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Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:15 pm

Hi folks,

Third time this one has been done for soft now. First time was fair enough, but it's been further sharpened (including selectively) three times now and, on my screen at least, is beginning to look over-sharp.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...3.4922a6-emk_man_061012_kn_329.jpg

I still struggle to suss out exactly how sharp this website requires images. I'm convinced the requirements of late actually favour slightly over-sharp images as opposed to slightly soft.

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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:25 pm

The tip of the horizontal stabilizer looks a little soft but I can't see that little bit being enough for rejection. Maybe try another round and ask in the comments to screeners to give a personal message where soft? I don't think another layer of USM would cause it to be oversharpened. Nice shot though.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:32 pm

Looks to me like it could handle a bit more sharpening overall.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting chuck9941 (Reply 1):
The tip of the horizontal stabilizer looks a little soft

Are you serious? Has this place really become THAT pedantic?
I agree with JakTrax about oversharp images being favoured. I've seen quite a few myself recently that us mere mortals would have had rejected.
One of those was a wing view in the Hot Shots area about a week ago. It had a blatant oversharp flag on the engine, and oversharp trailing edge of the wing.

Who am I to comment though. I only have 3 shots on here.
 
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:08 pm

Sharpening looks fine in my opinion, but the aircraft is a bit low in the frame and also a bit too bright.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 4):
but the aircraft is a bit low in the frame and also a bit too bright.

It does look low in the frame to me too. And with regard to brightness, I've often found that high brightness can make images look softer than they otherwise would. Might be the case here, though like I said, I personally would sharpen it a bit more.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Interestingly a mix of opinions. The image as it is definitely looks too sharp on my screen, but if the site wants it sharper then who am I to argue?

I appreciate the other comments regarding brightness and centre, however do bear in mind that these opinions are based on personal preferences - neither of the two previous rejections were for over-exposed or centre.

Looking back at images of mine accepted a few years back, it's clear that the site's preferences for centre have changed somewhat. At one time I would have fully expected my Emirates image to be rejected based on how the aircraft is positioned in the frame; however these days I reckon half my images of old would suffer a centre rejection for being too high! It appears that there has been a slow realisation that aircraft look better too low in the frame than too high (probably because sky is traditionally more aesthetic than ground; and certainly more relevant to our subjects) - something with which I totally agree.

I still think there is some sort of 'rule' being relied upon for centring aircraft, irrespective of the tail height:fuselage length ratio. I hate seeing 380 images where the tail is practically off the top frame edge, while the fuselage sits awkwardly at centre frame.

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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
I still think there is some sort of 'rule' being relied upon for centring aircraft, irrespective of the tail height:fuselage length ratio. I hate seeing 380 images where the tail is practically off the top frame edge, while the fuselage sits awkwardly at centre frame.

Karl
That that you comment on there is precisely what we are trying to avoid. We are not looking for precision in centre, just for them to be about right, a good balance and if the fin is almost touching the top of the frame, there should not be a lot of space at the bottom either, be it tarmac or sky.
Imagine the frame split in half and the aircraft should be reasonably balanced above and below the centre line

As to your image, the centre is pretty much spot on.
I find it too bright and it would stand more sharpening too. We are not so pedantic as to be looking at a tiny bit more on the tailplane but I reckon that toned down a bit it will look sharper and the place that really shows it to me is the www.emirates below the main titles....that is decidedly soft.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting dendrobatid (Reply 7):
That that you comment on there is precisely what we are trying to avoid. We are not looking for precision in centre, just for them to be about right, a good balance and if the fin is almost touching the top of the frame, there should not be a lot of space at the bottom either, be it tarmac or sky.
Imagine the frame split in half and the aircraft should be reasonably balanced above and below the centre line

As to your image, the centre is pretty much spot on.

Couldn't agree more; but the content of this thread does suggest that people are continuing to follow the site's old preferences with regard to centre. I'm sure you'll agree that, generally, we've seen the preference change over the last few years - I for one am seeing more and more images lately in which the aircraft are centred according to my own personal preference (i.e. what everyone else may consider too low).

There are many people still following the window-line rule (or similar) - mainly those newer to aviation photography (say, the last five years or so) I have found - and I must say the A380 is a particularly bad offender if such rules are applied. As you say, no rules - just balance - but the height of the tail is for me always a factor when centring.

By the way, I've reduced the brightness slightly (did look a bit bright on my screen tonight for some reason) and applied a bit more sharpening.

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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 8):
but the content of this thread does suggest that people are continuing to follow the site's old preferences with regard to centre.

To clarify my own position: the aircraft looks low in the frame for my personal taste, and for how I center for A.net. If that happens to align with the "old preferences" of the site, so be it, but I rarely get centering rejections.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 8):
and I must say the A380 is a particularly bad offender if such rules are applied.

That I agree with. I often find A380 shots too high in the frame for my taste.
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:58 am

An old thread now but this was discussed at great length here

Mick

Centring Issues (by Dendrobatid May 29 2007 in Aviation Photography)
 
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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 9):
If that happens to align with the "old preferences" of the site, so be it, but I rarely get centering rejections

Me neither - which means that the margins for centring must be quite generous these days.

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RE: Post-screening - Soft (JakTrax)

Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
Me neither - which means that the margins for centring must be quite generous these days.

Which makes me happy. Nice to have some allowance for photographer preference.
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