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Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:53 am

Hi all,

Dana suggested for me to open up a new thread, which I've done so.

Just wanting your feedback here. Got the following photo rejected for soft, blurry, oversaturated colors & quality.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20120920_q1347359031.5767hs-tgo_01-1200_thaiairwaysinternational_b744.jpg

I'm struggling to pick up the blurry/soft parts in the photo. Can you point this out for me? Had I noticed any blurriness initially, I wouldn't go as far as editing/submitting the photo.

Over saturation is easily fixed although I don't think the colors are too bad; not too eye popping in my monitor.

Look forward to your feedback.

Cheers,

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:01 am

Hi Hendra,

The quality isnt great,Its affected by alot of heathaze,Very soft and slight blur around wing area/engines,Also the front of the fuselage and nosegear.
Oversaturation I wouldnt say its too bad but overall the quality isnt there.
You will start to notice over the next few months during the summer periods that trying to get decent shots will only be possible between 6-830am and after 3-4pm-Dusk,I was surprised the other day I was shooting around 8am in morning and the heathaze was quite bad.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:07 am

Hi Mark,

Thanks again for your input.
Appreciate the eagle eyed review on the heat haze around the wing, gear etc.

I planned to go spotting tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully the haze will be at a minimum. Top temp to be about 20 degrees, so crossing my fingers for the best. Might bring the ladder and take some photos around the fence. You should join me if you are free.  

Cheers,
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:07 am

Agree with Mark, color looks passable, but it does look a little blurry.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:21 am

Thanks Dana for your input as well.

OK, I got this one rejected for still soft.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20120924_e1347633923.3628b-lae_01v3-1200_cathaypacificairways_a333.jpg

Mark may recall this one from the previous thread, where this image was rejected for red cast and over sharpened.
I included a personal message to the screener noting that this is the second attempt. Color does look better (thanks Mark) but to counter the over sharpened issue, I applied a lighter pass of USM.
I think the screener misunderstood the personal note.

Still soft?? Soft was not an issue in the first place, until now..

So, what do you think? Have I gone too light on the USM - therefore, could do with another pass?? Or is it worth appealing??

FYI, here is the first attempt to compare;

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20120906_y1346228888.5565b-lae_01v2-1200_cathaypacificairways_a333.jpg

Thanks guys.



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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 4):
I think the screener misunderstood the personal note.

Could also have been typo on their part.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 4):
is it worth appealing?

Don't think so, quality actually doesn't look that great. Maybe some heat haze present you are trying to compensate for?
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:01 am

Hi Hendra,

As Dana has mentioned it seems effected but some heathaze which kills the shot straight away,Trying to get the balance right might be quite hard because of the quality not really being there,Was this shot taken same day as the Thai 747 at around a similiar time like 10-1130am?

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:23 am

Hi guys,

Thanks for having a look.
I'll have to look back at the original later on tonight.

Mark, there is a good chance this CX photo was taken around the same time as the Thai 747. Looks like shooting CX110 (first CX flight for the day) might be the way to go.

By the way, do you use a ladder at the Tower Mound? I'm thinking of doing that next time. The elevation might help/give a different perspective. Although in saying that, the TG was shot whilst I was on top of someone's car.  

Cheers,
HB

Edit: I'm certain that I have other frames that I could possibly use and submit. I just thought submitting this photo just to be a little different from the rest of my photos. Looks like a blue sky background might be the way to go.  Smile

[Edited 2012-09-24 22:29:10]
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:23 am

Hi all,

Got this one came back with rejection reasons as: common, category & dark.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20120930_m1348210990.5281vh-oeb_02-1200_qantasairways_b744.jpg

So with the encouragement all else is OK; common is just a tag on reason, which I understand also means that I need a near perfect photo.

Category will be easily fixed - was not sure if this was classified as a special livery (obviously is).

Now, the dark rejection - I realised the sun was still quite high at the time. Is this photo fixable at all? Can I counter by adding a little more brightness?

Hope the photo can get in there.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 8):
Is this photo fixable at all?

It looks backlit, so probably not, especially given how common it is.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:12 am

Hi all,

Got this one done for soft: around the front door and over exposed.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121005_b1348611449.3703vh-yih_01-1280_virginaustralia_b738.jpg

1. Is it soft just around the front door or other areas as well??

2. Personally, I feel the exposure in general is OK. Is it out by much?

Thanks,



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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 10):
1. Is it soft just around the front door or other areas as well??

It looks soft in general on my screen, but moreso towards the front of the aircraft.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 10):
2. Personally, I feel the exposure in general is OK. Is it out by much?

It is a little hot, certainly too bright for this site.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:29 am

Thanks alot Darren.
Hopefully the softness is fixable. Back to the drawing board with this one.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:21 pm

Hi all,

I got this photo rejected for soft & over sharpened. One of those where some parts are soft and over sharpened at the same time.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121008_o1348882812.5125n254up_01-1152_unitedparcelservice_md-11f.jpg

Can you please kindly point out, which areas are soft, so I can start over and selectively sharpened those areas.

Thanks,
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:41 am

Hi Hendra,

Image is quite oversharpened especially around the titles and the edge of the aircraft,Only soft area I can find is around the nose/first door.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:31 am

Hi Mark,

Hope you're well. Sorry for the extra late reply. Been so busy lately that I had actually forgotten I had posted the UPS for feedback. Nevertheless, I've taken your advice and will re-work it.

Just a question regarding the image below;

Is the crop acceptable? Cutting the horizontal stabiliser. I've had a couple of photos where the crop involved cutting the stab but was accepted. From my understanding, pending on the motive, angle of the photo, in some instances it may be acceptable.

How is the photo in general?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/A6-EBQ_01-1200_Emirates_B77W.jpg

Thanks again.
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 15):
Is the crop acceptable?

Yes. You've cropped it tightly enough that it should be ok.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 15):
How is the photo in general?

Soft/almost blurry, and oversharpened to compensate. Doubt it would pass screening as it is.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:18 pm

Hi all,

Got this one done for dust spot above tail, which I shall equalize at home, and soft.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121021_g1350028573.2277g-bnlm_01-1280_britishairways_b744.jpg

I'm not questioning the dirty rejection, but soft? Is it? I was worried it might be the other way.

Please confirm if I need to go over the sharpening once more or just fix the dust spot.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:39 pm

Looks maybe a touch soft, but not a whole lot.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:23 pm

Hi guys,

Can I get your thoughts on this one?
Rejected for dark and soft.
Photo taken probably an hour before sunset, so the light was getting low, reaching the stage of late afternoon/evening.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121025_h1350378627.1531zk-nci_01-1200_airnewzealand_b763er.jpg

I like to question both reasoning. I don't see dark as an issue. Make it any brighter, maybe it will be then over exposed etc.
And where is it soft to warrant a rejection? If you can tell me where, maybe I can apply some more USM (selectively).

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:08 pm

'Dark' as a rejection reason often causes consternation, as the logical conclusion is the image needs to be brighter, but it is often given as a rejection when the light just isn't very favorable. I agree that making your image brighter wouldn't help, but I also agree that overall the light isn't very good, as it was coming more or less directly from the side.

For softness, it looks soft all-over to be honest. Would benefit from some sharpening and maybe a smaller size. There is also a dust spot over the left wing that was missed.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:33 pm

Thanks for explaining the dark rejection Dana. Appreciate it. I haven't had much luck with front-on shots. I had another rejected for dark.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121019_f1349851272.5257n122ua_01-1200_unitedairlines_b744.jpg

^ Dark was listed as one of the reasons for the image above. I think harsh contrast was the other - which is fair enough.


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With the UA shot that I had taken, if I reduce the contrast (which I don't think helped because the flaps is still active, so extreme shadows "look and feel" will always be there), can I overcome the dark rejection? Or is the light not favorable as well, on this occasion?

I'll work on it later tonight and might get your feedback to see if I can get on the right track.  

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 21):
I had another rejected for dark.

Yeah, 'dark' was probably the wrong rejection reason - if anything, harsh contrast would have been more appropriate. As with the other one above, increasing the exposure isn't going to help much.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:58 pm

Ok, so I'll ignore the dark rejection then for the UA shot. That changes the whole perspective and luckily I asked you first before having a second attempt and increasing the exposure to overcome the dark rejection initially.  

Thanks a lot Dana. You've been most helpful. Appreciate your effort to help us all. Cheers!
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:03 am

Hi all,

Wanting your feedback on the photo below. Was rejected for soft and common. To resolve the soft issues, I've applied a pass of USM, hopefully to fix the problem. What are your thoughts?

Rejected Image:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121103_t1351234196.8805a6-eda_01-1280-withsmallpassofusm_emirates_a388.jpg

The fix:

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/A6-EDA_01v2-1280_Emirates_A388.jpg

Appreciate your feedback.
I really like the photo and the tight cropping. I will do everything to ensure it makes it onto the DB.  
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 24):
The fix:

Better, but would be safer at a smaller size.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:10 pm

Thanks Dana. I haven't resubmitted the EK photo yet but I might try my luck out as is. The photo was about 5000 px once cropped (I didn't have to crop much), so the quality should be there for it.

I like some feedbacks/tips on this photo that came back for soft and centering; high in frame

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121107_d1351501466.3315n384ha_01v2-1280_hawaiianairlines_a332.jpg

I can't say that I completely agree with the centering reason. Although after taking a second look, maybe it could do with one more "down" key press.

Soft - can you tell me if it's the whole aircraft or specific parts? I might've applied the same standard (sunny, well lit photos) sharpening inputs onto this image. As the light was quite low for this photo, I may need to be a little more "aggressive". Anyway, if you can point out areas where it could do with more USM, please let me know.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:25 pm

Centering is slightly high but passable for me; the whole aircraft is soft.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:49 am

Hi all,

Got this one done for motive: poor crop on the left - main wheel cut off.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...03v2-1200_japanairlines_b772er.jpg

Just wanted some advise on how to crop gears/tires properly, so I can fix this issue for future photos and this one.
How do you do it? I have this same confusion with engines as well, but I'll leave that for another day.

If I could use photographs that are already in the database as examples for this lesson;


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^ Aren't the photos above technically also has a poor crop on the tire or gear as well? As in, they're cut off as well? What happens had I crop (my photo) tire/wheel half-half? Would that had been more acceptable?

Should I re-crop the photo up to the flag/engine? By doing so, I see it as an easy way out though.

The original framing/photo is attached below. Looking back at the original, maybe I should had left it, so it resembles the EK A380/QF B744 as per examples above.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/IMG_3751_crop-1.jpg

Appreciate your input/lesson.

Thanks,
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:29 pm

Hi all,

Can I please get a level check for the following?

So many poles, but I was told once before by Dana and Mark H, to never trust the light poles as they're uneven. Anyway, so I based my level on the building in the center (near the BA plane/tail).

What are your thoughts? Does it look level? If it's not level, how many degrees do I suggest for me to turn it? I think I'm pretty close to be where it should be. Any adjustments should be minor (I hope).

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/IMG_4403-checkforlevel-2.jpg

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 29):
Can I please get a level check for the following?

Level looks ok, I think.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:35 pm

Thanks Dana.
With the feeling it was OK, I went ahead to process the QF photo above and found it difficult to center the frame (aircraft too low) unless I crop it tightly. I might give it a miss. Nevertheless, I found other similarly situated photos which may be workable and I will use the building on the background to assist me with the level.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:37 am

Hello,

Got this one done for OVER SATURATION. I'm surprised by it as I did not add any vibrance/saturation to the photo. Obviously, I had to amend the contrast and brightness etc, so that does alter the color somewhat.
On a side note, the plane itself, is relatively quite new. I'm only guessing though and I should really check airfleet to confirm but with the rego SKL sounds to be relatively new - not sure if that helps my case.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20121204_c1353965244.67939v-skl_02-1200_singaporeairlines_a388.jpg

Now, the last time I used other photographer's published photo(s) as example/comparison to highlight/support my point, I did not get a response from anybody. But I can't help but to use that approach again to illustrate my point. I'll just use one...

Same plane, same rego...


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* Much respect to the photographer above.

^ Doesn't the photo above is more saturation than mine?

Do you see any chance of acceptance via appeal?

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:40 am

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 32):
Got this one done for OVER SATURATION.

Color looks fine.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:42 am

Thanks Dana. I might appeal if you don't mind.
Cheers,
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:31 am

Hi Dana,

Thanks for your input earlier. The photo has now been approved via appeal.

Can I get your view on the following photos?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/CC-CQF_02-1280_LANChile_A343.jpg

^ Would this photo be too high in frame? Otherwise, is it OK in general?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/JA707J_04-1200_JapanAirlines_B772ER.jpg

^ Was previously rejected for motive/poor crop on the main landing gear. Would this crop be any better? If yes, then is the photo in general OK? Hope the crop is passable. It looks cool to fit the JAPAN AIRLINES title in the frame.  http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/PK-GPH_05-1200_GarudaIndonesia_A332.jpg

^ Would really like to have this photo in the database. I cropped it using 4:3 ratio because I wanted to leave the "interesting" bottom half in the composition. Would it be OK as is? Or am I allowed to do one of those "off-centered" crop and include more of the bottom half (grass) - and less of the sky? How is the photo in general? Please note: photo was taken about an hour before sunset. I suppose a bit of yellow (if there is any) is perhaps tolerable?

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:37 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 35):
Would this photo be too high in frame?

Centering looks ok.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 35):
Would this crop be any better?

Still cutting the main gear.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 35):
Would it be OK as is?

Flat, but centering is ok. Would probably remove bird top right just to be safe.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:41 am

Hi Dana,

As always, appreciate your experienced feedback.

Just some follow up questions;

1. With regards to the JAL photo - if I crop it tighter up to the engine nacelle, would that make any difference? I can see part of the main wheel (under shadow - looks black) will be featured. I supposed this is technically still cutting the main wheel, right? Is there any way around it, with the current frame?

2. With regards to the Garuda photo - I will add a bit more contrast to the photo and get you to check it out before submitting. Just to get a feeling, am I far off with the contrast? Since no mention about it, I presume the photo is passable on the subject of color cast?

Thanks again.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 37):
if I crop it tighter up to the engine nacelle, would that make any difference?

Still wouldn't be great, but would be better than how it is now.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 37):
Just to get a feeling, am I far off with the contrast?

No, it's not too bad. Color is maybe a touch cyan, but I don't see it being a major issue.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:34 am

Hi Dana,

Thanks again. I really need to learn how to use the quote function properly.  

I'll leave the JL for now. I'm sure I had taken many other frames, so I'll choose another. Does JL fly to your local airport?

On a final note, I made a small adjustment on the Garuda A332. Flat and a touch cyan. I added some contrast, adjusted the levels a little bit and added +1 of red in the color balance. How does it look now? Hope I didn't make it worse.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/PK-GPH_05v2-1200_GarudaIndonesia_A332.jpg

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:31 pm

Dana,
I just realised that I forgot to get rid of the bird on the top right hand corner, as you suggested. I have got rid of the bird on the revised version, which I won't upload here, as it will be the same as the above.

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:09 am

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 39):
Does JL fly to your local airport?

Yup, until a year or two ago were using 747s, then went to 772s briefly, and are now to 763s. Hopefully with things starting to look better, they'll bring back the 777s.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 39):
On a final note, I made a small adjustment on the Garuda

Should have a decent chance.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 41):
Yup, until a year or two ago were using 747s, then went to 772s briefly, and are now to 763s. Hopefully with things starting to look better, they'll bring back the 777s.

Good stuff. For us, the 77W is quite rare and it is normally quite noteworthy when such equipment change is implemented for Sydney.

Thank you for your help with the GA A332. I would be quite proud to have a decent photo of my national airline in the database.

If you don't mind, I'd like to query a couple more taken in CGK. I'm always concerned with the color cast (mostly yellow cast), so let me know if any of them pose any issues with colors and of course, anything else in general.

PK-GFS - I don't know, something tells me this one could possibly be slightly high in frame. Unsure about the overall color either.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/PK-GFS_04-1280_GarudaIndonesia_B738.jpg

PK-AXG - I chose two frames. Which is better in terms of, which one is almost ready?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/PK-AXG_01-1200_IndonesiaAirAsia_A322.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/PK-AXG_02-1200_IndonesiaAirAsia_A322.jpg

One in Sydney;

A6-EHB - Is the photo in general OK? The crop? I tried to center the aircraft as best I could, whilst leaving a bit of room to fit the horses at the bottom. I thought this photo was somewhat interested, as the jump seat rider had a look over his shoulder to check the horses out (or perhaps the women out)?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/A6-EHB_05-1200_EtihadAirways_A345.jpg

Cheers,
HB
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:41 pm

Hi all,

After experiencing quite a pleasant experience to ensure a photo is up to the standard, I now have to experience this.

I'm not happy with it, because my aim was to improve my acceptance ratio, after dropping to a measly 24% a month ago. Throughout this month, I've achieved that and bumped my acceptance ratio to 56% at one stage.

Anyway, I'm not happy with what happened, because to me, we were going around in circles over a photo, wasted 2 attempts whilst at it (dropping my ration unnecessarily), and even though I had fixed the only issue with the photo, it was rejected for something else that was OK'ed first time around. Isn't it frustrating? What makes it even more puzzling was that a head screener (or two) got involved in the decision and advise making.

What can I do next?

The photo in question and what happened. Please note that I don't have the exact timeline log.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...a6-ebq_03v2-1280_emirates_b77w.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20121128_w1353399946.7323a6-ebq_03v2-1280_emirates_b77w.jpg

Nov 29, 2012: Rejected by a screener for DARK, YELLOW CAST COLOR and MOTIVE for horizontal stabiliser cut off.

Appealed the same day it was rejected. I explained during the appeal, that the light was low (about an hour before sunset) and I was told that the crop was fine due to the tight crop as per feedback I gathered from a screener via direct email - no need to guess who it is. He is the most helpful one here on this forum.

Anyway, the head screener who handled the case rejected the appeal saying; Motive and color OK. But contrast harsh making it look a bit dark.

So what do you do before re-uploading again? Listen to the advise given and fix the image accordingly.

I re-uploaded the second time after toning down the contrast and probably adjusted the levels to bring it in line with the contrast adjustment.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...a6-ebq_03v3-1280_emirates_b77w.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20121206_a1354175832.1697a6-ebq_03v3-1280_emirates_b77w.jpg

Rejected Dec 07, 2012: Rejected by a screener for Color is still off and motive (crop) is poor.

I scratched my head when I saw this, even though I included in the note, that this photo went through the appeal process and the Head Screener confirms color and motive was ok etc etc etc.. I think you all know what I would've said to save the screener a bit of tip of where we are with the photo. What was encouraging (to me at least), the dark rejection is gone, so to me, I've overcome the DARK problem.

I appealed not too long after the rejection. I thought this should be a straight forward fix.

Woke up this morning to see that the photo was not added to the database with the message: Screener correct.

Now, this may sound simple and straight forward rejection for which ever Head Screener who handled the case (even though I included in the note, please get a better understanding on the situation as this is the second time around), but to me, this is baffling at most. Not sure if I am over reacting here but I have followed all valuable inputs to "get it right" and yeah, I'm not going anywhere - quite frustrating.

Is this one of those photo where it is 50/50 which causes subjective decision making, pending who handles it? I wish the appeal process or re-uploading process can be handled in a way, that it is screened by the same screener whom rejected it initially. That way, you won't have this situation where one person says fine, the other says no. For someone who is trying to improve stats, this is a set back and I'm far from happy with this decision.

Regards,



Hendra Barnes

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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:18 pm

You do realise there are six different head screeners, right? Unfortunately, we are not all going to agree 100%, all of the time. Inconsistent in this case yes, but hard to avoid completely when you have a number of human beings trying to come to a subjective decision. In fact, we are not allowed to handle appeals of images we had any hand in screening, so as to be impartial. Obviously there was a disagreement about the image, which is why you had two different outcomes.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:03 pm

Thanks for explaining the situation and acknowledging the inconsistency of the decision with this photo. I'm obviously disappointed since I am the one affected, but I will move on/forward.

Cheers!
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:50 am

Hi all,

I've got the following G-VEIL photos for you to review and provide feedback in relation to if it's ready for the queue;

1. Tail shot of G-VEIL: I've tried this shot before. Sat on the screening queue for a long while and ended up getting rejected for soft and quality - I uploaded at 1200 pixels the last time around. With a bit more experience, would this edit be any better? Trying at 1152 pixels.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/G-VEIL_05-1152_VirginAtlanticAirways_A346.jpg

2. On rotation: I tried another frame a month ago, and it got done for high in frame and heat haze. How does this one look? I don't think the haze is too bad.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/G-VEIL_04-1200_VirginAtlanticAirways_A346.jpg

3A. If the photo passes the cropping/motive test (assuming all else is OK), I'd rather go for this 3A.
I've seen some photos in the database which had the engine cropped off and I always wondered how to get around it. If I could use one example below to support my way of thinking. With my photo, I wanted to illustrate the Virgin Atlantic title/name, which by doing so, I suppose I could crop it tighter, if allowable.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/G-VEIL_07-1200_VirginAtlanticAirways_A346.jpg

Example:


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Photo © Todd Martin

3B. If the VS photo above fails the cropping/motive test, then I'd like to try this one.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/G-VEIL_08-1200_VirginAtlanticAirways_A346.jpg

Appreciate your input. Hope all is OK.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:29 pm

The heat haze is apparent on #2, but I am not sure if it is bad enough to warrant a rejection, that's Dana's department. Personally I'd go with 3B, it looks the best overall to me.
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 46):
1. Tail shot

Still a bit soft. 1024 would be your best bet.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 46):
2. On rotation:

Seems ok.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 46):
3A.

Crop should be ok, but haze is noticeable here.

Quoting henkita217 (Reply 46):
3B.

A bit better for quality.
 
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RE: Pre/Post Screening - Henkita217

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:03 pm

Thanks a lot Dana and DL747.

Just one that was missed from earlier post.

Would this EY be alright as is? I am concerned for haze.
Should the aircraft be slightly higher in frame, I chose to do so to illustrate the pair of horses and ladies, which caught the attention of the jump seat rider, who turned over his shoulder, placed his face in the window. Is it justifiable for such framing?

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/menanaandmika/A6-EHB_05-1200_EtihadAirways_A345.jpg

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