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Trip Report: SIN-SYD SQ231

Tue Oct 31, 2000 12:17 pm

Singapore Airlines 0231
9V-SYE (Boeing B777-312)
Scheduled/Actual Dep: 0010/0037
Scheduled/Actual Arr: 1040/1042
Scheduled/Actual FT: 7.30/7.05

Beginning another escapade overseas, we arrived at Changi Terminal 2 at about 10.25pm the previous night via a airport limousine courtesy of Performance Motors (BMW). It was a BMW528iA, comfortable car. =) Anyway, the check-in queue for SQ231 was at Row 6 and it sure was long given all the night European flights depart about an hour later. We went to the Business Class check-in counter at Row 4 to check-in as my dad was PPS member and he was flying Business Class. We got assigned to Row 61, seats H and K. Fortunately, this was at the back of the 777-300 we were flying today and it was a row with only two adjoining seats. Following that, we went for a short coffee session at the T2 International Restaurant before entering the restricted area at about 11.30pm. Cleared immigration and went straight to gate E10. The boarding had already started as people were already entering the aircraft. Could not really see it from the Terminal as it was very dark outside. There was a Megatop parked right next to us departing as SQ346 to Zurich. We went to our seats at 61H/K and found the cabin to be very spacious and the seats extremely comfortable. My own policy for night flights is TO SLEEP IMMEDIATELY in flight hehe =). They came round with the hot towels to refresh ourselves and distributed the souvenirs. Me and my sis got a pouch each. At about 12mn, SQ346 pushed back and we were left on the tarmac. They were still loading baggages then and our captain came over the PA and informed us that he would be trying to get clearance immediately but forewarned of delays as there were a lot of other flights leaving. He said our estimated flight time this evening was about 7 hours and barring any delays, we should get to Sydney at about 10.30 in the morning (7.30 in Singapore).

We pushed back at about 12.10am as scheduled and at about 12.17am, the engines started and the foul smelling kerosene penetrated into the cabin. We taxied VERY slowly to Runway 20L and had to stop a couple of times as there were many 747s and A340s taking off to their european destinations, some of which included SIA, British Airways and possibly Qantas. At about 12.30am, we made a small turn and I thought we were about to take off but we held for a little while as another SIA Megatop touched on the tarmac as SQ11 from Los Angeles. Then at 12.35am, the engines were throttled up and we lifted off about 12.37am. It was a very steep climb as evidenced by the sudden up-pitch we experienced. If I'm not mistaken, the pitch was about 40-45 deg to the ground. We climbed extremely fast and in about 25-30 minutes, we reached cruising altitude of 11 300m. Can anyone enlighten on how many feet this is? We were initially cruising at around 650-750kmh but soon increased to 940-970kmh. We had a slight tailwind and this help overcome our delay. Our ETA according to Channel 21 was about 10.35am. However, they only specified there as in 6 hours 55 minutes and not the actual time. About 45 minutes to an hour into the flight, light refreshments were served. It was a cold refreshment with some tuna salad and bread roll. They also provided coffee and tea should we need them. After a satisfying meal, I fell asleep for almost the remaining of the flight until the FA awoke me for breakfast. By the way, the FAs were not utterly offensive when they wake people up as someone once pointed out in this forum. They had the wonderful fried noodles and prawn once again. But I witnessed that some other pax had more 'western-styled' breakfast ie. with bread and bacon I think. We descended at about 10.10am and once below the cloud layer (which was very turbulent), we passed by the Sydney Harbour Bridge although it was not very much in view. The landing gear was lowered at about 10.35am and we were really descending slowly, hardly noticeable and we were already slowing down to such an extent that we were slightly pitched up. Flaps were fully extended by about 10.40am and we experienced a slight vibration just before touching down, possibly due to the fact we had to turn back slightly after going out of course for a moment. The touchdown couldn't be felt but it's aftereffects could with the powerful reverse thrust of the Trent 892 engine and the spoilers. We turned off the runway and headed toward Gate 55. The crew had been very helpful and attentive especially when my sis experienced pressure-related nosebleed during the approach to Sydney. They offered candy and an FA actually moved me up to Biz class while she sat with my sis during the landing. My sis said she was attentive throughout the short 20-25 minutes of the flight she sat with her and tried her very best to reassure her that the plane would land safely because it was not very smooth during the approach due to CAT (??).

The excellent crew on this flight then bidded us farewell. We disembarked and headed for Park Hyatt, Sydney.
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RE: Trip Report: SIN-SYD SQ231

Tue Oct 31, 2000 2:37 pm


You must be quite mistaken if you thought your 773 pitched up to 40-45 nose up. Given that the aircraft is so long and you were sitting in the back, you may well have been given that impression. (so we'll forgive you   I'll say that it was more likely to be 15-18° nose up. 40-45 is next to impossible, and certainly impossble during the rotation (with a fuselage as long as the 773, no hope in hell).

11300m is about FL370 (37,000ft).

You mentioned that SQ gave you a gift, a "pouch". What was this pouch? It wasn't the small plastic pouch that they call an amenities kit, was it?

AFAIK, SYD only has a CAT1 ILS (I may be wrong, we don't have CAT III in Australia). Don't forget, the pilots may well be flying the approach by hand, just with the ILS as a reference (I don't know the cloud base), but seeing the weather wasn't fantastic it would be highly likely that the plane be on a CAT 1 ILS, until a few hundred feet AGL, where the PIC would take control. No autopilot can compensate for bad weather, an aircraft in a landing configuration only exacerbates that.

Looks like you had fun, I'll be flying SQ in a months time (MEL-SIN).


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RE: Trip Report: SIN-SYD SQ231

Tue Oct 31, 2000 3:11 pm

It's the pouch which kids get =), with the chess set and other stuff inside.

Ermm...about the climb angle, well, you may be right. It was a VERY steep climb.
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RE: Climb Angle - Don't Worry

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:33 pm

It's a very common mistake for many to over exaggerate the pitch and bank angles.

Over at, we had a guy who claimed that he was in a 737 that climbed out at 60°. It's simply impossible.

In an aircraft such as the 773, you can be forgiven, especially as it is very long, and you were in the back.

Here are some typical pitch angles:

A320 - 17°
A330 - 15°
A340 - 13°
B737 - 17-18°
B747 - 13°
B767 - 15-20°

These are "typical" angles. Angles for the smaller craft (up to 767) can certainly get up to 20°. No more than 25° (really pushing it, 22° is a more realstic full on climb). At those angles, there is simply too much drag, further compounded by highlift devices (eg, flap & slat).

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