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NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 5:20 am

May 25

Northwest 961
Orlando - Memphis
Boeing 727-200
Seat: 2A
Scheduled Departure Time: 15:15
Actual Departure Time: 15:10
Scheduled Arrival Time: 16:19
Actual Arrival Time: 16:05


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Check In: My roommate (RL757PVD) dropped me off at MCO roughly at 1:20pm. Check in was smooth, I was showed to the economy counter as they were the only ones free. The guy tagged my bags all the way to Kuwait and told me they would have to x-ray my bags since I was flying Internationally. That went quick as did the security area. I was at the gate around 1:50. Sat there and made a few phone calls. I had just stepped off a NW 727 two days ago (see phatfarmlines TPA-DAL-TPA report comming soon) and was not looking forward to another flight in these but atleast it was First Class this time round.

Boarding: Boarding was announced around 2:50 and as I headed over I realized I had a "S" on my boarding pass. For those of you who don't know what this means, it states that I have to be searched at the gate. I headed straight over to the search area and they were surprised that I knew this stuff. "You must travel a lot huh?" "Oh boy you have no idea," was my response. They did the normal patting me down and spreading my arms out and so on forth. Once that was done I boarded the 727 and it was packed in F class, my seat was the only one left. I was greeted by a happy steward who welcomed me on board.


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Flight: We pushed back around 3:10, 5 minutes early which was good sign since I had a 40 minute connection in MEM. The pilot welcomed us aboard and gave us the entire flight path we would be flying with a flying time of 1 hour and 33 minutes. Take off was the usual, take most of the runway and rocket out. Service commenced later which consisted of a drink and a choice of peanuts or pretzels. I had the pretzels which I had had 2 days ago in coach flying MEM-TPA. This time I got the whole can! Something that I never get in Northwest coach. The flight passed by and I looked out the window for the rest of the flight. We began our decent at 3:50 local time and touched down at 4:10, 10 minutes early. As we taxied to our gate I saw the beautiful KLM MD-11, a sight for sore eyes after flying US airlines for so long.

Transit & Boarding: Got off at B15 and ran straight to the board to see the gate of the KLM flight. B48. Ok started the long walk, Memphis, moving walkways might be a good idea!!! Anyway got the gate where they had already started boarding. I walked over and the lady took one look at my ticket and said, "Honey you still got a long way to go. Get onboard and take a nice nap before take off." "Thanks so much, believe me I will." was my response. At this point I have to say, I am not a NW fan but this lady was really friendly and may be my first good experience with NW agents. I boarded through the first door to walk into the spacious front cabin filled with 12 seats, 2 rows. As I sat down I was greeted by name. "Mr. Tamboowala what would you like to drink?" I had a glass of water and sat back. The guy next to me showed up and turned out to be the guy who was sitting next to me on the last leg. He was an Indian as well and was on his way to Dubai. Wow I thought, there are a few more people like me.

KLM 626
Memphis - Amsterdam
McDonnell Douglas MD 11 (PH-KCE)
Seat: 2A
Scheduled Departure Time: 17:00
Actual Departure Time: 16:55
Scheduled Arrival Time: 8:40
Actual Arrival Time: 8:15


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The Flight: At this point I would explain what the seat is like except there is a fantastic picture for you to look at. All I can add is that the PTV has 12 channels and was full of entertainment.


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Amenity kits were handed out as were headphones and menu's. We pushed back 5 minutes early and boy did it fell good when the engines started. I have not flown an MD-11 since 1998 and that was the ill fated HB-IWF two weeks prior to its sad demise over Halifax. Safety video was shown and the crew took their seats. The cabin welcomed us in his thick Dutch/British accent and told us the flying time would be 8 hours and 4 minutes with an expected arrival time of 8:10. We taxied to the runway and waited for a Mesaba Saab 340 and a Northwest DC-9 to take off. Engines roared and we were on our way using most of the runway. We turned south and 5 minutes later turned west and eventually north. We headed up to Massachusetts and to Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland and England before hitting The Netherlands. 15 minutes after take off drink service commenced with the 4-cabin crew manning these 12 seats with a hot towel. I had a coke with my bowl of mixed nuts which consisted of salted peanuts, almonds and cashews. Boy was I ever hungry and the guy next to me requested for a second bowl, which was met with a smile. The menu was as follows:

SPANISH FOOD & WINE FESTIVAL

APPETISER:

Smoked peppered tenderloin
With asparagus, carrots, green beans and palm hearts marinated in a light vinaigrette and served with horseradish sauce
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MAIN COURSE

Beef Tenderloin
With sun dried tomato crust served with potato gratin

OR

Chicken with horseradish potatoes
Roasted chicken breast with horseradish potato puree, haricots verts and red pepper, served in port wine sauce

OR

Crab Ravioli
Crab ravioli served with a creamy basil and Parmesan cheese sauce and asparagus.
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Dessert

We invite you to select your choice of tart, cheese or fresh fruit from our desert trolley

The smoked tenderloin was fantastic with a light horseradish sauce, smoked to perfection. For the main course I had a hard time selecting from the three but decided on the Beef tenderloin and it did not disappoint me one bit, it was wonderful. For desert I had a cheese cake, nice to know some airlines are not going with the conventional ice cream sunday. This concluded one of the best meals I have ever had in the sky.

During the meal service I was watching the comedy channel which consisted of the following shows; Just Shoot Me, Will & Grace, Frasier, and Murphy Brown. Once that was over I watched "Not Another Teen Movie." It was ok, I wasn't expecting much anyway. I then reclined my seat all the way, unwrapped the blanket and with the pillow behind my head; fell into a snooze. The reason I say snooze is because I never sleep straight through on planes. I kept waking up every 30 minutes staring at the sunset/sunrise. The sun never set on this flight, there was a thin orange line across the horizon for most of the flight. During this bottles of water were put on the armrests with a plastic cup. Over the Ocean between Iceland and Ireland the lights were turned on and hot towels were distributed. Breakfast consisted of the following:

For Breakfast we are pleased to offer you a fresh fruit salad, assorted hot rolls and your choice of either cereals or a hot breakfast dish.
Today's hot breakfast dish: Farmhouse torte served with Parmesan cheese and sausage patty.

Wow, hot breakfast, can't remember the last time I had one of these across the Atlantic. I opted for the hot breakfast and it was good. The torte and sausage was great if not a bit dry but the fruits were moist and fresh and the bread piping hot. Once that was completed we were nearing the English Channel and I was listening to the "hitline," KLM's rock/pop music channel, I liked it quite a bit. Then the crew came round with the Delft Blue houses full of alcohol. We began our decent soon after and a video of Schipol was shown at this point.

Arrival and Transit: We touched down 25 minutes early to a very busy AMS. One of the smoothest touchdowns I have ever experienced. We taxied to gate F9 and I was off the plane at 8:30. Walked straight to the over filled lounge between pier E & F. I managed to grab a table by myself and got a cappuccino. I sat there and I swear pier E was full of nothing but Northwest aircraft. 4 DC-10's, and 3 747-400's. Soon after a China Airlines 744 came and parked at gate F2, the gate closest to the lounge. I never noticed but they really do have a nice color scheme. After that a Eva Air 744 came and parked next to a NW 744. Wow this was great, I hardly ever see 747's in the US these days.

At around 11:00 I decided to take a walk so I dropped my bag off at the KLM lounge baggage hold and went down and walked all the way to Pier G with all the international airlines. I saw a

Continental 762 to EWR
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USAirways 762 to PIT
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I went back to the lounge at 12:00 and got some hot snacks. KLM you need to create free internet connection in your lounge. They wanted me to pay E0.20 every minute I used the net. Improve this fast! The lounge was very much empty now with all the NW flights gone. A NW 742 arrived around 12:30 and parked at E3. Around 15:20 I started to walk down to E4.

May 26

KLM 457
Amsterdam - Kuwait
Boeing 767-300 (PH-BZA)
Scheduled Departure Time: 16:15
Actual Departure Time: 16:10
Scheduled Arrival Time: 23:25
Actual Arrival time: 23:15


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Boarding: When I got to the gate they had already began boarding and they checked my passport to make sure I had the correct paper work and boarded the plane. I was greeted by a smiling stewardess. I sat down in the seat. I immediately noticed the difference. The legroom is 55 instead of 66, the seats were the older style and certainly looked worn out.


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"Ladies and gentlemen, please take the seat that is assigned to you on your boarding pass. Please keep rows 14 to 28 empty due to weight and balance restrictions. Thank you." This is the first time I have ever encountered something of this nature. Can anyone tell me why this is? What is the reason? Amenity kits were handed out along with headphones and menu's. We pushed back 5 minutes early and were off the ground in another 5 minutes. Our flying time today was 6 hours and 5 minutes.

Flight: Straight after take off we hit turbulence due to the storms that were forming around AMS. Soon after the seatbelt sign was turned off and the announcement was given for passengers to move anywhere they wanted now. The usual hot towel with drinks and nuts came round. The menu was as follows:

SPANISH FOOD & WINE FESTIVAL

APPETISER:

Ensalada de Casa
Salad of tuna tartar, vegetable tortilla, Feta, tomato and olive served with tomato salsa and abergine dip
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MAIN COURSES:

Hack with ratatouille
Poached hake fillet with a creamy Chardonnay sauce served with rataouille and baby potatoes

OR

Roasted rabbit with tomato sauce
Roasted rabbit with tomato sauce served with orzo and roasted aubergine garnished with tomato and garlic

OR

Chicken tarragon
Roasted chicken fillet with tarragon glaze served with Parmesan cheese potato cake, spinach, glazed onions and sun dried tomatoes

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Dessert

We invite you to select your choice of tart, cheese or fresh fruit from our desert trolley

I tuna was ok, I'm not a fish fan. The chicken was good, though I thought the food out of MEM was better. The desert was a chocolate mousse cake. That was fantastic, KLM is good at this. During the meal I watched the comedy channel which for "outbound from AMS" showed "That 70's Show, Becker, Friends, and Mad About You. Once that was done I decided on putting the rock/pop channel on, which by the way is different as well for outbound. As I did this a bottle of water was put on my armrest with a plastic cup. Put my seat back and decided on a "power nap." After about 1 1/2 hour of that I got up and stood by the door near the galley and had a chat with a stewardess. I told her that this was my 9th flight this week and she became very intrigued. I told her I live in Daytona Beach and how I go to a aviation university. She told me about all her travels all over the world and how her favorite place was India (where I am from). We had a good 1 1/2 hour chat before her supervisor came over and said its time for the snack. I went back and she came over to me for my drink first. Had a coke and was given the choice of a cold or hot snack:

LIGHT HOT SNACK

Shortly before arrival we will be serving a light snack with a choice of vegetarian or non-vegetarian club sandwich and a hot Cheese puff pastry.

I opted for the hot and I was offered the sandwich as well but I declined still being full from lunch. The puff pastry was hot and mouth watering. Soon after the trays were collected and the Delft Blue houses were handed out, not full of alcohol. For those of you who do not know, Kuwait is a dry country as are most Middle Eastern countries and KLM gives out empty one on all their Middle Eastern flights. Decent began at 22:30.

Arrival: We touched down at 23:15, early and I was the first one off the aircraft after thanking the crew for a wonderful flight. I proceeded for the long walk to the immigration and went to the visa counter where I had to wait 10 minutes with a line of 20 people before someone actually showed up. Our names were called and we collected our visas and headed for baggage claim through passport control. One of my bags was out on the side. When I picked it up I realized, the guy in Orlando had not given me a "PRIORITY TAG." Oh well too late to do anything about that now. The second bag came 10 minutes later with a whole jumble of Northwest connection bags. I went straight out and my parents were there to meet me.

Verdict:

I found the Northwest flight to be lacking in many respects but I suppose I should be used to it by now. I have no idea why I keep coming back, maybe its because I am a silver WP member but seriously. Northwest's new management has its work cut out for it. Get those old planes out, add more service such as a sandwich or something for F class on these hops and please just give the whole can to the coach passengers, CO, AA, and US do this. I am flying on August 3rd on the Amsterdam - Miami DC-10 flight. Northwest, this is a second chance I am giving you, please don't disappoint me the way you did with AMS-DTW in January!

KLM on the other hand was everything I expected and more. The food and the seats were great as was the service. Second to none. This must be the best Trans Atlantic flight I have ever had. KLM has moved on my list to number 3, 1 & 2 being Cathay Pacific and Swissair respectively. I will continue to use KLM for my travels as much as possible. I only wish the lounge is improved a slight bit in AMS. 1 major complaint I have is that KLM does not fly anywhere on the East coast that is convenient for me. NW serves all the flights. MEM requires a long wait and I may end up waiting if I decide never to fly NW on long haul again. I have to mention that KLM's crews are one of the friendliest I have ever met and I would like to compliment them on that. After flying so many US airlines it was nice to experience the professionalism and courtesy that I have come to expect from International carriers. Never once did I feel like a bother to the crew and the service was neither mechanical nor did the crew have robotic smiles.

Northwest you need to learn a few things from your partners KLM & Continental!!!

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 7:39 am

Now this is what i call a trip report! Glad you enjoyed KLM, i flew with them between AMS and KIL (Kilamanjaro, Tanzania) and then AMS-JFK. They have the first/buisness class of any airline i've flown and the best international coach too. No whole can back there though  Sad. The load balance annoucment you heard was weird, when i fly AA Saab 340's i hear that sometimes.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 10:19 am

No, you need to learn SR 103. Many airlines in the U.S. are the same way. What do you expect in the middle afternoon between meal times? Especially for only 1:30 flight. About the old planes: Northwest has old planes so they dont have to have every single one on lease like Continental, who has less than a $1 billion. Pay Northwest the ultimate compliment: Dont come back.
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 12:13 pm

NW D9S, easy, easy. I'm sure SR 103 didn't mean any harm. I'm pretty sure it was just his way of differentiating KLM from Northwest since he flew them one after the other. We all love our airlines so don't take it too personally, man. It's all good. He obviously likes NW enough to keep flying them.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 12:31 pm

Hey great trip report.
Did summer A already finish?
That's one short semester.
Chepos
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 8:43 pm

CMK10: Thanks for the compliment. KLM is definitely one of the best.

NW D9S: Sorry you took offensive to my opinion on NW. Maybe I was a bit too harsh on NW! They are by far not the worst carrier I have ever flown. They are pretty decent when compared to many others. I may opt for NW over other airlines given the choice, but when compared with KLM and CO these partner airlines are different. I really do like NW and will continue to fly them, because if I pay them the "ultimate compliment," well I won't go there. Let me just say that I have defended NW countless times to my friends and family. I do not believe they deserve the name "Northworst!"

Trickijedi: Thanks for defending me. You are right. All I was doing was comparing KLM and NW. I do like them enough to be nearing gold status on WP and am actually looking forward to my AMS-MIA flight.

Chepos: How’s PR? Actually Summer A has not ended. It ends on June 20th or so, less than a month. I was not doing Summer A, I had other obligations in Daytona and elsewhere.


Since we are on this, the domestic NW flights always have great crew. Yet everybody who flies across the Atlantic, me included, have problems with the crew. Only on the Atlantic runs, they seem to have an "attitude." May I ask if anyone else has experienced this? I know quite a few people have and they say this was the only major let down NW has on these Atlantic runs.

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 9:11 pm

SR103,

I always wonder why do people get offended when the truth about Northwest is thorougly written. Perhaps the truth hurts? Makes you wonder what the individual's perception of "customer service" is?

I don't think you were too harsh about NWA. In fact, you didn't describe the airline in detail until before you ended your report! You were actually more kind in your words about the airline than I was in my previous NWA trip reports! I think you actually complimented them a bit - which the poor individual failed to realise and chose to focus on the negative comments.

Cheers
Ryan

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu May 30, 2002 10:06 pm

Nice report SR103. Glad you enjoyed KLM. How was Kuwait airport? was it busy?

NWD9S, SR103 is allowed to give his opinions, and I for one agree with him. NW needs to improve, but that's my opinion to which I am entitled to. You have no right to tell SR103 or anyone else for that matter, not to fly with NW.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri May 31, 2002 7:23 am

yay.. i got credit for the dropoff ( seinfeld episode)... so when do i pick you up again? and make sure that trip report isnt longer than the car ride home!! I dont see how you can write so detailed, but its all good. Meanwhile i ahve comandeered your room for the rest of the summer.

Rick
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri May 31, 2002 8:22 am

I flew NW back in March in Coach and I got the full can. I dunno what you're talking about with that.
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri May 31, 2002 2:17 pm

I often fly Northwest, and I love them very much. The few time I recived sub-par service I was appologized to, and given miles for the inconvenience. Now, I have recived full cans of pop on flights in coach, in fact, the last time I flew them MSP-MDW I recieved TWO cans! Now, the reason they didn't give you a full can was because yuo were flying FROM MCO to MEM, Orlando is not a NW hub, so the plane didn't have a chance to be restocked there,most often the case. They probably had to skimp a little to ensure that everyone got some. They probably simply couldn't be restocked. If your flying from a hub, the catering company hired by the airline has a chance to resupply the plane. So theres a possible reason. Northwest is FAR better than they used to be.
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri May 31, 2002 7:12 pm

If NW is far better than what it used to be... I dare not imagine what it was like in the past! Hehehe... sorry, could not resist - don't bite me!  Smile
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri May 31, 2002 8:25 pm

Ryanair!!!,
I wonder as well sometimes. We make fun of people who act like NW D9S. I thought of a few words I could say to him, but I won't go there. I'll just say that I do not overreact and insult members if they share their opinion on Cathay Pacific or Swissair.

Marco,
Thanx for the compliment. Kuwait was not busy at all. We landed and the only other plane I saw was a Kuwait Airways A340 at a jetway. I presume it was departing or had arrived much earlier since there was not body at immigration. Like I said, a bunch of us waited at the visa counter since there was nobody there. Our flight was only 50% full so it wasn't busy at all. Baggage claim was the same, we were the only flight there. When I leave on August 3rd it should be a different story as I know my parents are flying Lufthansa which leaves 30 minutes after my flight and I am sure there are the usual Air India and KU flights.

RLPVD757,
Ur fine as long as U don't break anything, Rick!

Tekelbery,
Let me put it this way, I have never had a full can on a NW flight. I have done 3 coach and 2 First Class flights in the past 6 months. Maybe its just my luck. Nice to know that they actually do, I'll look for it next time.

DTW/ORD Fan!,
Thanks for the explanation. Your idea is very logical and I can understand that Northwest may actually do this. The question is, I have had full cans on other US airlines and those flights were not between hubs. I was only comparing. As far as them being better than they used to be, no doubt. I have heard horror stories from what they were like. My brother used to fly them and switched to AA a couple of years ago, since he got tired of giving them second chances. I on the other hand do not intend to give up my WP elite status any time soon. I have endured too many flights to do so.

Ryanair!!!,
Nice one! I really do recommend though you fly some other US airlines such as CO, UA, or US to give you an idea of what is possible. NW is trying, but not fast enough! Read one of my previous trip reports on Delta. I might actually have to rate NW experience higher than my DL experience!

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:45 pm

SR 103,

You'd be surprised... my numerous trips to the US, I have flown AA and America West, other that NWA. I didn't expect much out of the other 2 airlines but I ended up being pleasantly surprised.

As for NWA, I didn't expect much out of them either and I am glad I didn't. What made it worse was that my trip wasn't a domestic one like the previous 2 airlines and I was stuck in that aluminium tube for over 20 hours, enduring non-existent service in a cramped condition, claustrophobia notwithstanding, it wasn't my idea of a pleasant journey.

Thus, I got flamed for my report when I wrote a stinker about the airline. I touch on the personal presentation of the NWA cabin crew (pimples w/o makeup... blah blah blah...) and I admitted I went too far...

Still many Americans think that Asians live in a fantasy world of service at a raise of an eyebrow, FAs that actually smile, sophisticated IFE gizmos and the works. Someone even suggested that we Singaporeans should get our heads out of our asses as see the real deal! Another one even went further to say we should retreat into our fantasy world of SQ and CX... What I was trying to say was that it is not a fantasy, it there! Its real!

Well... being a new member of A.net, I was probably not prepared for the reaction i got. But I still stand firm in my believe that one day, US carriers will realise that service with a smile actually comes with custmer service. I am always glad to read about a good report on a US carrier, because I believe it can happen. Size of the airline is not an excuse for a reduce in service... it should instead be expanded relatively.

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Sat Jun 01, 2002 6:38 pm

SR103,
Glad you enjoyed KL!!!Now there're much negative opinions about them Sad If you liked the transatlantic flight from KL you should try SQ!!!They fly AMS-EWR and AMS-ORD. Personally, I like NWA not that much. I prefer AA when I fly in the US but that's personally like I said.
The picture of the business class cabin was not from a MD-11 but from a 747!Never mind......
Regards,
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Sun Jun 02, 2002 5:50 am

Ryanair!!!,

I know exactly wheat U mean. I used to live in Asia and Europe and got spoilt. I live in the US now and it is a whole nother flying! I have come to the realization that I can not board CX, MH, or KL style flight there, but I would expect something on the lines of UA, AA, and CO when flying domestically on NW. They are thier competitors and operate in virtually the same market. If they can do why can't NW. The NW lovers love to argue with us but they always fail to realize we compare them to other US airlines and not International ones. Sigh... but these people just see a negative comment about NW and lash out like we are the worst huamn beings out there. I guess we just have to watch what we say because of these "touchy" and "sensitive" people.

Like I say, as long as we don't act like them, we are fine!

Iloveek,

I have heard negative comments about KL and I only started flying them this January so I haven't had time follow on this. As far as I know, there are only good comments about them from everybody in the US.

Firstly the picture. I realize it was a 744 but there were none of the MD-11. Besides it is the exact same seat, that was the point I was trying to get across anyway. Thanks for clearing it up though.

Regarding SQ. As I said to Ryanair!!! above I have lived in Asia and Europe and have had my fair share of great flights. I have actually flown SQ AMS-JFK, part of my MNL-SIN-AMS-JFK flight back in 1994. When I lived in FRA I did a FRA-JFK-FRA flight with them and I have since vowed never to take them unless they are the cheapest or I have no ther alternative. FRA-JFK was fantastic, JFK-FRA was one of the worst flights ever. I have found their crew to be the decline of the airline. But again that is my personal experience, we won't get into SQ, we can save that for another post.

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Sun Jun 02, 2002 8:01 am

Knowing SR 103, he does enjoy NW, but he enjoys other carriers better. I've only had one flight on NW (as per my trip report), but given the good treatment, I do look forward to future NW trips. I agree with SR 103 on the nice NW crews, but their in-flight service is not to par with the other carriers. Nice trip report, considering I would like to credit myself for the editing...... Smile
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:51 am

I enjoyed the report SR103. I was glad to see something about Kuwait finally, because I had never been able to find information about it. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/48890/4/
I asked this before and not many people had been there. Why did you go to Kuwait if you don't mind me asking? I am hoping to be there within the next couple months. There are no pictures on here from the airport there, so hopefully you can get some while you are there, maybe even an airport overview or terminal shots  Big thumbs up I hope you post more information when you come back. Thanks- Kevin
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Vulindela

Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:25 pm

phatfarmlines,

LOL


Vulindela,

Glad you enjoyed the trip report.

Regarding Kuwait. First of, I don't mind you asking. My parents moved here after I graduated from High School in Germany as my dad got a really good job opportunity. Thats the reason I come, just to visit my parents. Question to you, why you going there yourself?

Reagrding you never seeing a trip report about Kuwait, I wrote a Kuwait Airways trip report in January. Here is the link http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/16280/6/

As far as I know, pictures are not allowed at the airport. That may be the reason you don't see any pictures of Kuwait. I would rather not try to mess with the law while I am here being a non-resident I could get in trouble. Though I will tell you one thing, I managed to get an internship with British Airways over here in Kuwait this summer. If you give me some time I might be able to get some stuff for you.

Regarding the International traffic. Here is quick overview:
7X BA 772 to London Heathrow
4X KL 763 to Amsterdam
3X LH 343 to Frankfurt
3X TG 333 to Bangkok via Dubai
2X OA 734 to Athens via Dubai

Otherwise you got the Air India, Indian Airlines, Qatar, Emirates, Gulf Air, MEA and Kuwait Airways.

If you have any more questions go right ahead, I'll try and answer them the best I can. Thanks,

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:55 am

SR103-
I expect to be going because I am in the army and my unit sends people there all the time. I have been volunteering to go for the last 7 months and my time is coming soon Big grin I wouldn't want you to get arrested just for some pictures, but I do love the Arab airlines and airports so do what you can  Big thumbs up
Thanks, Kevin
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:16 pm

SR 103,

Good trip report. Very detailed and informative.

Nice to see a bunch of Riddle guys posting in here. I'm glad I didn't stay for summer A, someone said it was 100 F yesterday!!!!

RL757PVD,
Are you doing Summer A and Summer B?

TB
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:47 am

Hey turbine beaver... Yea im A Biz major at ERAU.. im taking BA210 and BA 408 this summer, then I just started as a student assistant for the Biz dept, and then in summer B in addition to that ill be givign the 10am tour every morning, i may end up taking 1 class, but im not sure yet.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:33 pm

Aaaaaah,

As long as you don't get Dr. Castorina for any of your biz classes, you're set. I've had her for EC 200 and BA201 (low level, Aero Sci biz courses) and she is TERRIBLE. HORRIBLE. So bad that I stopped going to class and still got A's and B's on all the tests.  Insane

I considered doing Summer A, but since I had done Summer B last summer, it was too long, by April, I was ready for a break from school.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Wed Jun 05, 2002 4:15 pm

SR103,

I have to agree with you that SQ crew will spell the decline of the airline. They have got the right inflight infrastructure, what with great IFE, seats (except the 772ER) etc. But the standard of service in Y class is now no longer among the best.

I may decide to resist flying SQ unless I am flying on their First or Business Class if my next long haul flight on them is just as bad. Otherwise, I can find better Y class service on any other Asian carrier such as CX. (Ryanair, I did not mention MH because my recent experience with them had been on very short sectors. The last medium range flight I took with them was KUL-HKG some years back, and frankly I found the service to be inconsistent and a little disorganised. Maybe I should try them out on a long haul flight one of these days. Wanna sponsor me?) ;-P



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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:34 pm

On my NW flights last month in coach class I did get the whole can.



If I didn't I'd have been pissed off paying four dollars for the beer and all.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:29 pm

Puerto Rico's great, very hot but still a thousand times better than Daytona.
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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri Jun 07, 2002 8:21 pm

TurbineBeaver,

I had Dr. Castorina for MicroEco in Fall 01. I warned all my freinds about her and took the other teacher for BA 201 on purpose for Spring 02. You are right, you don't have to go to class to get an A, just show up for the test and guess your way to a an A.

SQ772,

Its kind of sad when you think about it. An airline that used to be the best going down hill so fast because of one thing.

Chepos,

I know what you mean, it doesn't take much to be better than Daytona!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Fri Jun 07, 2002 10:45 pm

Chepos,

I hope Puerto Rico is GOOD. There are sh*tholes towns that are better then Daytona, so give PR a better compliment...haha. And hey, you've probably got *girls* in PR (girls...huh..what are they?) and you don't have to put up with the Riddle b*tches.

 Big thumbs up

TB

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RE: NW & KL Orlando-Kuwait

Sun Jun 09, 2002 11:53 am

Great post, makes me want to fly KLM now.

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