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2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 7:39 am

Why do airlines configure planes like the MD10 in a 2-5-2 arrangement in coach, when 3-3-3 would be much more comfortable? I once rode in the middle of that 5 (and had two peple on either side once) and it SUCKED!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 9:13 am

I recently flew Korean Air on the 777 and there configuration was 2-5-2. I loved it!!
I guess people all have different opinions.

By the way it hink you meant the MD11!

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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 9:53 am

Yeah, MD11 would work here, tho I was thinking of the DC 10. Thanks...but anyway, if you're in one of the outer "2" sets of seats, that'd be great, but it just seems to me that the people in the middle get kind of a raw deal, especially if they are in the middle of a cabin in this sea of heads, having to climb over sleeping bodies every time they want to use the lav, etc. But, as you say, different strokes for different folks!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 10:52 am

If you think about it, with a 3-3-3 arrangement, there would be TWO sets of people who would have to climb over two others to get to an aisle, whereas with 2-5-2 there is only one set of people who have to do that, and who can go to EITHER aisle. The other arrangement that would work is what they originally used on the B747 when it first entered service: 3-4-2
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 2:32 pm

2-5-2 is terrible! And that seat configuration is also a reason why I wouldn't fly with NW DC 10 again. I hope they won't have a configuration of 3-3-3 in their new A 330's!

CNS
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 6:13 pm

It also depends on Seat pitch. Having 35", on Korean Air and seating in the middle seat for 12.50mins was no problem for me!! I didn't even wake up any passengers when i was getting out to go to the Lav.
But the thing i must moan about is that it gets very hot sitting in the middle seat.

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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 08, 2001 10:32 pm

The seat arrangement in most international full-priced scheduled carriers, like AC, etc. is 2-4-2 in the A330. While charter operators tend to go 3-3-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 09, 2001 3:31 pm

NW DC10s are comfortable aircraft and I have even sat in the middle of the middle seat.

Having said that you are in for a much more enjoyable flight on the "2" side.

Don't let 2-5-2 stop you from flying the airline...just get to the airport a little earlier or reserve that "2"side seat ahead of time.

I am sure the NW A330-300s will have 2-4-2 seating and that will make them one of the most comfortable wide bodies around.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 09, 2001 9:09 pm

I liked to fly with the NW 744 very much, but the DC 10 was just terrible...
AMS-DTW I flew with 744...it was such a nice flight...but back DTW-AMS....terrible (DC10)!!!
I have reserved window seats 9 month before my flight...but NW gave us (3 persons) middle seats.... in the DC 10...WHY??
last year I flew with MH FRA-KUL-SYD//CNS-DRW-KUL-FRA...and we have reserved the seats 6 month before the flight...and we got the seats...and why???....because MH is much better organized...that's the only reason...
I will fly with NW again when they have their new A333...or I will only book flights on which they fly 747-200 or 744....

CNS
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:01 am

2-5-2 seating is only terrible if you are stuck in the middle seats of the middle section, otherwise 2-5-2 is fine. If you are flying alone and want a window seat, you only have one person between you and the aisle compared to 2 people in 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 or even 3-3 for that matter.

If you are flying with someone, 2-5-2 or 2-4-2 is still better because no one else is in your row with you. When I travel with my family, 3-3 or 3-4-3 is still not a good option because there are 4 of us. You either all have to sit in the middle section, or have someone across the aisle. With 2-5-2, 2-4-2, or 2-3, you can have 2 in one row, and the other 2 behind. 2 window seats and 2 aisle seats, perfect.

I have only been stuck in the middle seat once, and that was on a DL L1011 between MIA and ATL a few years ago.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 10, 2001 3:52 am

I would have to say 3-3-3 would be better. I would really hate to get the middle seat in the 2-5-2. I think the 767's 2-3-2 is the most comfortable in the air. The 747's 3-4-3 isnt that bad, mind you it was a bit annoying being at the window seat.
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 10, 2001 4:24 am

Although it sounds logical (3-3-3 stucks up two people with the problem of climbing over 2 pax to get to the lav) I´d still deeply prefer a 3-4-3 or 3-3-3 configuration; don't forget these two people in the last cases are being "compensated" by the pleasure of a window seat. I always try to get a window seat, and I can because I only need to .... walk... once on a 6+ hours flight. Otherwise I wouldn't opt for one, because I wouldn't like to be a bore for the other pax. Pax who insist on getting a window and then get up every hour disgust me.
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 10, 2001 5:15 am

The flight has too be over 80% full before people HAVE to be sitting in the center seat. With lighter loads the 5 seats gives families a little more space and couples and singles can sit out on the 2 side.

with 3-3-3 you start putting people in the middle seat with much lighter loads and people at the windows are doing the double climb over.

2-5-2 at NW will be gone soon in favor of 2-4-2 which is one of the best configurations around.

By the way, you can only reserve seats with NW 3 months in advance (90days) I have tried when I book flight very early in advance and they put in a request but you should always call and check your seats. With NW I call 90 days prior and get the seats and with all airlines I call closer to the flight (about 1 week out)to check my seats are still reserved and to see if there are any better seats.

MY ADVICE:

Call and reserve the best seats you can get on the phone in advance (these won't always be great seats but you will at least be sure you are together)

then,

Get to the airport early and request the exact
type of seat you want (if you want an exit row window
just simply ask "may I please have an exit row window seat). I sometimes even take a look at the seat maps from the websites and make a list of seats I would want and keep it out when I check in.

The key is getting to the airport early so you can checkin before most other people for your flight. Your chances of better seats are much higher and families travelling together have a much better chance of all sitting on one row.

Sorry for that little tangent......

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE A330 WITH 2-4-2 IN THE MAIN CABIN....IT WILL BE SOOOOOO MUCH NICER THAN 2-5-2 OR 3-3-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:42 pm

I prefer the 3-3-3, because you have a better chance of being closer to the window, plus you don't get the dead middle climbing over people. I think the 767s 2-3-2 is really comfortable, and the 3-4-3 on the 747 and some 777s is pretty nice.

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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2001 2:31 pm

When my dad went to make the reservations for my Delta flights this summer (leave June 16, return July 14), I told him to ask the travel agent to book us on window seats just behind the wing, that way I can see the rudders go up and down, I think thats cool. Do you also have to ask for these seats at the airport or are they already yours once the travel agent books them?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:12 am

DeltaRNOmd-80 don't you mean the flaps, ailerons and spoilers  Smile

On the topis, i prefere 2-5-2 as there is only one person in each row that has the "double excuse-me" seat. If the seating is 3-3-3, there are two people, the ones next to the window that have a "double excuse-me" seat. Also the middle seat on the 2-5-2 gets filled up when the flight gets full. So I would have to go with the 2-5-2.
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2001 5:34 am

Whatever they are  Smile
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:57 am

As mentioned above, 2-4-3 would be the best but only a few do it. People flying just two can have privacy, parties of three can have privacy, 4 can sit in the middle, for five, two can have a side and the other 3 can have the other side, six could have two rows of the three side etc..... It makes the most sense.

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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:16 am

RE: 2-4-3

Who uses this configuration, and on what type? I remember SR had this configuration on its MD11's I think?

Anyone?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:45 am

i was just on a united 777 that was 2-5-2 and although i was occupied by the ptv and window, i would probably rather have a 3-3-3 arrangement on overnight flights. the only reason is that when the cabin is not jam backed, it is easier to sleep on three seats rather than two!
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue Apr 17, 2001 7:52 pm

Same here
I went on an EVA Air MD-11 and they had 2-5-2, even though I got an aisle both times, i really hated it.

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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2001 3:34 pm

I like the B744 configuration the best (3-4-3)!

Going to NRT from LAX on SIA I got stuck with the window seat! I don't think I ever gone 10 hours with going to the bathroom once! It got a little cramped after hour 6.

My return trip (TPE to LAX (we went from NRT to TPE)), me and my dad shared the middle row! Yep, we both got 2 seats! No being cramped here! A little taste of first class in economy! You could push back the armrest and lay down. The one complaint was that the very next day they would start a new round of movies (We traveled Dec. 31)! I had to watch the same ones that I saw on my NRT-LAX flight.

Well, just something interesting, I got home with 3 seconds left in the year!  Smile
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2001 4:10 pm

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Air Tahiti Nui operate it's 340 in a 2-2-2-2 config. in coach??
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 23, 2001 4:15 am

Those must be pretty narrow seats and pretty narrow aisles to get 2-2-2-2.

 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 9:59 pm

Air Tahiti Nui has their seats in a 2-2/2-2 configuration in coach, while still maintaining two aisles. The A340 is set up with 4 sets of two seat pods, with each person getting their own armrest, which is quite comfortable.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:49 am

Although 3.3.3 has the emotional, psychological
"appearance" of a less crowded cabin, logic dictates that 2.5.2 is clearly preferable from a passenger point of view:
-only one seat (E) 2 seats away from an aisle, plus there is a choice of aisles
-Highly desirable window seats are only 1 seat away from the aisle
-Couples of 2 can be seated together without a third person bothering them
Of course, the outer seats are more desirable than the center section, but this allows the airline to provide a higher level of service during lower load factors, reward those who reserve early, and still accomodate everyone when the plane is full.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Tue May 01, 2001 7:42 am

If the airline has an intelligent seat allocation program, the middle seats of a 2-5-2 will be the last to be allocated except where families of three or more are concerned. Therefore, if the flight isn't quite full the middle row will be mostly free. Personally I'd rather they bump the fares up a bit and make it 2-2-2-2 with minimum 34" seat pitch!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Mon May 07, 2001 9:59 am

3-4-2 is what swissair has on their MD-11's. I like this set up. Hey anyone ever been in a tower air plane. didn't they do a 2-6-2 or was it 3-4-3?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Wed May 09, 2001 9:20 am

I really can't say the one I prefer, because I have never flown on a 3-3-3 or a 2-4-3. I really don't mind the 2-5-2, and I have never been "stuck" in the center seat. However one more thing to thing to think about:
3-3-3 in economy lines up much better with the 2-2-2 in first class. I remember someone saying that is one of the main reasons why DL is changing it's 777s to 3-3-3 instead of 2-5-2.

I agree with the others that the 767 is ideal, I love the 2-3-2. Very uncrowded and plenty of chance for an isle or window.
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RE: 2-5-2 V. 3-3-3? Why?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:06 am

All A34X have 2-2/2-2.

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