the motive should have been passable on the first, but the contrast is a bit low. The second is overexposed and quite noisy; and I think the crop is better on the first personally.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:55 pm

Thanks Dana, I will follow your suggestion and make a new edit tomorrow.
Best Regards, Max
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:01 pm

I recently changed my monitor and have calibrated it. Now I can comprehend why some shots before got rejected.  However I have to get used to it. Unconsciously I still apply the compensation which was necessary with the old monitor. 

So this one was rejected for color (blue cast) and grainy in 1400px resolution. I reedited the shot today and exported in only 1200px:



Is it OK now? For me it looks good, but it is tricky to get the right balance due to the different light temperatures between the foreground (shadow on engine and wing) and the daylight in background.

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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 46):
Is it OK now?

Maybe a touch blue, but I don't see color being an major issue.
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:22 pm

Since I got my new and calibrated monitor, I understand why the picture in post 40 (Swiss A319) was rejected.  

Now I was trying to get a reedited version accepted, but it was rejected twice for overexposed and now for low contrast and soft. Before getting the next rejection I would like to ask for your opinion.

First two of the rejected to compare:
Overexposed

low contrast, soft:


This is the new one which is now in the queue with higher contrast, more sharpness and only 1024p:


Regards, Max

[Edited 2013-04-29 14:24:54]
 
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RE: Pre-/Post-Screening MLP86

Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:34 pm

The new one appears a bit oversharpened in spots, for example the reg letters and the rear of the tail.

The contrast looks pretty good to me now, but I sometimes err on the low side so others might not agree.

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